Flood Posted April 7, 2017 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 On 4/5/2017 at 8:49 AM, Dez said: @Flood My list from last Saturday's tournament: My list from Saturday's Tournament: Allegiance: ChaosLeadersArch Warlock (140)- General- Artefact: Crown of ConquestPackmaster Skweel Gnawtooth (100)- GeneralTretch Craventail (100)- GeneralSkaven Warlord (100)- General- Warpforged Blade- Artefact: Crown of ConquestBattleline 40 Clan Rats with Spears/Full Command 10 Clan Rats with Swords/Full Command 10 Clan Rats with Swords/Full Command 30 Stormvermin Shields/Full Command Warpfire Thrower Ratling Gun Ratling Gun War MachinesWarp Lightning Cannon (180)- GeneralBattalionsVerminus Clawpack (80)Total: 2000/2000 But this list does not have any stormfiends in it? If you were to take skweel with stormfiends, you'd be using the melee options over warpfire projectors then right? As the whip only works with melee weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Bah there should be 3 Stormfiends in it, I'm not sure why it got messed up. I take Warpflame Projectors, it's the Clubbing Fists that need the help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted April 7, 2017 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 Hmm, I've been scratching my chin about this. I think most would agree bringing warpfire projectors is usually the best option, but now those Stormfiends are costing 400 points just for the clubbing blows to get a +1 to hit... but with no rend and 1 damage I wonder how big a difference that makes? It seems like it would be better to either: 1) take warpfire projectors and not bring skweel, using the 100 points elsewhere, or 2) take skweel and use melee weapons on the fiends to capitalize on the cost of skweel such that you're getting multi damage output with rend. For instance, doomflayers would be hitting on 2s wounding on 3s with -2 rend and D3 damage. The grinder fists would be 3s and 3s, giving you a better chance to get that -2 rend off with 3 damage each (no D3, just straight 3 damage!). The shock gauntlets actually seem like they'd benefit most because of the "electrical discharge." They would be hitting on 3s with 5s (rather than 6s) doing D6 attacks, -1 rend and 2 damage. And since "Herded into the fray" is not a magical ability, the rules of 1 do not apply, so you can stack it. Use two herded into the fray and the shock gauntlets will be hitting on 2s with 4s doing D6 attacks, -1 rend 2 damage each. It just seems more beneficial to use herded into the fray with melee weapons, or use warpfire projectors without Skweel at all. Of course, I'm probably wrong, and you have way more experience than I do Dez. I guess I'm just thinking out loud. I've just noticed the underlying theme of AoS vs. fantasy has been maximal efficiency and synergy, so I'm always trying to think about what combos would cause the most exponential and efficient gains - and it seems like using herded into the fray for a sub optimal attack is not a capitalization. I have a feeling I'm not wording my thoughts correctly... I hope you get what I'm saying :p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dez Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 No I get it and it has merit! Just 1 quick aside, Clubbin' Fists is 2 damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted April 7, 2017 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 Oh wow it is 2 damage! I don't know how I forgot that! Well hmm in that case it doesnt sound too bad an idea. So really all you're losing is rend then. I'm going to try it! Things on paper are always different than in practice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 Another list idea. Had another look at Arch-Warlock's scroll, He is amazing! Allegiance: ChaosLeadersThanquol and Boneripper (500)- Warpfire ProjectorsArch Warlock (140)Skaven Warlord (100)- Warpforged BladeWarlock Engineer (100)Battleline40 x Clanrats (240)- Rusty Spear40 x Clanrats (240)- Rusty Spear10 x Clanrats (60)- Rusty Spear3 x Stormfiends (300)Units1 x Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team (60)1 x Warpfire Thrower Weapon Team (60)War MachinesWarp Lightning Cannon (180)Total: 1980/2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DynamicCalories Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 If anyone saw the Livstream yesterday, a guy's Pestilens army took down two mournghuls with buffed Plague Monks, rats can still kill kill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldmanlee Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Anyone know what was in the pestilens list at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DynamicCalories Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 From memory it was 2 (maybe 3)x10 clan rats with Foe Blades 30 clan rates with Staves Verminlord Deceiver And I think 2 plague catapults and a screaming bell (maybe the other way around) Edit: Oh! And he used his remaining points to summon a balewind vortex and a Tzeentch pink sorcerer thingy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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