Sinfullyvannila
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1 hour ago, The World Tree said:
How the hell do we kill things with this army (Except Archaon)? Warriors not having rend is... odd
They have Rend on Great Weapons.
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The Dark Artisan has a New Tzeentch vs OBR battle report up.
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3 hours ago, Dreadmund said:
Fold Reality seems especially good on Horrors. Return slain Pink horrors, giving the unit another 5 wounds per model returned. Even with 6+/6+ saves, that tarpit is going to be a nightmare to shift for most armies. Battleshock immunity is going to be very important to Horror heavy lists going forward. Definitely worth keeping a command point handy.
I wouldn’t use it on Horrors. You don’t get the fate points for when you accidentally yeet your own unit anymore. Now when you roll a 1 it just does your opponents work for you.
Do Lifeswarm instead IMO.
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44 minutes ago, Forrix said:
Anybody have a link to the new Tzaangor Warscroll? I've got two boxes of them I want to build but I'm assuming it changed.
You have to allocate wounds to the models with shields to benefit from the FnP again. No more just putting one shield in the unit.
I’d probably Suggest you just fill up on Savage Greatblades and Mutants and give the rest Shields. I usually only end up getting 2 of the normies into a combat with a 20+ blob anyway, since the specials are the priority.
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8 minutes ago, AverageBoss said:
Hmm, now that they can just have the Tzeentch keyword, I wonder how a unit of Varanguard would do in DoT as an alternative shock unit to Enlightened and the like.
You really need the +1damage from Host of the Everchosen for them to shine.
9 minutes ago, AverageBoss said:Bray Shaman, you can make use of the BoC endless spells.
Bray Shaman is an excellent choice for ally in a Tzaangor Heavy list, even without the benefits of allegiance abilities.
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1 hour ago, GeneralZero said:
Question about Gaunt: is the one on disc a StD exclusive and the foot one a DoT exclusive? WtF did GW smoke? (Same wtf reaction for mutalith not being in the battletome!!! grrrrr)
It should not be exclusive as anything with the TZEENTCH keyword before the game(and incidentally Marks of Chaos count as before the game) should be fair game. At least It DOES lack the ARCANITE keyword though.
15 Chaos Warrior make an excellent tarpit/objective holder. The problem is that right now we don’t know how their Chaos Runeshield interact with other weapons since you can now mix their weapon options. They are also expensive AF point wise.
I’m also going to be trying just the one Pinks from the Summoner. I used to just do two of them an a Gaunt for my staples, but other options seem comfortably worth the points now; an while I think they are still insanely good, they aren’t as strong as they used to be.
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8 minutes ago, Prometheo567 said:
Now that we are on a shopping spree, do you need a Tzeentch player should purchase the Beasts of Chaos and/or Slaves to Darkness battletomes? I mean if I intend to play as Allegiance:Tzeentch, of course. Any specific warscrolls or elegible lores that are only present there? Would you consider their Endless Spells (usable by tzaangor shamen and StD sorcerers I guess) to be usable?
Sorry if it is a stupid or already asked question.It’s not necessary if you use the warscroll app. And yes, the Taurus and the Darkfire Daemonrift are much better than anything out of our box.
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10 hours ago, GlitzFan said:15 hours ago, Blisterfeet said:
I didnt think you could miz and match weapons for varangaurd. Am I missing something?
10 hours ago, Blisterfeet said:I am just going off what the app and warscroll builder allows me to do. If this isn't the case I think I would do one unit of fellspears and one unit of ensorcelled weapons and then make sure to target priorities appropriately.
Marauders, Knights, Warriors and Varanguard all can mix weapons:
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/8f9bd00c.pdf
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8 hours ago, GeneralZero said:
Reading you guys, DoT seems to favor the daemons more than the mortals. But until I read the book, I'm confident that a tzaangors army can do some nice things. That is what I'm aiming to (especially also because I like the mini AND I can play them in 40K TS).
Now, another way to answer the firts question: "Do you guys think that T part of new box will be good starter for new T player?" I just have for DoT some daemons princes, a LoC and 60 tzaangors. What did I do yesterday? Order 3 (yes three) aether war boxes. Do some math: the DoT half is 54€, sell just one hero (easy at 25€) and you are at 54*3-25 = 137 (or even 112 if sell 2 heros). For 112eur you have 1 good hero (can be magnetized on foot or on disc!), 18 enlighten/skyfire and 9 screamer! that is just awesome. Just complete it with one or two SC and/or a LoC, you have an army more than bad. This is a super cheap way of starting armies, and I like that. Same goes for KO. And you know what? seeing how good the KO part is (especially the superb hero) you can sell the KO half even higher making your DoT even cheaper.
