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4 hours ago, Sleboda said:
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@TwiceIfILikeIt and I jumped on the site about 10 minutes before opening. We each had a window open to the Queue-it launch page and also to the "hidden" page (delete a bunch from the URL - get a different page). On each page our queue ID was the same (different for each of us/device, but the same within each account). We also each opened a page on our phones, each using the same (per person, different accounts for each of us) account. The queue IDs on our phones did not match those on our PCs.
Interestingly, our wait times were different from each other (as expected) and different on each device, even within the same account. For instance, my PC showed about a 40 minute wait time. After that, I opened my phone version and got a ... wait for it ... 6 minute wait time. My my.
So, we had six options (four of which were actually unique queue IDs), and the one that signed on last (my phone) got in waaaaay ahead of the others.
Bottom line: I got my freakin' limited $215 book! Yay me!
I have put several posts up about it on several places over the last week, as the Queue system is easily exploitable. Without installing anything extra on my PC, no addition devices and with next to no work I was able to 'reserve' 6 individual spots in the queue during last weeks pre-order for the ghosts (I did this to prove to people that called me out saying it couldn't be done and was only in the queue long enough to take the screenshots as to not withhold spots from people legitimately trying to get in and buy) This can be done multiple times across devices as well, I just had no intention of abusing it past showing that it could be done.
Which is one of a couple of reasons I refused to buy the copies of this launch set in the end. I went and spent my money on different stuff completely. GW lost two sales of the set (I'd have brought one for my own collection and one for my gaming group to paint up loaner armies & a book for the group to read- we are still playing 1st Ed but all love new art/lore/battleplans etc) plus I'm highly unlikely to buy into any of the new orcs models from their single release or early battletomes now.
I honestly think what GW have done over the last few weeks is disgusting and refuse to support it. I'm not out there crying that others shouldn't buy it- If you are fine with sitting in a virtual queue on a weekend then its no bother to me. I love the hobby and love seeing people get excited and buy new stuff. But my hobby is meant to be fun- not a chore. They've decided that enough people are happy to jump through hoops to buy AoS, but its not for me or my group. Not when there are huge amounts of alternatives.
I even pointed out to GW that the Queue system is ridiculously easy to exploit and received no answer. 🤷♂️ If people are happy that they are sitting in a Queue because some folk are abusing the system put in place to try and stop the abuse that was taling place in the standard system and GW don't give monkeys, then I'm not sure I should worry about it either. If I ever decide that sitting in a virtual queue is the hobby for me, I know how to exploit it and I also now know that no one is bothered if I do! 😁-
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7 hours ago, Enoby said:
In other news, I am quite sad about the official stance GW has taken against 3D printed conversion parts.
I totally get not wanting full 3D printed models in an official tournament, but it does suck that small conversions that could not be done with GW official stuff cannot be used in tournaments or White Dwarf, despite the rest of the model being GW official.
Looks like most of my army will never see White Dwarf due to some head conversions
The way around this is so easy. Grab a spare 3d printed head and whack it in a 2 part oyumaru mould. Now cast a couple of green stuff versions of the heads. Pop the green stuff versions and the two part mould in your hobby box and when they question the part, if they even notice it it in the first place, just tell them you sculpted the first version of the head then copied it and made multiple green stuff versions that you cleaned up for the rest of the army.
The only way they could then disprove this is if they started to scratch paint off your models- the first instance of anyone hearing them do this would lead to an online storm that official GW tournaments would never recover from.
That or of course just play in places that don't have such requirements. GW would very quickly change their stance once they notice a huge drop in players.-
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58 minutes ago, Still-young said:
It was on the queue page.
Perfect- thank you. I had someone tell me that it wasn't randomised and by the time I could check it the preorder rush had ended and the store was back to normal.
That's even worse news then. I'm certainly not even going to try and buy a copy, the queues will be insanely massive, there will be more traffic than ever. The randomisation makes its even more likely that even 'regular' folk will exploit the system. Its totally ridiculous at this point.-
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5 minutes ago, Still-young said:
If you’re there before 10 you get put in the queue randomly, anyone after 10 gets added on the queue in order. The 10 minutes is once you get through the queue onto the store.
Do you know where the randomisation was confirmed? I heard this a couple of times but couldn't find proof. I did find that queue is hugely exploitable, and its even more so if the the pre-10 is randomised. You can basically hang on to your spot after the ten mins even if its not randomised, its an awful system tbh and doesn't need any fancy software/vpns/etc to do so.
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4 hours ago, Cordova said:
I can't comment on the veracity of the content, but this makes interesting reading: https://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/798855.page
Interesting, but I don't buy it. If this was something that a random staff member knew enough about to tell this story to a customer in great detail, they'd be able to communicate this to people openly. If this was some higher ranking member of the team telling a random customer, they'd also be allowed to communicate this to the whole community.
What was more likely to have taken place was a conversation where a staff member was hassled by a customer and then said 'This is probably what happened'. And even then this story doesn't explain why GW would try to scrub the game/mentions from online when if this is what is being told to random customers, then they could have again put a WarComs article up- Sorry it was popular, we can't get more in a reasonable time frame due to covid/china printing.
