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11 hours ago, Mcthew said:
So decided not to subscribe. I enjoy the hobby too much and didn't fancy the Hachette hassle.
Still, I managed to pick up 4 copies in Smith's and the local GW, for £12, and got a nice blob of 40 chainrasps and models for a unit of 10 sequitors. That's over £100 of models for the price of a couple of pints in the local pub. Not bad at all... Considering how overpriced chainrasps are.
It is good value, save for the repeated poses! It's really a case of getting a lot of models for a small saving- but do you want those models? I think if you find a friend who wants the other force and you build a gaming table between you it's perfect.
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1 hour ago, Sunshine said:
This will cost c.£600 for everything. Has anyone worked out what savings you would make?
I can't find the link or where i saw it, but i believe it's something like 8-10% saving. issue 1 is extremely good value. But when they reach full price they're not so much. I imagine when they get to later issues, something like the Celestant-prime will come over 3-4 issues, rather than 1.
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1 hour ago, RuneBrush said:
My own hope is that it'll be something like the HH black books too. Although I might not ever get into the game, I would be sorely tempted to pick up the books that go with it
Those hard back sleeved End Times books were lovely and had great narrative and interesting rules- something like that would be great.
I imagine they will be 28mm as then people can use them in AoS- though I suppose they'll mostly be limited to Cities of Sigmar/Death armies.
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19 minutes ago, RuneBrush said:
One interesting comment made by the Lord of the Ring gents was that one of the things they struggle to know is the number of people playing each of the different game methods (open, narrative and matched) and that they knew that what is online may not be representative of what the reality is - that comment got a lot of nods of agreements from other people responsible for other game systems, so I think you're right when you say that GW does have a grasp on who makes the noise online 😉
That's good to know haha. I know GW is still overwhelmingly Narrative/Open play focused in their general coverage and discussion, yet online is overwhelmingly competitive play. But I always play people who aren't really competitive in the sense that they play semi-decent lists, but are not involved in online conversations around AoS at all, and we play very relaxed matched play games, probably closer to GW's idea of a regular AoS game than TGA's, so I know there are definitely people who don't play pure matched play/competitive driven stuff.
Just from GW sales, it must be the case that 90% of their players aren't super competitive and are actually in it for model building/painting and casual games. The competitive community is very small- most tournament players know most other tournament players by name! That's going to be a small proportion of their sales and player base.
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Thanks for the summary @RuneBrush!
I think, release/development wise, this is copying Sisters release for the same core reason- Sisters and WHFB have a quite vocal, but minority, support on the internet. Judging by the reaction to the announcement, you might think Old World might be as big as 40k, but GW understand than angry nerds on the net produce a lot of noise and there's not a reliable way to tell how much real interest in the game there is. As with sisters, they'll just tease over 2/3 years and guage reaction, adjusting their release as they go to give them the best chance of getting the right level of investment.
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2 hours ago, Requizen said:
To that point, do people think it would be truly game-breaking if SCE went full Space Marines and got +1 to existing saves across the board, making it mostly 3+ and Leaders 2+? Perhaps with the removal of Staunch, as that would just be kinda silly.
Fluff wise, 2 wounds and 4+ doesn't match the God-Forged armour worn by heroes from history resurrected on the anvil of apotheosis. Space Marines are now much closer to the fluff (though making them literally as good as the fluff would not be workable I imagine).
SCE having 3+ makes sense- Longbeards have 3+. Heroes could even continue to have 3+, just give them more wounds?
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It's a nice round of changes- the batallions were always nice but now seem almost auto-include. Not making the unmodified 6 apply to blades of putrefaction is weird- but perhaps it's just their desire to move people to the newer mortal models instead of the older daemon models. It does feel a little like an incomplete update, but that's understandable i suppose. I think points wise Nurgle still need a big discount- 120 for 10 plaguebearers is laughable compared to something like phoenix guard. If we take plaguebearers as the standard, phoenix guard should be 240 points for 10. 100/260pts for plaguebearers seems totally reasonable to me. GUO still seems overcosted, but in it's optimal configuration it sort of auto-include in some lists.
It does make me want to have 30 blightkings now to play some Cyst battalions though.
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Nice! I think Epitome is a great ally for us.
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4 minutes ago, Eevika said:
GUO and Glottkin in a correct list
I think I should probably rephrase my question to What are the good Maggotkin of Nurgle units for their cost?
I love all the nurgle models, have all of them, and think all their warscolls are pretty cool and fun, but for their points they can't compete. Players have shown they can win with a Nurgle force- hell even I have! But GUO is a pure support piece that does less than what models costing 100 points less do. Glottkin is amazing as well and I've run lists with him, but he's overcosted for what he does now.
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7 hours ago, Eevika said:
Im just going to say this. Every army is bad if you dont play the good units 🤷♂️
What are the good Maggotkin of Nurgle units?
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4 hours ago, Fluxlord said:
Actually the change on at least a seven with two dice is 7/12 which is 58% not 25%.
Enemy unbinds, with loads of bonuses across armies makes that way lower.
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46 minutes ago, Eevika said:
I agree that Glottkin needs points decrease but he is a really strong buff unit when protected and played in a list that benefits from his abilities well.
His spell is one of the best in the game, but with zero bonus to cast you're getting it off like 1/4 the time. His command ability is good, but doesn't really play to Nurgle strengths. He's one of the few good combat units we have though!
