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A combat patrol “fixed list” game mode for AoS could only be a good thing imo
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10 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:
Verminlords are Greater Demons of the Horned Rat, so same tier as Bloodthirsters/Lords of Change etc. A true Avatar of the Horned Rat would be on a different power level.
Not necessarily. In WHFB Valten was avatar of Sigmar and he was powerful but human sized.
Not saying there’s any metaphysical continuity about this sort of thing but an avatar of the horned rat could well be something more… nascent than a verminlord. Smaller, more like a prophet or living saint. Even if we think of 40k, the avatar of Ynnead is way smaller than that of Khainite.
tbh something absolutely huge would also be out of character for an edition starter set. You have big minis like the screamer-killer in Leviathan but can’t think of anything greater daemon size or larger. Those tend to get separate releases, like the stormcast dragons or the tyranid norn-beasts.
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17 minutes ago, pitzok said:
This is very off topic rn but has anyone considered the leaked graverobber warband to be FEC? It would make sense right?
You must be mistaken sirrah, robbing graves is far too base and vulgar an activity for the noble followers of the Summerking!
(I don’t think it fits the FEC’s redoubled theme of delusion though there’s no super-obvious faction. Could be a classic necromancer, though we kind of have that relatively recently with the galvanic undead. Could be anti-undead CoS humans or even kharadron looters.)
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Just now, Hollow said:
I think those current models will stay in AoS and the older models will be brought back to represent those models in ToW.
As they seem to be doing with stone trolls, and with base sizes for the treeman intended to accommodate the current WHFB/AoS treelord and older versions.
Which suggests that GW actually doesn’t have any particular problem with AoS minis, whether new or dating to WHFB, also being used in TOW. Which then suggests that there isn’t such a frantic driving need on GW’s part to get rid of beastmen in AoS (either outright or with a replacement) and shift their entire range to TOW.
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1 minute ago, Hollow said:
Not dropped. MOVED to ToW or replaced with AoS varients. That's my bet.
You think that squig hoppers, fanatics and mangler squigs will be moved to ToW?
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14 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:
Just checked GMGs video and it has multiple base sizes listed (50x50 and 50x75), so it seems they're leaving up to the player which model they want to use.
Granted, that did stand out in the base size list from facebook too. Also accommodates the chunky old no-neck-just-torso dude from pre-6th ed and, if anything, makes the question of ‘official TOW minis’ a bit moot.
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18 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
I think the treelord has been confirmed that it was the old one.
Has it? I could see it being one of the ‘oddities’ that was mentioned in the WHC article from the other day but iirc the idea that the treeman will be the old 6th ed metal mini is still based on a single photo published on WHC ages ago.
EDIT: if this has come out from the various review videos, fair enough, and the base sizes list did include a few different options for treemen, which I thought was to accommodate different legacy minis people might have.
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3 hours ago, Malakithe said:
Ive been saying this for a while. If the studio didnt take a chunk of its resources to dedicate to warcray and underworlds then mainline AoS would probably be in a more advanced state then it is now.
This is exactly what some 40k players say about the studio wasting resources on AoS instead of advancing 40k. Or what has been said about how whole factions should be squatted because they’re pulling resources away from space marines.
It’s a race to the bottom, as an argument, and is meaningfully distinct from discussions about range age and prioritisation.
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Tbh the whole ‘GW tournament official’ mindset that some folks internalise has always been poison. For modelling, for painting, for rules, for general game interest and basic absolute to interact with others.
Tournaments are fun but when a hyperliteral obsessive mindset arises that gets people to force themselves and others into boxes, it’s just awful.
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1 hour ago, Snarff said:
I really wonder how they're going to do Chaos Duardin without taking too much design space or having too much overlap with FS and KO.
FS obviously have fire as one of their defining features. They have lava elementals, Magmadroths, flaming weaponry and a lot of orange colours baked into the faction. KO have their own spin on industry, and apparently have some golem-like exoskeletons.
I wonded how Chaos Duardin are going to be distinct from them. I hope they get a new spin to them (Ulgu/shadow demons maybe?) and that the 3 factions don't have to compete over limited design space.
I’m wondering this too but I think it’s probably doable? FS are still very much naked berserkers, powerful heroes and a few big monsters. All very ‘heroic individuals going super-saiyan through runes’
By rights, Chaos Dwarfs prob should be more about blocks of armoured infantry, powerful warmachines, and non-dwarf chaff auxiliaries.
