Tzeentch Arcanites: How to building around the battleforce box? 1k / 1.5k / 2k

[tuorgustavo]

Hi there!

I´ve just got Disciples of Tzeentch Battleforce box and I was studying some posts, battletome etc to figure out how to build a nice list from it. This box is my start with the faction (and Chaos as well, as I only have Ironjawz). I really like Mortals and Arcanites and would rather play them instead of Demons of Tzeencht, so my idea is to avoid Horrors, flamers, etc. 

My LFGS is not very competive, so I dont need to wory about meta lists and so. We usually play games with 1k or 1.5k points with some rare 2k points.  I managed to build a nice list, I think, for 1.5k:

Allegiance: Tzeentch
Tzaangor Shaman (160)
- General
- Trait: Arch Sorcerer 
- Artefact: Blade of Fate 
- Lore of Fate: Arcane Suggestion
- Lore of Fate: Glimpse the Future
- Lore of Change: Treason of Tzeentch
Magister (120)
- Artefact: Paradoxical Shield 
- Lore of Fate: Bolt of Tzeentch
Magister (120)
- Artefact: Timeslip Pendant 
- Lore of Fate: Shield of Fate
10 x Kairic Acolytes (100)
20 x Tzaangors (360)
3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)
3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (200)
Tzaangor Coven (90)
Arcanite Cabal (100)

Total: 1410 / 1500 - Some free points for a Chaos Spawn.

What can I do to improve it? Also, what weapons for the Tzaangors and Kairics?

What I´m really struggling is to build a 1k list, here is what I came up with:
Allegiance: Tzeentch
Tzaangor Shaman (160)
- General
- Trait: Arch Sorcerer 
- Artefact: Blade of Fate 
- Lore of Fate: Arcane Suggestion
- Lore of Fate: Glimpse the Future
- Lore of Change: Treason of Tzeentch
10 x Kairic Acolytes (100)
10 x Tzaangors (180)
3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)
3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (200)
Tzaangor Coven (90)

Total: 890 / 1000

I dont feel like only 10 tzaangors are worthy with this batallion. They seem a lot better as 20man unit. I was thinking about take an ally to complement this points instead of leaving them to summon Chaos Spawns, but I´m not sure who to choose, may Slambo?? Or other Wizard?? What do you recommend?

[Vilge]

Hi,

I will test my list for 1000b tomorrow on local tournament.

 

It is like this:

Lord of change

Curseling

10x acolyte

30x tzaangor

 

I like a lot of spells and curseling for general - he will go with tzaangors and give them inspiring presence. Also you can cast shield and tzeentch shield so they will have 4+ save with rerolls. 

I will let you know how games go...

[S133arcanite]

1 hour ago, Vilge said:

Hi,

I will test my list for 1000b tomorrow on local tournament.

 

It is like this:

Lord of change

Curseling

10x acolyte

30x tzaangor

 

I like a lot of spells and curseling for general - he will go with tzaangors and give them inspiring presence. Also you can cast shield and tzeentch shield so they will have 4+ save with rerolls. 

I will let you know how games go...

have you considered shaman instead of curseling, it gives the tzaangors loadsa buffs

[Vilge]

On 19. 1. 2018 at 9:24 PM, S133arcanite said:

have you considered shaman instead of curseling, it gives the tzaangors loadsa buffs

Hi, Tzaangor Shaman is nice with skyfires, but they are good only in squad of nine...

 

My list on tournament was great, first fight was against Khorne list I lost on points but almost killed all his models (only bloodsecrator lived). Other two games was againts Sylvaneth and Stormcast, I won both of them. Tzeentch is realy strong and when you have 4 spells in 1k points game you can do a lot for mortals :-)

[The Cyclop Owl]

Not updated after GH2, but I found this while browsing 2017 lists. With a few tweaks it's worth a try!

