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  1. 23 minutes ago, Gitzdee said:

    Do we think Bonesplitterz and Beasts of Chaos are getting reworked?

    Based on the regiments system i think its plausible that we could be getting them back some day as regiments instead of a subfaction. Bonesplitterz could get a hero + 2 or 3 units that can be slotted into either Ironjawz or Kruleboyz. The same could be said for Beasts and can be slotted into any Chaos army. It think it actually fits their lore too.

    This way GW can still do the micro armies they always wanted without having to commit to a whole army + tome system and years of support that helps with limited warehouse space.

    The only way they'll be brought back is if shareholders realise that GW is effectively halving potential profits by retaining its kafka-esque separate p&l sheets for specialist and main studios.

    I doubt that'll happen though, as they didn't kick up a fuss when FW was removed from 40k a year or two back.

    That said, I'm determined to go out in a blaze of glory with bonesplitterz. Even if the rules are somehow worse than they already are, I'm taking my crazy waagh magic boyz to the sunset.

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  2. 1 minute ago, Grungnisson said:

    Sales of what, exactly? BoC and BS? I'm not quite sure they were the sales behemoths you're suggesting they were.

    I don't care about how GW looks at sales figures. Quarter of a million dollars may look inconsequential to them.

    But to the people who spent several hundred pounds on new armies since January (I'm one, and a mate recently started beasts), those numbers are not inconsequential.

    Deliberately holding back the truth until a time it was convenient for them to communicate with their customers has left customers out of pocket. These aren't speculative assets, we didn't buy expecting to lose.

  3. 3 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:

    But we pretty rapidly got confirmation from Whitefang and other

    Whitefang never confirmed this. The only indication we had was that SG Warhound cry reacted to someone asking if beasts were staying. 

  4. 2 minutes ago, GloomkingWortwazi said:

    I can confirm it isn't through personal experience. Often, "I don't know, I'll have to look into it for you" is equally as damaging.

    Politicians do this all the time. The answer is phrased as 'there are no plans as far as I'm aware' or 'no one has told me anything like that.'

    Never - this is 100% false, they are definitely staying around.

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  5. 3 minutes ago, Gaz Taylor said:

    Just to add my point of view from yesterday and god knows how many pages ago...

    I think this is a case of one department not talking to another. I doubt very much that the Head of Global events would say that if they knew as it would make them look silly when it happened. If you knew, you wouldn't say that and would stick with non comital phrases.

    Pretty sure the normal person response if you don't know would be 'I don't know'. 

    You understand how this looks like a cynical attempt to deliberately keep people in the dark, in order to inflate sales.

  6. 8 minutes ago, Marcvs said:

    This is very ironic when multiple people on this forum (so, generally, very involved in the hobby news cycle) where pushing back against the very idea. For reference, here's also a reddit thread after The Honest Wargamer started talking about the possibility of BoC going away with like 100% of initial reactions saying he was wrong (or worse): https://www.reddit.com/r/ageofsigmar/comments/195jk3n/where_does_the_rumor_that_beasts_of_chaos_are/

    and I quote from the most upvoted comment:

    "It pretty much exclusively comes from the YouTube/twitch personality theHonestWargamer's opinion almost no one else thinks it's going to happen"

     

    Exactly. It's one thing to say 'the writing is on the wall' after rumour sources say they're going away. 

    And then GW staff say that those rumours are ******. 

     

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  7. 4 minutes ago, AquaRegis said:

    I forgot where I said that nobody has the right to complain. All i said is that the writing was on the wall for these factions.  The only real shock is that they have scrapped half the stormcast range, given that most SCE players have built armies and spent over £500 on these models. 

    They supported WHFB for over a decade and then scrapped 2 entire armies and multiple models in a short span of time. Being in 3 differnet editions doesn't indicate they will stay given GW's track record. 

    You created your account last week, and suddenly you're here to curbstomp anyone who says they're upset about the cull. All signs point to the likelihood you're a GW bot. 

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  8. 27 minutes ago, EonChao said:

    I know this is going to come off as sarcastic but it's meant entirely genuinely, I really hope you do, and that if possible you enter them into any painting competitions, armies on parade etc that you can. Best thing to do is to keep GW aware of what they've done in hopes that if there is a plan for something similar to take their place down the line, that they see there's a market for them. Sadly I only currently have Hedkrakka's Mob but I'll be certainly getting them painted up and posted on socials later this year and hoping a few of the kits get picked up for TOW so I can grab a few to do the same with.

    Ironically, the index will be the first balance update for bonesplitterz in years. They've been completely ignored in almost every battlescroll. That, more than anything else, has been the main reason their meta representation has slipped so hard. Prior to the big stabba nerf a couple of years ago they were podiuming quite regularly. 

  9. 6 minutes ago, Garrac said:

    But can you apply it to all the army, or is it a !1 thing per 1000 points" thing?

    You can't run a full army of savage orcs, no. I was hoping they'd do something like that for the arcane journal, but they didn't in the end.

    I even interpreted the lack of a 100% savage orc faction in the arcane journal as an indication that bonesplitterz would remain a part of AoS, and I bought 200 quid worth of bonesplitterz a couple of weeks back. 