PS: remember also that you got some nice hero (multi build on disc/chariot/foot) in the SC and you can even kitshat a bit some tzangoors on disc to make a shaman on disc!!
It’s actually entirely the unit composition that you get with the SC boxes. You get 1 battleline and 2 conditional battleline units, then 2 different options for a Leader unit, and all the support you need for your Flamers other than the Burning Head endless spell. You have all the models you need for a really solid 1k list.
The Aether War box is just a bunch of units that look cool and have no synergy and no battleline choices. So you’re spending at least 80 more dollars(Kairic Acolytes and a Tzaangor Shaman) to get a playable list, probably and probably another 160(2 Tzaangors and 2 boxes of spawns to actually take advantage of the Magister ) to make a solid list.
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I don’t play KO yet, but I’m interested in a mixed dwarf army. How is the Sky City that lets you bring In Duardin from other factions? What kind of restrictions and disadvantages do the non-KO units suffer.
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2 hours ago, Gwendar said:
@mmimzie I had thought of the Skimmer, but ultimately decided against it.. as for BS, I try to include a CP when possible (I mean, I main Skaven so I'm used to being afraid of BS rolls 😉) but I think it could still work as I can simply deploy against T1 charges. Getting an extra CP on a 4+ isn't terrible either, but obviously not reliable.
Speaking of Summoners Guild.. threw something together quickly. Wholly un-optimized but may get some people more experienced with Tzeentch thinking:Allegiance: Tzeentch
Host: The Guild of Summoners
Leaders
Gaunt Summoner of Tzeentch (240)
- General
- Trait: Prophet of the Ostensible (Forced trait, 4+ CP gain)
- Lore of Fate: Shield of Fate
Kairos Fateweaver (400)
- Lore of Change: Bolt of Tzeentch
The Blue Scribes (120)
- Lore of Change: Tzeentch's Firestorm
The Changeling (120)
- Lore of Change: Treason of Tzeentch
Curseling, Eye of Tzeentch (160)
- Lore of Fate: Glimpse the Future
Magister on Disc of Tzeentch (140)
- Artefact: Brimstone Familiar (Forced artifact, no BS wholly within 12")
- Lore of Fate: Arcane Suggestion
Battleline
10 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (200)
10 x Pink Horrors of Tzeentch (200)
10 x Kairic Acolytes (100)
Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Umbral Spellportal (70)
Aethervoid Pendulum (50)
Balewind Vortex (40)
Geminids of Uhl-Gysh (60)
Purple Sun of Shyish (50)
Prismatic Palisade (30)
Suffocating Gravetide (20)
Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 69Gaunt because he can still summon in more Pinks for free even in Summoners. Assuming all goes well, you have enough casts here to get 2 LoC's by T2\3. Probably not the most competitive so I would do this more for fun obviously, but hey... 2-3 LoC's on the table with Kairos is nice to look at.
I would do the Darkfire Daemonrift instead of the Pendulum if you have it.
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54 minutes ago, Nizrah said:
Do you guys think that T part of new box will be good starter for new T player?
50 minutes ago, Hebroseph said:Nope, not really. It only has one battle line unit (conditionally) in the screamers, and the Enlightened are decent, but expensive for beginner games.
Just on its own; no. But it along with a box of acolytes would be pretty decent.
2 Start Collectings boxes are the way to go though. Gotta unfortunately buy 4 boxes of blues and brims to take advantage of Pinks. Because Tzeentch hates your wallet.
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22 minutes ago, AverageBoss said:
So are burning chariots still considered bad? I have not seen anyone really talk about them at all. Have 2 that have been gathering dust since I got them sadly.
I don’t know about BCs, but Exalted Flamers are good for buffing other flamers. So worst case; scenario you could take them off your chariots.
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1 hour ago, Jaskier said:
From what I could make out from a blurry picture, the Pink Horrors' spell gives them +1 to-hit with all their attacks.
Yeah the Changeling seems like a no-brainer if you want an efficient wizard choice, it's 10 points more than a Changecaster (Herald on foot) for a guaranteed extra cast and unbind each turn, regardless of whether you use its' other special rules. Fateweaver being a 3 cast/unbind Lord of Change with a spell that does flat 6 mortal wounds at the top bracket (and some various other buffs, i.e. the free auto-dispel, boosted combat stats, etc) with the offset of not manipulating any dice roll you want seems like an overall buff, right? 400 points is steep but I'm certainly considering running it whereas before I had next to zero interest.Changeling deepstrikes too, right? So you can save deepstriking him until you have enough Fate Points to summon something else and use him to summon in enemy territory.