That’s broad faction archetype of course but I still think there’s room for more or less the classic WHFB dawi zharr vibes of grinding industrialisation, high technology, and brutal sacrifice to Molech to stand without too much overlap with FS or KO. If anything, that background would be kind of close to the Ossiarchs in a few ways.
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Holy moly, never thought I’d see an official GW article about converting unit filler dioramas.
I recall back in the day some of the serious grogs on Portent/Warseer being obsessively angry about folks making these because it means you’re not paying enough for your regiments!
Really excited about these oddities and unreleased models too. Fingers crossed it’ll mean this mysterious dwarven steam tank features.
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I feel like the way a lot of people talk about range consistency and what’s good for AoS re: older minis being squatted or dropped - particularly where that’s treated as a Good Thing Actually - is driven mostly by their own feelings and aesthetic preferences, with a view on GW’s trends and motivations coming second as a sort of thin justification.
And I think that those feelings and aesthetic preferences tend to have a strong vibe of “my peas and mashed potatoes should never touch!”
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Pretty sure chaos warhounds didn’t used to have a handler, did they?
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5 hours ago, Beliman said:
J. Hewitt talked about how GW doesn't throw anything away. Instead, they store all this stuff in their sacred vaults. Maybe,the spider incarnate can be repurposed/retooled to be part of something new? Time will tell.
It’s an interesting one, they do have all their old unreleased minis floating around, though tbh it’s more the FW stuff that is actually known about semi-publicly, less so main GW stuff.
The only example of a truly repurposed mini I can think of was the FW chaos dwarfs K’Daai Destroyer. Had the misfortune to be nearly finished (or maybe done and awaiting a release slot) around the AoS launch. Ended up being resculpted somewhat and released as Skaarac the great khorgoroth. Skaarac’s background even said it might be a rogue chaos dwarf creation, amusingly enough.
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1 hour ago, Davariel said:
That was my first thought on reading this too. It feels to me like the writers are trying to reconcile the different takes on Bretonnia that have existed over the years - both in terms of good versus grimdark, but also by adding avenues to take stuff like the bombards in the variant army lists.
It's not exactly the Bretonnia I fell in love with, but I'm honestly really liking what we've seen so far.
That’s a good point and shows how much things have changed.
Pre-4th ed/WFRP: more like the Empire but French, used guns and had no real mention of knights or the Lady, decadent nobility, insanely oppressed peasantry, rising middle class
4th-5th ed: shining Arthurian Disneyland where knights are perfectly noble and the peasants know their place
6th ed: grubbier knights, still noble and magical but dangerously honour-obsessed, more links to Wood Elves and the fae, very oppressed peasantry, still not really any middle class
TOW: hard to say but somewhere between 4th/5th ed and 6th ed?
Personally I don’t find the shining perfection of Arthurian Bretonnia to be interesting pretty much at all. They don’t have to be 40k in France but they really needed the bit of grubbiness that 6th ed brought. Still room for good knights but it’s not a weirdly perfect dream-feudal society out of step with the rest of WHFB.
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This discussion on different TK sources made it occur that the WHC guys/interviewed designers are, I think, quite off when they say that fans’ conception of the TK as neutral/good/whatever comes from the End Times. I think you can track this right back to the 6th ed book, where you have some background on cities (or one city explicitly) having the dead and living co-existing under an undead king, and that short piece of fiction about a tomb king remembering his loved ones and granting an Imperial explorer the ancient medical knowledge needed to save his wife.
I don’t think attributing this idea to Settra and all the meme-ified stuff about him since is accurate. That said, those anecdotes don’t change what @Sception points out about their exaggeratedly death-obsessed and conquest-focused culture, though I’d agree with @The Red King that hey, the parodic Egyptian-inspired culture being Bad and the parodic Anglo-French culture being suddenly way more purely Good than it was in 6th-8th ed is… interesting.
Wood Elves aside, it makes you wonder about lizardmen, who do the same aggressive recovering of artefacts as the TK, often much more brutally, but have generally been pegged as Good.
Still not convinced that there’s much deep meaning to this Good/Evil split beyond the publishing needs of army lists for a relaunched product but still.