 

Quote

 

Mark Wildman (Bad Dice Podcast)

Allegiance: Tzeentch

Heroes

Lord Of Change (300)

- General

- Command Trait : Magical Supremacy

- Artefact : Wellspring of Arcane Might

- Lore of Change : Tzeentch's Firestorm

The Changeling (140)

- Lore of Change : Treason of Tzeentch

Tzaangor Shaman (120)

- Artefact : Aura of Mutability

- Lore of Fate : Shield of Fate

 

Units 10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140)

- Lore of Change : Fold Reality

10 x Pink Horrors Of Tzeentch (140)

- Lore of Change : Bolt of Tzeentch

20 x Tzaangors (360)

- 8 x Pair of Savage Blade

- 8 x Savage Greatblade

- 4 x Savage Blade & Arcanite Shield

6 x Tzaangor Skyfires (320)

3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)

 

Battalions

Tzaangor Coven (40)

 

Total: 1720/ 2000

=>280 Summoning points.

Heroes: 3/6 Battlelines: 3 (3+) Behemoths: 1/4 Artillery: 0/4

 

Are the skyfires the only units here that have been nerfed? If so, this should be able to run with 200 pts summon, no?

[AverageBoss]

On 1/19/2018 at 11:54 AM, tuorgustavo said:

Hi there!

I´ve just got Disciples of Tzeentch Battleforce box and I was studying some posts, battletome etc to figure out how to build a nice list from it. This box is my start with the faction (and Chaos as well, as I only have Ironjawz). I really like Mortals and Arcanites and would rather play them instead of Demons of Tzeencht, so my idea is to avoid Horrors, flamers, etc. 

My LFGS is not very competive, so I dont need to wory about meta lists and so. We usually play games with 1k or 1.5k points with some rare 2k points.  I managed to build a nice list, I think, for 1.5k:

Allegiance: Tzeentch
Tzaangor Shaman (160)
- General
- Trait: Arch Sorcerer 
- Artefact: Blade of Fate 
- Lore of Fate: Arcane Suggestion
- Lore of Fate: Glimpse the Future
- Lore of Change: Treason of Tzeentch
Magister (120)
- Artefact: Paradoxical Shield 
- Lore of Fate: Bolt of Tzeentch
Magister (120)
- Artefact: Timeslip Pendant 
- Lore of Fate: Shield of Fate
10 x Kairic Acolytes (100)
20 x Tzaangors (360)
3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)
3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (200)
Tzaangor Coven (90)
Arcanite Cabal (100)

Total: 1410 / 1500 - Some free points for a Chaos Spawn.

What can I do to improve it? Also, what weapons for the Tzaangors and Kairics?

What I´m really struggling is to build a 1k list, here is what I came up with:
Allegiance: Tzeentch
Tzaangor Shaman (160)
- General
- Trait: Arch Sorcerer 
- Artefact: Blade of Fate 
- Lore of Fate: Arcane Suggestion
- Lore of Fate: Glimpse the Future
- Lore of Change: Treason of Tzeentch
10 x Kairic Acolytes (100)
10 x Tzaangors (180)
3 x Tzaangor Enlightened on Disc (160)
3 x Tzaangor Skyfires (200)
Tzaangor Coven (90)

Total: 890 / 1000

I dont feel like only 10 tzaangors are worthy with this batallion. They seem a lot better as 20man unit. I was thinking about take an ally to complement this points instead of leaving them to summon Chaos Spawns, but I´m not sure who to choose, may Slambo?? Or other Wizard?? What do you recommend?

I would recommend against the battalions. They are pretty poor and you would be better served by more troops (which is also more fun imo).

Avoiding daemon units altogether, I would recommend looking into Ogroids, Sorcerer Lords, Sorcerer Lord on Manticore, and Curseling. All are better options imo, and (more importantly) far more unique.

If filling out a list is ever an issue, Marauders with the Mark of Tzeentch are a mere 60 points, and can be fun to convert into lesser acolytes.

For weapons on the Tzaangors:
Twistbray w/ greadblade
Hornblower w/ greatblade
Standard w/ greatblade
random guy w/ greatblade
2x mutants
4x sword + sheild

is considered optimal for every 10. 10 Tzaangors are not really worth running as a single unit. 20 is a solid option. If points allow, consider a 30 man unit. Those last 10 models get a sizable 90 point discount for the horde bonus.

For Acolytes. Once again max greatblades, equipping the special guys (scroll caddy, bird guy) first, shields for the rest.