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It also says winter 2022-23.

Would love morghur. Then I can finally rest knowing that my beloved goats aren't going to get squatted when old world comes out.

February is winter, but its not winter 2023!

On the roadmap you posted it says 'winter 2023' for DB4. So should be a lot earlier than Feb.

I assumed ruin queen was valkia, I.e. within the same grand alliance. But could be wrong

Well I'm not going to argue with you or try and prove you wrong, because Rob is so difficult to track with his rumours. He doesn't use them as clickbait or make them the sole topic of his videos - he casually mentions them offhand. There's loads of AoS rumours that have come from Rob over the past year, albeit mostly rules related. Off the top of my head, the wizard GHB, changes to rally, stonehorn monstrous action. You can see his value as a rumour source by the fact that every battletome that has leaked has been the result of Rob.

Valrak gets his old world rumours from Rob.

Small point from THWG stream today. Apparently old world was supposed to release in Nov. but has been pushed back. But it is now *definitely* scheduled for Jan. Bear in mind that Rob is the original source of the Tomb Kings v Brets starter box rumour.

The roadmap says 'winter 2023' If you compare that to last year's roadmap, we did indeed get the slaves box in winter 2022.

It's a weird choice of words. Blow people out of the water? That doesn't really mean what he probably thinks it means. "completely discredit someone or something by far surpassing them or exposing their flaws." Why not 'blow people's minds'? Makes me think the word choice was a hint. We've had order v chaos, death and destruction. What about order v order, with stormcast v idoneth? Maybe I'm just reading too much into it.

[Cough] bullgors, yhetees, frost sabres, maneaters, temple guard, flagellants, marauders, the entirety of the skaven range.

I think ushoran (aka the summer king) is being set up as a big bad in the dawnbringer narrative. It seems like book 4 of the dawnbringers will coincide with the battletome release in 'winter 2023'. So I assume it'll be the dawnbringer 4 ushoran book along with a new limited FEC army box just before Christmas, with the full army release in the new year (like S2D). That leaves book 3 as a bit of a mystery, especially as its due to be released in the autumn. Narrative seems to point toward new valkia. Do we have any indication of when the next preview show is likely to be?

Eh, I mean they still write stupid characters like Orcs, Trolls and Gargants with working class regional accents from the South of England. As someone brought up in that environment, and struggling with the stigma of my accent for most of my white collar career, I find it pretty offensive tbh. GW still has a long way to go.

Anyone else just seen the KO army of renown leaks in THWG stream? Thunderers can fire twice in every phase, (so yeah that means two lots of unleash hell), and can catch a ride on the gunhauler. There's 4+ rallies/rezzing boats and 5+ wards. Hoping that troggs, pigs and sons all have broken rules too

Honestly, I'm so happy to have alternative sculpts to choose from. Claybeast, Txarli ogors are so much nicer than the official sculpts. And who the hell wants to make an army comprised of the current gutter runners sculpts. -- Also it's worth saying that GW has never done dwarf slayers well. With the exception of gotrek and these new warcry sculpts. If the alternative to using these Highland sculpts are the old metal slayers, then I'm so grateful to have them

Tbh I found these slayer sculpts by Highland Miniatures to be much nicer. No crash helmet, no upper thigh, no gigantic hair that looks like it's carved out of wood. But everyone has different taste.

Oh man, I'm sorry I have to disagree. They're terrible! The worst thing is that they are actually bald - the mohawk is actually a helmet crest. What's more the hair is gigantic, and perfectly pointed - no single strand of hair awry. The helmet itself is basically just a motorcycle crash helmet. The poses are largely inorganic. And the loincloth makes you feel like you're painting babies in their nappies. I've built, painted and then sold two complete fyreslayer armies over the past few years. The models are just horrendous. In the end, I 3d printed some old world-looking slayers and have just been using them as proxies. These new ones are fantastic. The beards and hair are luxurious, rather than being poorly sculpted and wirey. The helmets are fantastic, the poses are all natural and - best of all - the models show very little upper thigh.

Honestly, my biggest hope is that GW redesigns fyreslayers infantry to look like these. They are finally doing justice to the art.

Hope the pdf comes with the meta watch this week. Would be good to have the new rules before the preorders go live

Would be weird if we didn't get a mini for Zagora the Dawnbringer - stormcast character after whom the whole narrative arc is named.

Most probably a more expensive box with more stuff in it.

So excited! I went to bed thinking about a trogg list last night and spent half the night dreaming about troggs.

Some people on discord believe that Sept 23 is the release date, with preorders a week earlier on Sept 16. On that timetable, announcement should be this Sunday. Surprising to me, as I assumed the Sept 23 date was preorders, rather than release. @Elarin any steer on this?

Anything else you could share? Any idea of profile/rules or just vaguely how hitty they are?

Do we have a new rumour source folks?