Summoning Outside Of Grand Alliance

[MrCharisma]

I'm seeking your collective wisdom on an idea I'm looking to execute at a matched play tournament. Can I summon an Incarnate Elemental of Wrath/Fire?

 

I play Order and plan to run a Collegiate Arcane dominated list (unfortunately we have no battleline to run a pure list). 

 

Within my list I'm looking to hold 300pts in reserve for summoning, specifically an Incarnate Elemental of Beast or Fire/Wrath. 

 

According to Incarnate Elemental's warscroll, it has the ability to be summoned by a BRIGHT WIZARD: (DESTRUCTION and BRIGHT WIZARDS know the Summon Incarnate Elemental of Fire spell in addition to any other spells they know). 

 

When you select a Collegiate Arcane battlemage you choose a Magic Specialisation from 1 of 8 schools of magic (Heaven, Bright, Amethyst, White, Gold, Grey, Amber, Jade). A battlemage is only allowed to cast the spell assigned from the magic specialisation on top of Arcane Bolt & Mystic Shield. 

 

The battlemage keywords are ORDER,  HUMAN, COLLEGIATE ARCANE, HERO, WIZARD, BATTLEMAGE.

 

There is no reference that if I pick a magic  specialisation that I gain the keyword of Bright. There is a Battlemage on Griffo warscroll that specifically states that the wizard must be an Amber Battlemage, but that warscroll doesn't have a reference to AMBER either. 

 

Adding further complexity comes from the Generals Handbook FAQ update that talks about summoning;

Page 108 – Reinforcement Points

Add the following to the end of the second paragraph: ‘Reinforcement units must belong to the same Grand Alliance as the rest of your army, but can otherwise have any allegiance. Because restrictions are determined when you pick your army, units added later using reinforcement points can allow the army to exceed the normal limitations for leaders, artillery and behemoths.’ 

 

This seems like a request that I'll need to negotiate with each TO, however; before I speak with them... I'd like to know your thoughts on this being a legal or illegal move in Matched Play. 

 

Thoughts?

 

[rokapoke]

I fully expect it to be illegal in Matched Play. It's plainly stated in the FAQ, specifically for reinforcement point purposes. It's another ability in the game that is great for open or narrative play but not permitted in Matched Play. 

[BaldoBeardo]

I wouldn't hold out much hope of negotiating this.
As Rokapoke pointed out, FAQ has scuppered you on allegiance.
It's also caused a problem because it confirmed that names and keywords are different things - you have a Bright Wizard, but you don't have a BRIGHT WIZARD.
So you'd be asking TO's to ignore/reverse two separate issues that were clarified against your hopes in an FAQ.
That's not to say it'd be impossible, but matched play is always going to encourage strict adherence to the rules.


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[MrCharisma]

Thanks for the clarity @rokapoke & @BaldoBeardo . It's not the answer I was looking for but it's the right one. 

I guess my clarity was more about which rule superseded the rest, and it sounds like the summoning point FAQ is it. 

Back to the drawing board for Collegiate Arcane. Thanks again!

[BaldoBeardo]

Thanks for the clarity [mention=538]rokapoke[/mention] & [mention=234]BaldoBeardo[/mention] . It's not the answer I was looking for but it's the right one. 

I guess my clarity was more about which rule superseded the rest, and it sounds like the summoning point FAQ is it. 

Back to the drawing board for Collegiate Arcane. Thanks again!

Only if strict matched play is super important for you!

This is exactly the sort of thing that would be neat in Narrative/Open, and frankly for a friendly game it would be cool (IMO).

 

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[BaldoBeardo]

Weird double post

[MrCharisma]

13 minutes ago, BaldoBeardo said:

Only if strict matched play is super important for you!

This is exactly the sort of thing that would be neat in Narrative/Open, and frankly for a friendly game it would be cool (IMO)

Strict Matched Play isn't important to me, however; i was building a 2,500 pt tournament list. 

Thanks again