JackStreicher

Imo 2x20 Grave Guards is the way to go! Wight Kings are potent. You could spawn one snd 20-30 Skeletons out of a grave to threaten the enemies backline. Or chain it: spawn the WK within 9“ of a gravesite and then spawn the skellies within 9“ of the WK. @TechnoVampire I am tinkering with every Bloodline except Avengorii (I don’t like its theme and style)

Although I had a very negative opinion on the book at first I have changed my mind. I see a lot of opportunity waiting to ne explored. If I can use my Vampires to some success I‘ll be happy (I‘ll be testing Mannfred an Belladama + Blood Knights)

He deals some damage. My biggest issue is that he can’t take the retaliation. Or you strike with him last to heal back up (if he survives)

Both: it doesn’t do a whole lot for a point cost of 320 points iirc. The one spell it has is a niche gimmick (granted its cool)

My Personal Tier List. Units appearing in two lists are considered to be somewhere in between the rankings. S Wight King (both), Grave Guards, Belladama A Vampire Lord, Torguillus, Necromancer, Skeletons, Blood Knights, Black Knights, Radukar the Beast,Vhordrai B Radukar the Beast Vhordrai, Vamp on Zombie Dragon, Bloodborn, Lauka Vai, Dire Wolves, Crimson Court, Both Mortarchs C Both Mortarchs, Zombies, the rest of the Underworld Warbands, Fell Bats, rest of the Cursed City heroes, Vargskyr, Kosargi, Radukar the Wolf, Dragon & Terrorgheist, Avengori Lord D Vargskyr, Nagash, Mortis Engine, Corpse Cart, Vargheists E The rest of the Chariots

Don’t lose hope! you can actually bully the opponent with Alpha-Strike Bloodborn. Also a Wight King + Skeletons popping out of the grave with lots of damage 1 attacks, exploding 6s and maybe +1 attack for a Vampire can catch people off guard. Sprinkle in some blood knights and tada.

🤔 waaaait a second 🤫🤫🤫🤫I love it, but if you tell the secret tech they’ll take it away from us my Kosargi finally had a glowup!🤣 now some secret tech for the Vargskyr pls

I like that one can basically have one foot hero along a big unit constantly buffing it without the need for a cp.

Care to elaborate? That's a point the new Lead Game Designer is doing really well.

Crimson Court: Can get any Subfaction Keyword? (haven't seen anything contradicting it) The same goes for Velmorn's warband?

If you tokio-drift the first line of attack then yes. Alright, I've been playing around with some list ideas. In this case: Style first, effectiveness second: to visualise this on the Table: Next step: optimise the list to make it pull its weight, maybe changing subfactions. Overall I like the style of the army. It's 91 Models == 142 wounds + 20 wounds for the summoned Dire Wolves. Edit: My main idea is a solid line of Skeletons (2x 30?) with the Wight King (x 2?) buff to make them scarier. Then some elite units that don't need to be reinforced like Blood Knights. Add some small chaff units to the army to screen or threaten. and A solid core should be done.

You are calling s.o. with a masters in informatics, game design and game & Ar/VR development a bad programmer. Sure mate. Think whatever you will raw you are wrong.

How? Kastelai Dynasty trait?

Nope. But they can trigger mortal wounds more often. with every move to be precise: Movement, clipping a unit Charge, clipping a unit Pile-In, clipping a unit retreat, clipping a unit so up to 3 times per turn per unit

Playing around with some lists there might be some damage in spamming Wight kings, Skeletons, some Black Knights, Grave Guards and maybe Blood Knights + 1 Necromancer.

actually no. It's a logics flaw. The condition is to roll a 4+. Once a single 4+ has been rolled the condition is fullfilled and the effect stops. Rolling all dice seperately doesn't matter. Dice 1: 4+ - return a model Dice 2: Yeah a 4+ has already been rolled so nothing happens Dice 3: ... etc. You can see it as a boolean: If you roll a 4+ return one model. We start at 4+: false: Once you roll a 4+ it's turned to true and the condition is triggered once. End of story. It would have to say: for each 4+ you roll return one model, so the condition can be met several times.

I am expecting a day 1 FAQ. RAW you can only return one Skeleton to the unit if at least one 4+ is rolled. It doesn’t say „for each 4+ return…“ it says „if you roll a 4+ return one model“

That makes me very sad. However thanks for your report! cheers

Why? The money keeps flowing, people keep buying, the managers keep being incompetent and new people keep coming. GW loses nothing, why should they learn.

But, you can revive them only once!

Indeed. Almost all buffs are restricted to summonable units, of which only one isn‘t a tarpit: Grave Guards. By design we are supposed to spam Grave Guards and ignore the (unbuffable) Vampire part of the army 👌🏻 because we are not allowed to deal damage for reasons. That’s sadly super lame for both players. (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

Is it just me or is the army lacking in the hammer department, again? We have overtune-able Grave Guard (as before). Apart from that maybe Blood Knights, though they deal too little damage. Vamp Lords on Dragons are too unreliable and expensive. Vengorian Lords remained a meme. Have you guys found anything? *sad Nagash noises*

3 Attacks on his lance are just too few. In my experience it happens too often that none of those attacks even wound. The sword seems like a better option imo esp. since all sources of +1 attack for non-summonable units have been scratched. 🤷🏼‍♂️ The 4+ to hit make no sense to me. It’s like they were afraid those unit could actually deal significant damage. (For the same reason the Mortarch mounts won’t do a lot) I feel like the Terrorgheist isn‘t great either

All Wight kings are summonable! That makes them the biggest winners of the book ❤️ Cado Ezechiar can become a Vampire of any Bloodline (he simply gets the keyword, since he has no bloodline keyword himself) right? Would be pretty cool imo. An actual useful Vampire merc. Pretty sure it will be FaQed because all of a sudden the lore has to be respected again XD

Edit: With the wight king those BK are solid.