RyantheFett

Think they will use the old 4 reveals in the past reveal. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/10/14/warhammer-day-preview-the-kingdom-of-bretonnia-revealed/ Hope I am wrong, but I don't think they will put the new knights in that kit.

So that means the 4 in the Bretonnia box should be the Men-at-Arms, archers, Knights of the Realm, and Pegasus Knights? Would explain the Warhammer Day Preview and match pretty well with what we got in Tomb Kings. Also means the 4 returning models for Tomb Kings are in there. Which means we only have 3 or 4 left to get revealed. One new duel unit and a few more resin heroes.

Wish the back was better cant tell what is what. What units are coming in there? I see 1 infantry, 2 cav, and 2 chariot........... but that does not seem right???

I could also see Grail Knights being glass cannons that rely on their massive charge range to keep out of range of the most dangerous stuff. The other knight versions may be more balanced and have better defense to handle range attacks?

My favorite interaction was when I told a friend I am using these Vigilors as Judicators and Liberators as Sequitors. He had a blank expression, said he had no idea what I was talking about, and how they all looked the same. It was at that point that I felt that SCE have way too much stuff that should be combined, other factions should get some more love,............................... and to proxy a lot more lol!

And yet AoS is 10x better than 40k when it comes to giving love to all the factions. Like even the other human factions are treated as an afterthought most of the time. 10ed seems to have gotten a bit better by copying the AoS approach of every faction at least gets one thing when their book comes out.

Lol nope. Think a few editions ago, but don't quote me on that. Same like Cities losing their ability to take other Order factions in their new book. Get it from a balance side for both games, but still sort of sucks that both factions lose some of their flavor.

Found the article and the exact wording is: "Alongside these new and returning kits which form the bulk (or entirety) of your force, there will also be a selection of returning metal heroes and specialist units that will be available to order direct from games-workshop.com. " So I am guessing Grail Knights, Questing knights, and the Green Knight will most likely be options, but just the really old stuff with no updates. The Duke on Pegasus may take the place of the King, but ya a lot of questions for stuff that will be coming out soon.

100% I like to bring Tau up a lot since they act like a very good warning/reminder for AoS players about the horrors of what could come from GW. Especially when it comes to some of the changes to Cities of Sigmar which feels like them repeating a lot of their past mistakes. Tau as a faction is just wasted potential in both the lore and on the table. GW has flip-flopped on their lore and has done very little to advance their story for years. Their other races in the empire have little to no representation despite the fanbase begging them for years. Of course the rumors of new Kroot and Vespids give me hope that they are slowly listening to the fans and we will get lots of dwarfs and elves in future Cities waves. As well as slowly fixing the issues we still see in both AoS and 40k.

My first Sigmar faction was Lumineth and my first 40k was Tau......................... maybe I am the problem?

Seeing a lot of Tau hate here which makes no sense, but I guess that happens when nobody showed them the greater good. I feel like we should channel that hate into something more deserving. Like hating on Space Marines and their monthly releases.... Also new kroot and vespids let's gooooo!!!!

Grail Knights sort of makes sense since Bretonnia need an elite unit and they have shown most of the generic stuff and the heroes. They should also have a lot of rules that cover most of the game mechanics. Still wonder if they will cut out questing knights and Knights Errant to make it easier to understand (they look so close lol). Still its sort of crazy how little we know about the game this late before release. Like will/when GW release these old models, how many old models are going to be sold, how much they will cost, and will they ever redo other units? Still think that GW is setting up the game to fail, but who knows? On the bright side, I accidentally ordered some Etsy Grail Knights by mistake (like I said really hard to tell them apart lol) so win for me!!!

Really hate that the question for non human stuff for Cities is just in limbo until the next book comes out........... I still take it that they wanted Cities to be closer to the mostly human normal/boring faction, but I like to think they have listened to the feedback and will go with some crazy ideas with spider tanks, dwarf fortress, and elf pirates stuff!

I would say pretty good chance they will get an upgrade. If you look at everything that was taken out for the humans most got a decent replacement in some way or form. Only the Freeguild outriders and greatswords seemed to have missed out on a upgrade. They will clearly have a wave 2 (and maybe 3) of the magic half and the religious half of the faction coming.................. Also a new tank lol. Expect the rest of the old Empire stuff to get removed at that point.

