Snorri Nelriksson

Well better soup than dead...but. One of the most important things in warhammer is always army identity though. If they want to make "bigger alliances" let's go back to GA books and stop at it, the result would be the same: armies with many incoherent styles in them. I accept that GW could not sustain 30+ armies (and i agree that we have too many allegiances), BUT there's room to improve the thing. They want to soup dwarves?OK, then put dispossessed 2.0 and Fyreslayers together remaking some of the models to better fits, let's unite DOK and Corsair and Malerion's, trim the fat of Cities taking away every non human factions and create new non-human and human units as auxiliaries giving a new aos aesthetic and not let them be "whfb leftovers", same for warclans bridge the gap between the two halves with some "basic orruks". The irony imho is that for soup tomes you actually need more units to bridge the aesthetic gap. Also i don't think that GW will start adressing the army problem with wider ranges, in fact i'd say that they still do'nt know what to do: Slaanesh like every chaos god army got both demon and mortal part because is "chaos", Lumineth are the second native aos army with two waves (third if we count Slaanesh in some form), the Soulblight are like LON a soup with little differences from the past of whfb. And if the rumors are true Kroolboyz are part of warclans but maybe they also have something other than orruks like "gloomspite" containing various greenskinz. IDK i think the designer still do'nt know what to do.....or maybe they're biding their time for some big change. I'm not against the concept of soup but it should be done better IF done.

*grumbles in Dawi Zharr language* Hobgoblins can only be slaves not masters *grumble*...

If these Kruel Boyz are an hodgepodge of greenies perhaps we'll see some new kits for fellwater troggots wirh the hag option. Or a new size of fellwater like the dankhold,perhaps even making it usable by the troggoth allegiance.

The problem is that Gw changed army design many times in the same edition so we're in a mess (the list i'm writing is not chronological). Aos started with micro-micro faction like the stormcast chamber, then new "mini armies"(Fyre and IJ), then legacy armies splitted and/or augmented (Sylvaneth,pestilens,Dok), then medium new armies (Ko,Bonereapers,idoneth) , placeholder soups (Lon and cities), legacy augmented armies with soup added(Gloomspite that got new things like a proper wave but got two other microfactions attached), re-unified splitted microfactions as the old whfb tome (mawtribes/skaven),new aos native "Big army"(Lumineth,Stormcast) and the last piece is just the old whfb army with something less(Soulblight that lost some things of Lon and Fec but got new characters). There's still the great "mystery" about how Cos will evolve, probably they'll axe some more models like the high elves before Lumineth (or put them in some other new army ,like corsairs in Dok). Souping will be different if done for factions that should never have been splitted like skaven clans or between aos native armies (idoneth and lumineth for example).Also it should be noted that GA matters, as some GA are bigger than others. If Gw wants to soup they'll do of course but needs to do in a logical way. Also idk if Tow will change some ideas, mostly Cos as i think they'll maybe will aosify it aesthetically speaking.

Interesting the hodgepodge mash of greenskins though. We already know there are 3 icons but here's seems to imply they are not only "morruk" andhobgobs... In a frame there's something similar to a grots in the background with a "strange weapon".

@CommissarRotkemaybe lord Somehing-venator as it means hunter?

It's just me or does it seems the skull has a stitched leather ballon under?

What? Could you link the rumors ? Still i think is just wishlistings after the underworld warband.

They should return for the cities imho.

Ko clashes really much more than the old classic dwarves with Fyreslayers The "steampunk" element in the old dwarves was really toned down if not absent (mostly latest things like the new gyrocopter and the last models of engineers like Damnison, empires got more steampunk styled things).

Because souping armies that were united is different from doing with aos native armies. And to be honest Fec are more interesting as their thing than like the old Vampire counts army for example,their new background gives more room to improvement than the old Strigoi imho. Same for Nighthaunt that got a whole new background and aesthetic. Though i know Gw cannot mantains too much armies modelwise.

Skaven are a "unified" army, a subfaction of Skryre that just use airships would be strange without nothing for Eshin and Moulder. They already ditched the idea of clans battletomes so i really doubt. But some units are possible, if not probable.

To be honest, it was just a quick recap, the book wll have tons of new info. Still the fate of excelsis is a big spoiler itself.

@Verminlord

Joining the kharadron is never a mistake though XD. Still if grotbag are coming and they'll take some elements fron the old greenskins warmachine probably i'll bite that cake too.

The yesterday one seemed more having a staff though.

Well technically destruction is on the rise in the 3rd edition so it makes sense that BR does not cover them up enough. On the Grungni part:i don't get if the return of Grungni they talk about is the reunion with sigmar or they means that Gromthi was his return. Still the whole fyreslayers and Kharadron cooperating seems more something about the plotline of the duardrazhal and the idea of getting back the karaks.

Who said otherwise?

Well destruction being ignored at least gives hope for some waves incoming other than these Morruks.

FW did some nice sculpts for hats considering the heroes and some warmachine's crew, updating the idea but still having top hats. The infernal guard was a bit "too plaon" but the lore idea of a "reverse slayer" situation that makes them still fighting for the citadel while still making a vow that respect the idea of dwarvish honor is great. Also being a "special city" type of army the Azgorh one leaves the main component of the dawi zharr armies undisclosed(save for things like Bull-centaurs). Still i prefer the vull centaur of the first FW artworks,more dwarvish and less bull.

@KingBroddthe nice thing about the Ogre of Cursed City is that he's based on the pre-6th edition ones, the classic gw idea before the whole mongolian spin. I'm starting to think they want to get back some "Oldhammer" style to some new niniatures considering what we've seen of these "Morruks'. About the boxes:a bit angry that KO did'nt get one still probably they would have put the usual ballon boys+gunhauler combo...i still hate that half the boxes did'nt have arkanauts.

It does seems vaguely similar to one of the three icon of the newsletter.

I admit, i don't like the idea but judging by the reaction it will be so. Probably i'm biased against cause seems a bad idea to me, warclans already have too "much thing" a third faction could diminish the expansion of this new idea. I'd hope we'll see also something about the three headed icon of the newsletter mail though.

Probably their aesthetic and uniqueness (after the fact they are dwarfs). The idea of mesopotamian\iranian chaos dwarves seems "original enough" without just playing on the old "duergar" fantasy trope. Still they play on the dwarf worst traits and exaggerate further, without seeming just evils , with their added quirks and things like the whole Hashut cult (that seems really different from other chaos gods). Also their story is interesting as they continued with the dwarven mindset but tried to avert their doom with a pact forged in damnation. There was an interesting quote in the Wrfp 2nd edition tome of corruption: "Where was Grimnir when our warriors were dying? Where was Valaya when our children sickened? When we called out for aid in the deep places where we delved, it was not Grungni who answered our call, but mighty Hashut who delivered us in our time of need. Who are the real traitors here? Our kin who abandoned us to madness and death or we who only sought to survive against the forces of Chaos? One day there will be a reckoning and it will be the Sons of the Father of Darkness who will have the victory, not the weak willed spawn of the pathetic Ancestor Gods."

Or they just shares keywords and have somer sort of orruk specifical units that could be taken in Big Waagh. It seems strange starting an edition with something new but fused in an old battletome.