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All of those synergies with Flamers don’t require them all to be in the same unit, correct?
Adding to that, while they are relatively fragile they are excellent candidates for Fold Reality.
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Ahh, yeah, FnP helps. Wasn’t aware of that. I wouldn’t use Fold on them; I’d bring in Emerald Lifeswarm.
I still think we lose out a lot on the loss of deepstriking our splits though; and keeping track of their points was trivial.
Like i said before though, still eminently usable, just not as good as they were before because they were absolutely insane before. I think 2 units are still definitely sufficient for the objective game, I’m going to try going down to 1 though; at least to see what the other units bring to the table.
I don’t mind that LoC only has 2 casts. I’m probably only going to summon him in guild of Summoners, and pay the points for Kairos.
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33 minutes ago, Neffelo said:
You have to remove all the pinks before you can start removing Blues and Brimstones.
Well at least they didn’t botch the streamlining.
Locus of Change on them is kinda overshadowing that Pinks have a 1 increment worse save than before. I mean, the -1 hit IS better, but not that much.
They’re definitely still above playable, because they were absurdly good before; but people are super over hyping this iteration of them.
I’m actually pretty happy about the book overall. I was sick of Horror spamming, now I feel like I can do with just the one unit from the Gaunt Summoner. All the units I wanted buffed were buffed well and got a couple pleasant surprises(100 point Magisters). So at least I can get use out of the 40% of the collection I own.
Only real disappointments are the Screamers, who are still better than before, and the Endless Spells.
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4 minutes ago, PONCHOGRANDE said:
Tzeentch marked Chaos Marauders might be worth looking into now, as they’re almost guaranteed to activate Reckless Abandon on the charge with Boundless Ferocity. With a Fatemaster in the middle of them for rerolls they could provide a solid first strike at a fairly reasonable price. Saves us from spending Destiny Dice on activating it at the very least.
Enlightened on Disks with a Destiny Dice support might still be the better users of Reckless Abandon even with the point increase though.
I think Tzaangors are hands down the best in the “Transformy” chamber. They got a lot of resilience with all the conversions you get.
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Ugh that’s a massive nerf to pinks. We don’t gain anything from the split and raged combat is ineffective on a tarp it.
Locus is gonna be hard AF to keep all those models in.
We can’t deepstrike our splits anymore, and we lost our best spell lore/endless spell casters.
Never gonna pay points for them. Just gonna run 1 or 2 Gaunts to get my tarpit.
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7 hours ago, JackStreicher said:
I figured as much... I guess I might ally the new Tzeentch hero on disc (so I can block enemy units by summoning a spawn into combat range). Yet a gaunt summoner seems the way to go.
The new Tzeentch endless spell Tome of Eyes would be pretty useful. You get to reroll casting rolls and it’s an auto-pass on snake eyes or boxcars.
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3 minutes ago, Maximum said:
Fantastic, counting the ones I have, plus the ones in the new pack, I have 24 useless tzaangor on disk. 😢
They still hit just as hard as they used to, you just can’t bring them back with Fold Reality anymore, which was never a guarantee in the first place.
You know these guys do get used in BoC without that, right?
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4 minutes ago, Malakithe said:
Anyone see if/how the Ogroid spell changed?
Don’t think it did.
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40 minutes ago, Neffelo said:
Is it worth taking over the Gaunt Summoner though, with the 10 free pinks though? Taking both is so expensive so I think we have to choose one.
Yeah I think so. Some of our other heroes got much cheaper(Scribes, Magisters, Heralds and Ogroid and Shaman got marginally cheaper). So it’s probably just pre-epmting the LoC, which you can get if you do Guild of Summoners, or Kairos.
We probably won’t need Cogs in our lists anymore Gaunts can now be our “cheap” extra casts. We just have to use Acolytes for our battleline now instead, and they are actually worth it at 100 now.
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2 hours ago, MitGas said:
It's sad that we don't get good synergy with S2D units but maybe there's some nice thing in there. Cause we're still squishy and our killer units are now nerfed.
Sorcerer on Manticore replaced Gaunt Summoner as our Horde Clearer now.
AoS 2 - Disciples of Tzeentch Discussion
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I think the 50 points is a hard sell, especially considering that CPs are now critical in a Daemon army beyond Beacon of sorcery; but you are underselling them. They get their Wake of Fire on 2+ for D3 mortal wounds and they have an improved melee profile against monsters. I think what you’re supposed to do with them is fly over a leader and their covering units and hit them with your ranged weapon without suffering from Look out Sir! and finish also finish off monster units that had been softened up.