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5 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:
Sprue Preview for Bretonnian Knights of the Realm On Foot and the Lord on Pegasus. Confirmation Foot Knights will come in a box of 20 and aren't dropping this week as well.
Looks like if you built the foot knights with sword and board, you could use the two-handed axes with the knights of the realm kit for some slightly non-traditional questing knights. They wouldn't be as good as the brilliant metal 6th ed. questing knights, which might have been the most characterful minis in the range, but very doable and a lot cheaper.
@The Brotherhood of Necros That whole Great Catastrophe throughline is more like 40k's War in Heaven to my mind - distant, deeply formative of the world's metaphysics, semi-mythical, only remembered by a handful of living individuals - though really the whole Horus Heresy analogy for the Great War is very rough anyway.
Otherwise the emphasis on good vs evil is a bit arbitrary, the TK aren't necessarily that much worse than your average nasty Empire lord, but tbh nothing the designers said is really wrong per se. Ultimately it's only a high level way of grouping factions, just as insignificant as when they did this grouping for, like, Storm of Chaos or the old WHFB card game.
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1 hour ago, RetconnedLegion said:
It’s to avoid another Matt Ward situation where an unpopular product leads to its designer receiving death threats.
This gets brought up by fans sometimes but there’s never been any evidence for it for artists and writers (where it’s better attributed to GW business and marketing practices), and it’s especially inaccurate for sculptors. They regularly feature interviews on WHC and in WD where folks like Maxime Pastourel talk about particular minis they’ve done and design choices they’ve made.
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RE: mercs, the regiments of renown probably run into the same issue as special characters in other ranges, namely that many of them post-date the period TOW is set in.
Not all, I think the Alcatani Fellowship for example might have lasted longer, but otherwise I suspect they’ll keep to generic units, like this ‘Border Princes Bombard’.
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1 hour ago, Tonhel said:
Before they cancelled Warhammer Forge. There were plans to make campaign books. Tamurkhan was the first book they released. I remember that for the next expansion there was art shown for a new bright wizard. It's more than a decade ago. But Warhammer forge had mini's made for it, but never released. Maybe they will be release it under TOW as resin kits?
They released some cool stuff when Warhammer forge existed.
Man the Warhammer Forge outputs were so good. I still think Lietpold the Black might have had the finest detail of any FW mini.
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4 hours ago, Ekrund Oath Splitters said:
I don't think what he is riding is part of the kroot subspecies. Doesn't have a stumpy tail, quills or an overbite beak. Most likely some exotic Xenos Lizard-dog mount. We have already seen the rumour engine for its tail, its reptilian like a kroxigor and has a bunch of boney protrusions.
I think we might still get a krootox as we still have the big kroot hand rumour engine and the twinlinked krootgun. But whatever these are, they ain't knarlocs and they ain't kroot.
Agreed that it’s not a knarloc in the sense of the old FW sculpts but bear in mind that the OG knarlocs in the kroot white dwarf list were sort of reptilian because they were converted from the old cold one minis.
Given how GW works these days, I could imagine them referring back to this, particularly given the chunky tail.
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28 minutes ago, Tonhel said:
Yes, but I will buy them, as I want more TOW releases. 😉 They stopped providing ePub battletomes for AoS, probably because of this. So it seems they don't care that it will happen with the TOW books.
I get the impression that there’s a tacit acceptance that this risk is less of an issue for Specialist Games, including TOW, because really you’re talking about a smaller playerbase. Less of an issue than a whole large tournament scene which kind of requires access to a codex or battletome so you don’t need to be as restrictive in terms of format, particularly when there’s already a degree of friction to access.
Also yay kroot.🙂
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Nekaph is brilliant, real classic Nehekharan arrogance there and a wonderful pose.
The BSB is pretty poor, overburdened with clunky OTT features on the banner, ‘soft’ detail on the body (could be the paintjob but also characteristic of the new resin king compared to the old metal one) and awkwardly posed. The old tomb herald wasn’t amazing but quite a bit better than this.
The swarms aren’t good either, lots of ‘stuff’ but still has the lumpy thickness of resin and falls down compared to basically any plastic swirly stuff done by GW in the last decade, it just isn’t as light.
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The Rumour Thread
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Daaaaamn Ushoran is creepy