I am sure Kislev and Cathay are still somewhere down the line. GW works in years and right now the main focus is on the two starting factions. They should get some love at some point............ unless the game does not do well lol. And I am still confused by so many decisions GW has made with this game. We really need to see the prices of all the old stuff and what is going to be in that starter box. Get the feeling Esty sellers and anyone with a 3D printer is going to be making bank.

I think a bigger problem for double turns is that GW have a lot of rules and factions that punish players crazy hard if they lose that roll. Thinking of certain factions like LRL and Cities that if they fail to get certain spells off and then lose the Priority Roll then its just game over lol. Throw in how punishing it could be for new players who don't know how to counter it. Will be interesting to see what 4.0 decides to do to with it. Between the Cities 3 inch giving order rule and the new look out sir rule it makes me think they will just attach heroes to units in 4.0. Feels like the game is halfway there already. Of course I am tired of most of my armies being stuck in a bubble and like that in 40k units attached with heroes can do their own thing.

I'm guessing they will repeat the Bretonnia route. Several new solos and one big new unit. The fact that Knights of the Realm did not get an update I think is a sign that most of everything will stay old. Would like to be wrong tho! For me a bigger thing would be the price of it. I want to start with Bretonnia, but those men at arms and archers are ancient and come in groups of 30. GW would have to price they crazy low to temp me to buy them over Etsy options (which are better quality and cheaper). I could easily see GW pricing them crazy high and just do that across the board for all their old models. Would be insane to think that those skeletons would be more expensive then newer AoS stuff. Personally I have been slow buying Etsy stuff to make sure their quality is good enough for a replacement. Still hoping that all the old ****** units are thrown together for the starter box and priced close to how well Leviathan was.........

Also has the exact Votann cybernetic hand. Find it pretty funny how some Rumor Engines nobody can figure out while others are almost a joke with how easy they are lol.

Man I wish. That's never going to happen unless they go through another cataclysmic revamp of one of their systems. 10th edition 40k was a huge shift, and they stood their ground on the "I-go, you-go" design. I think it's too intrinsic to how Warhammer has always been played, and GW has always been a bit stubborn with their rules writing. Maybe in 5-10 years? 40k 10th was them copying all the best aspects of AoS 3.0. Will be very interesting to see if they just repeat the process or if AoS is the game where they like to try to experiment with the rules. My guess it will be more of the former with the biggest change being towards getting rid of the spell phase. Would be cool if they did try changing up activation, but ya can't see it happening.

Oh my bad, the models look pretty great if a little on the larger side. I meant the rules always seem so trash when it comes to units from other games. I still don't understand how GW never thinks to make them crazy good to sell more.

Checking the app and the Cursed City models were carried over. They all look like trash rules wise (maybe the healing priest could be ok?), but it is still cool that they are included lol. I always wondered why so many of the cross game units are so bad. You would think they would make them top tier in order to sell more???

Lol my first first thought was Tau as well, but maybe because I main them as well. Next wave seems to be a lot of kroot so woooo they will finally give what the community was begging for for years lol! Makes me wonder if GW is doing the same with making Cities the new Tau. See people already upset by the lack of diversity and a lot of influencers joking about how racist the faction is now lol.

Lol no way that is a Tau weapon with the caste symbols on it.............Can it? (Quick google search) OH SNAP!!!!!! OH SNAP!!!!! Makes me wonder if every faction for 10ed will be getting several models since we for sure have some kroot. Wonder if new Age of Sigmar will up the new unit count for every faction?

They have like 5 or 6 rumors that seem like kroot, which seems like a lot. My top guess is that the krootox will turn into a large calvary unit? Would explain the bows and guns we have seen so far. All three other kroot units got a refresh from the kill team box as well, so it could be new units as well! Valrak has been throwing out vespids for the next round of kill team...... so maybe!!!!

I would love GW to really go all in on the coalition of races, but everything done so far does not look good. From the new lore about the other races (especially the bit about the dark elves being getting kicked for their evil actions), much darker tone, the removal of two elf races without more then a few words, and even the new overall look it seems that GW pushed the faction closer to an Imperium 2.0. Love to be wrong and we get a dwarf and elf wave in the future, but I have slowly come to accept it will be years before we have a real answer either way.