    I intend to run them exclusively for the next year and podium a few times with them, as a final ****** you to GW. 

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  10. 9 minutes ago, Gitzdee said:

    Whats the point in stating your opinion like this? 

    They have had a tome.

    They have received a warband.

    Theres actually quite a few Bonesplitterz players on tga already. Maybe not all competitive ones.

    Thats more than some other subfactions ever had.

    Cant be sad/mad about something like this?

    Just ignore this absolute dribbler. They're a new user just here to shill for GW when it is being criticised. 

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  11. 6 hours ago, GhostShark said:

    Thats what Indexes are though. Rules that last until an army gets a book. We've seen this before multiple times. 

    It also makes zero sense to move BOC to legends at the beginning of the edition. The entire point of Indexes is they can release them all at once, and then get around to doing books when they get around to it. Even if thats never. If thats the case with BOC, they'll be on their index until they get a new book or until the next set of indexes. 

    Legends is specified early on though. Its rules that they no longer acknowledge and will no longer update through battlescroll patches or FAQs. Same as the dark elves and ogors for old world.

    If they abandon beasts they will for sure get an index. But it'll be an index that is clearly marked as legends.

  12. 59 minutes ago, Sarouan said:

    Box is still not released, and the previous marauder units are still in the rules / in store, that's what I meant.

    Exactly this. Darkoath marauders and standard marauders won't have the same warscroll, because we know that the new ones will at least have the darkoath keyword.

    The current marauders will exist until GW says the warscroll goes to legend - normally when there's a new book, but perhaps next battlescroll/faq, or at the index overhaul.

  13. If the ironjawz expansion tells us anything it's that soup is no longer a reason not to give model support to an army. 

    I know they thematically look very different, but I'm quite taken by the idea of allowing my slayers to use KO assault vehicles. Will definitely shake up the slow castle build.

  14. 1 hour ago, Grungnisson said:

    I finally realised that it wasn't the game's fault, it was mine.

    These are pearls of wisdom. I've been playing a netlist recently. It's a mixed arms ogor list. It's copied from a guy who is one of the best players in the world. He's beaten all the top armies in the meta with this list, and it's largely remained unchanged.

    First three games with it, I lost every single game. But I'm slowly starting to understand how to play it.

    It's taught me that player skill is most often the only variable that counts. Its not because of the army, or your opponent's army, or because of the double turn, or your sh**ty dice rolls - the fault is almost always down to poor decision making an planning. 

    This is part of what makes the game incredibly fun. Failing ever upwards, learning from your mistakes. If you blame anything other than yourself you stop learning. 

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  15. 1 hour ago, Marcvs said:

    in my anecdotal experience, it's much easier to find a game playing what is (right or wrong) considered the standard way to play

    Just for the record, most people who play this game regularly, including what is often described here as 'competitive' players, will not refuse you a game if you only want to play with the core rules.

    That is particularly the case if you're learning the game. That's what this is designed for after all, and more people in the playing community is a great thing. Generally we're all mums and dads, so someone new will always be taken under a wing and looked out for.

    That said, if you have been playing regularly for years, and know the full ruleset, you will know that by playing only the core rules you run the risk of gaining an unfair advantage.

    So if your opponent is playing tzeentch or seraphon, and you suddenly decide you don't want to play with magic, even though you know perfectly well how magic works and know that your opponent's army relies on magic, that would probably be seen as a bit of a d**k move.

    Similarly if you decide to play without faction terrain rules into Sylvaneth, or command abilities into OBR.

    Or if you have just four mega gargants and you only want to play the primary, the opponent won't be scoring at all without secondary battle tactics.

    This will totally be fine if you're learning the game, and most opponents will laugh it off and give you a pat on the back for winning. But you see how the full version of the game will likely be the standard at events.

    I won't say it'll be 100% balanced, but it'll likely be the most balanced version of the game.

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  16. 2 minutes ago, Tonhel said:

    Exactly, I also wonder how they will balance it with all the warscrolls as playing without the magic module has certainly an impact on some armies. So a warscroll has to be balanced for a game with the magic module and for a game without the magic module.

    I actually like this new ruleset, aka Age of Modules, in that it offers an actual path for new people learning the game. You can start with the core rules only and then gradually introduce modules as you get more familiar. 

    But the standard format will always be matched play rules as the most balanced, fair version of the game. Or else spearhead, if they manage to do it well.

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  17. 10 minutes ago, michu said:

    Unfortunately, not the sentiment I'm seeing. People are already claiming that they will be using GHB for pickup games and even narrative events.

    It's because if you exclude magic from the game, it makes it wildly unbalanced and unfair for armies that rely on magic as a core mechanic. No problem if you're a khorne player, but tzeentch can get rekt. 

  18. 5 minutes ago, Dragon-knight77 said:

    well their upgrade option to boyz not really an actual unit. It more equivalent of saying "yes you can proxy your old save orc models in the game"

    It's interesting they didn't have a specific themed list for savage orcs in the book. Faint hope for bonesplitterz. 

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