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I realised I have the Epidemius model and was excited to make a list with him and then realised they changed his re-roll saves of 1 to a +1 contagion point. Like the whole point of Nurgle is resilience and they removed the whole increased resilience thing from him. Re-roll hits and wounds of 1 is nice, but our damage output is near zero outside of drones so it really means nothing. +1 contagion point is hilarious compared to summoning points from someone else. At this point, GW could triple our summoning points, reduce points by 20% and Nurgle still wouldn't be competitive I'm thinking.
I'm thinking perhaps just paint all the models I like, like Epidemius, in the hope that a new battletome is on the way!
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GW have no idea what they're doing . Plastic sisters taught them that sometimes the moaning and bitter complaints from some of their customer base can actually be turned into sales. They'll do as they did with sisters, tease individual models and rules ideas over the next 3 years and if the hype is as much, they might launch with multiple full armies. Otherwise it might just be a ruleset for existing models/aos models with some limited release of new models.
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That would also cost an insane amount of money lol.
But i might look at 2x3 units.
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Full Nurgle Maggotkin army for sale-
HEROES
Great Unclean One - Fully Magnetised and Painted- painted 1 head, Bell and Biled blade options. Comes with all other configurations though!
Lord of Plagues - Fully Painted
Chaos Sorcerer Lord - Slight conversion, unpainted
Daemon Prince- Painted
Epidemius, Tallyman of Nurgle - primed
Festus the Leechlord - primed
Gutrot Spume - Base layer painted
Harbinger of Decay - primed
Horticulous Slimux - unpainted, assembled
Lord of Blights - primed
Poxbringer - Basic test paint job
Poxbringer - Basic test paint job
Spoilpox Scrivener - Primed
Sorcerer - Painted- top of staff snapped off though!
The Glottkin - Painted- both characters mostly finished painted, still separate, one magnetised. Tongue thing still to be glued to the big arm.BATTLELINE
30x Plaguebearers- Painted- some tops of swords snapped off, standard bearer standard snapped off
30x Plaguebearers- as above
10x Putrid Blightkings- Some small bits snapped off6x Nurglings- primed, some on sprues
6x Plague Drones - 3 painted- standard bearer standard partly snapped off, 3 unpainted, riders separate3x Nurgle Trees
Nurgle Warscroll Cards/tokens
Nurgle Battletome
Battlefoam Large trays for plaguebearers, blightkings and smaller heroes.
Total points - 4,320pts
Total cost new - £815
If you'd like pictures of anything in particular let me know.
Pickup in London preferred- Bad Moon Cafe would be best! Otherwise might be able to sort out alternate arrangements.
Looking for £450
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Excited about new fantasy models. But if I'm having to buy £500 of resin to play rank and file, then i'm not interested in the game. But more models!
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3 hours ago, zilberfrid said:
What I want:
- Replacing metal and finecast for plastics. This would make it easier for GW to have less differing processes.
- Adding a Cities terrain piece. Cities are defined by buildings. Not having that was baffling.
- Cities Underworld/Warcry/RPG warband. With a Witch hunter, Priest and proper general (and some elves and dwarves)
- Updates for the earliest 2.0 books.
- Expansions for the smallest armies.
Updated Nurgle battletome is desperately needed! By far the weakest chaos force right now which is a shame as it has a big selection of great minis.
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Wonder how many of the big Khorne Dragon they've sold. Would love a whole range of Titan-Class AoS models, but AoS in general seems to have barely any Forge World stuff in games compared to 40k. Suppose the fact 30k stuff can mostly be played in 40k helps a lot too. Would also be good to get better rules for chaos dwarves - there's a few of them in tournaments right now but a few new models and high power level rules would be great.
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AoS got me back into it. Complex rules in 40k and WHFB put me off (as did my perception of the player base). AoS' simple rules were really attractive, and the AoS 1.0 thing of big models on a table with simple rules was exactly what I wanted. Plus the AoS player base (in London at least) is fantastic- loads of interesting and nice people!
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10 minutes ago, Eevika said:
I use the maggotkin battletome
As in you use the allegiance? No one is saying that skaven is underpowered! We're saying maggotkin units are!
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3 hours ago, Eevika said:
Hey I play nurgle and can easily beat top tier armies its just that I have 80 plague monks, a Verminlord Corruptor and Plague Furnace doing all the work.
Let's differentiate between maggotkin and "Nurgle", which for pestilens is really a technicality!
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42 minutes ago, peasant said:
Nurgle IS in horrible shape now. Probably the worst 2nd edition book.
Easy fixes-
1-20% point cost reduction across the board.
2-Make Blades of putrefaction/BK exploding attacks on "natural roll of a 6" instead of 6+
3-Make GUOs the spellcasting baddasses they should be and give them some bonus to cast. They're literal manifestations of Nurgle himself, they should be able to beat most wizards and be able to cast their spells in the game. I know it's a tired point, but compare to any verminlord and they're way, way, way overcosted. They do zero combat damage, they're pure buff pieces, but they're huge points for spells which cast half the time IF the opponent doesn't try to dispel. In the current meta, you're getting 1/5 spells off if you're lucky.Having said that, 3x GUO thricefold is great as long as you're not playing Nagash or similar top level casters.
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TGA Cities of Sigmar GHB 2020 Feedback Thread EDIT: OP updated with popular suggestions 24/2/20
in Cities of Sigmar
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Always find these kind of threads interesting because they show how variable the meta must be in different AoS communities. I can't see Cities getting many points reductions really. I imagine battlemages will go up to 100/110 because battlemage spam in Hallowheart is so potent. Dark elf stuff will likely go down a bit because they're so underused everywhere. But I find the scale of points decreases suggested here a bit laughable. Cities is top 3 right now, no way are they going to make it more powerful.