Kairos Oracle of Eternity

[Vextol]

Can I, as a tzeentch player, use kairos's Oracle of Eternity (Once per battle, you can change the result of a single dice roll to the result of your choosing) ability to change the value of my tzeentch opponents Destiny Die when he uses it? 

So , he sets the value of his skyfires hit roll to a 6 with a Destiny Die.  Can I then change that roll to a 1 with this ability?

I've asked a nearly identical question about the Starseer using their rerolls to make a tzeentch player reroll the destiny die once they use it and was met with a lot of backlash, but, I figured if kairos can do it, so can the starseer .

 

[heywoah_twitch]

Yes, finding the faq quote atm. Edit inc.

Edit: you can not re-roll a re-roll, which is why the starseer doesn't work, but I'm not finding anything about "changing the result to another result" twice. 

[Nico]

The Starseer is ambiguous as to whether you can only reroll your own Dice. Conservatively you could construe it that way.

Kairos can plainly change any dice roll (except initiative) which includes dice pre set with Destiny Dice.

[Vextol]

1 hour ago, heywoah_twitch said:

No, finding the faq quote atm. Edit inc.

Edit: you can not re-roll a re-roll, which is why the starseer doesn't work, but I'm not finding anything about "changing the result to another result" twice. 

Destiny dice are not a re roll.  You pick the die and don't roll it first. 

I've never talked to someone who did not agree the starseer can force rerolls of any die (even if it was begrudgingly).  Of all the ambiguities, I believe this one is really clear.  They even added a rule of 1 for basically just this model and Kroak. 

The wording for kairos and starseer are almost exactly the same with regards to the action itself.

...re-roll any single dice...

...change the result of a single dice...

 

If anything, the starseer reads more in favor of universality than kairos.

[heywoah_twitch]

1 minute ago, Vextol said:

Destiny dice are not a reroll.

Yeah - oh I edited the post and said that answer but forgot the change the no to a yes

[Pannben]

No destiny  dice Is not a reroll but Is Kairos changing a die a reroll? Can Kairos for instance change a die that the other players Kairos have already changed?

[Vextol]

Kairos changing a die is not a reroll either.   He rolls a die and then decides to make the result different.  It’s still the same ‘result’ from the first roll. 

[Nico]

Which means enemy abilities that allow you to reroll enemy dice are a counter to it.