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Yeah, I mean, slaves to darkness, moonclan gitz are all in OW, and I can't see them getting removed.

Exactly! Battle tactics are hugely fun. They give you hard decisions in the list building stage and in the mid game. The problem is that many (not all) battle tactics are uninteractive. For instance, KO's 'get in a boat' or 'get out of a boat'. Or else they force you to hang back and not engage, I.e. magical dominance to be out of unbind range, or surround and destroy. These battle tactics actually reward you for not fighting your opponent. Therefore you get armies like Big Waagh (pre battlescroll) which looked like a combat army but was actually one that hung back, did a few moves here and there, scored some primary and secondary, but rarely got stuck in. Compare that to my favourite generic battle tactic - led into the maelstrom. You have to complete a charge with hero and battleline and still be in combat with one of those at the end of the turn. It forces you to think about what you're putting in to combat. You want to kill your opponent, but not too much, and you don't want your stuff to die too badly on the clapback. It's super fun and engaging, and turns so much on the dice roll. If there are changes to battle tactics, this is what I'd like to see more of. Stuff that gets you into combat, depends on you and your opponent rolling dice, and isn't an auto-complete.

Bonesplitterz and beasts in the book?

I think this might be false mostly because Ben said in the video that combat range is now flat 3 inches. This guy above suggests that its flat 1/2 and only monsters get the 3 inch reach.

I'll be honest, I've never liked his work. I know he's like the holy cow, but I wonder how many people secretly feel the same. Even as a kid, warhammer to me was Adrian Smith and Karl Kopiniski. I think Blanche with his weirdly proportioned characters and 'can't be arsed' style on the detail, was just too surrealist. I never felt transported by his art, and I feel like his impact on warhammer has been wildly overstated.

They should make a proper evergreen coffee table book for each faction. Lore, art, painting guides etc. Really go to town. Then just publish the rules for free online, or else have all the allegiance abilities, battle tactics unlockable on the app.

John Blanche is ridiculously overrated. There. I said it.

Definitely don't pay top dollar. There will be loads of people selling their battletomes for next to nothing in the next few weeks and months. I'm trying to sell mine! If we get an index edition, they'll be useless.

Thanks for the shout, will sub. Those are beautiful

Since we're doing requests, could @SG Warhound confirm if bonesplitterz survived?

Massive congrats dude!

Just think how much worse it could be

At least the current battletomes are playtested. New edition secrecy means that the new indexes will be pulled out of their backsides. Look at 40k for examples of how well they're able to balance rules on their own.

Ha! Say that in three years time when you're still playing with temporary rules, while most everyone else has a shiny new battletome.

@SG Warhound would you be able to tell us once and for all whether 4th will be an index edition?

I mean I think it's a plausible list, the exception being kurnothi warcry. It'll prob be idoneth instead.

As in Chaos Terminator Lord? Doesn't look like khul

I was waiting to hear about the arcane journal for old world orcs for clues about bonesplitterz. From what I've heard, currently you can't run a whole army of savage orcs because it's a limited upgrade on units. I was expecting that - if bonesplitterz are indeed destined for old world - the arcane journal might include rules allowing a full army of savage orcs. There was no mention of that in the preview article today, and no inclusion of savage orcs in the bundle box. It's a slimmest glimmer of hope yet that they might be hanging around in aos4.

So given that rumours point to an index at the start of 4th edition. Anyone like to theorise what kits/subfactions/armies are being cut? I'll start: * Bonesplitterz (sad face) * Cities dwarves * Beasts of Chaos cease to exist, but some stuff gets rolled into slaves * endless spells and (possibly) faction terrain * Most fatcast from first edition: prosecutors, liberators, paladins. They'll prob get replaced with thunderstrike equivalents - we've already seen what new liberators look like in Realms of Ruin. Unsure about the fate of the pyjama-cast, or vanguard. * Skaven resin/metal stuff as rumoured * yhetees, old gorgers, cats, maneaters, firebelly, slaughtermaster I think GW is going to be brutal next edition. For the past year or more there have been serious stock issues, with some people waiting a year to get hands on a loonshrine, for instance. Even plastic kits go out of stock for months at a time. I get the feeling their factory or warehouse can't keep up with production demand. This is only made worse by their ever expanding catalogue. They need to cut back to make room for new releases.

Off topic, but I've spent the weekend assembling darkoath savagers. I plan to paint one a day for the next 40 days, by which time we should have the new box. But aside from how beautiful the models are, I just want to appreciate the level of representation there is. There's a nearly 50/50 split of men and women in the box, which is fantastic, and the models come in different shapes and sizes. On the box art, they are painted in several skin tones. When AoS launched, the starter box bloodbound felt in some ways like a reimagining of old world marauder tribes. So in turn, new darkoath feel like a reimagining of bloodbound, where they are moving away from the weird sausage party, into a more faithful representation of a primitive warrior society at war. I'm hugely stoked for the new army, and I'm also excited by the fact GW listened. The fact we are also getting darker, more lightning-infused stormcast, is just the cherry on top.

Lol even GW forget bonesplitterz exist.

I keep hearing that at LVO GW directly said the rumours of Beasts being squatted was incorrect. I don't know if it was on stream or in person. Either way, would be pretty cynical even for GW to lie about that just so they can keep selling models before 4th Ed. Who knows though?

Darkoath release cannot come soon enough. I'm going to sell all my other armies and play these exclusively. I swear this to the dark pantheon through this oath.

Why do they keep flirting around the edges of darkoath, with underworld and warcry, or else unique warbands? Give us core units to replace marauders.

Grombrindal in DB6?