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13 minutes ago, GeneralZero said:
I know the official price in € 155, but what is the GW price in UK in £ ?
£125 according to the spreadsheet
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10 hours ago, Kaleb Daark said:
Optimist is my middle name.
if i was being realistic I’d say two to four minutes with 90% of people being held in the que for 30-45 minutes only to be spat out afterwords as the website melts down.
The queue system is easily exploitable. Its a band aid over the problem anyway- sat in a virtual queue or refreshing a broken web page has the same end result where the user can't buy the product they want. All GW have done by implementing queue is invite even more traffic as it doesn't take anything fancy to reserve multiple spots for yourself in the queue- No VPN, no scripts, no Bots. Just what most people have installed on their PC anyway.
The Queue also shifts the blame with issues on to the community. A broken webpage is GW fault. Long queue times is seen as it being down to it being so popular- the fault of the community. They use queue as its 'psychologically' a more positive customer experience than seeing a broken webpage, even though the end result is identical.
The fact that its so easily exploitable that queue times are going to be be even longer than last week is too much for me. I've better things to be doing on a weekend than sitting in a virtual queue and I certainly won't be buying anything from this release at the increased price when they piecemeal it in a few weeks time. I love those new orc minis but I'm spending the money I'd have done on this release and brought a ton more oathmark plastics. My group would have stuck with 1st Ed rules anyway but we'd have used a lot of the more narrative elements of this edition, as well as all the new models including buying more of the new orcs as they get their stand-alone release. We all agreed that sitting in a queue for a 'chance' at buying the set isn't worth the time lost.
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2 minutes ago, Kadeton said:
Other wargaming companies I've dealt with have had printed books as an option for those who don't mind them going stale quickly. They still offer all their rules online, updated any time an errata is needed.
The point is not "Get rid of books," it's "Stop letting the deficiencies of physical media dictate your update cycle."
Perhaps the point should rather be 'Stop letting a company dictate the update cycle of your hobby'.
If people stopped buying into the update cycle as it is now, it would force GW to make better effort to have books/points/warscrolls/rules done correctly at release and not need to be redone every 6 months or so.
1 hour ago, Kadeton said:Compared to digital distribution of the same material? Extremely doubtful. All the development, editing, layout and artwork costs are roughly the same, but physical books have a significant cost per unit to print and transport. There are still some logistical costs with digital books, but they're massively lower than physical ones. I doubt GW's margin on books is a significant earner compared to model sales.
Businesses far smaller than GW are able to simply write off the costs of producing high-quality rulebooks and distribute them digitally for free.
They are really not that much lower. Digital books have a lot of 'behind the scenes' costs past the initial design & sale that people tend to forget about, and knowing GW don't exactly have a crack IT team as it is (They can't even keep the website up & running on the one day a week it needs to be) I can imagine the amount man hours wasted bringing digital books for sale mounting up to close to that of a physical book.
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12 hours ago, Lucio said:
Found a better theory instead of lawsuit as to why Cursed City disappeared.
Rule of Origin
Brexit has caused some pretty big problems with what you can, and cannot class as "made in the UK", and I'm betting cardstock, rulebooks etc. are printed in China.
Getting this wrong can add huge costs on the import of goods, enough to make a product unviable.
Doubtful that this is an issue. It would have cost pennies for them to through in an updated sheet of paper with corrections, or adding a sticker to the boxes over the 'made in UK' part with the updated info. Companies do this all the time when a mistake or update is needed on packaging on an otherwise good product.
11 hours ago, Vasshpit said:I'm sure Annika & Kritza were supposed to be expansion villians as well with their own stories and the father daughter hunter team were suppose to be heros. Its not game breaking but i really believe Annika should have a summon fell bat unit ability and Kritza should of had some kind of tie in rat model summon ability like how the other Vyrkos have their summon dire wolf abilities.
The hunter team was in Broken Realms though- which means they either knew that Cursed City wasn't going to be a long term product months ago and flat out lied to people about it or that the models were pulling double duty in the first place, which probably meant that they had no intention of keeping Cursed City long term and having the models ready to go in BR when Cursed City was done with. The BR books and the boxes for the Hunter team would have been printed months ago, long before they were telling people that Cursed City was going to stay on shelves.
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On 5/26/2021 at 2:15 PM, WarbossKurgan said:
I'll cross post them here too
The books are from lots of different sources: The loaded shelves are from the inside of the Luminark / Hurricanum kit. The biggest one on the floor is from Belisarius Cawl. The rest are Flagellants and Grey Knights. The white ones are thick plasticard wrapped in thin plasticard.
Superb, thanks for sharing them here too! I just brought a spare Luminark actaully, for pretty much the same purpose, such a great bits kit. I'm torn between using the books for some custom skirmish terrain or for a necromunda tile I'd been wanting to do for ages! Perhaps I'll have to get another spare kit and do both. The plastic card books are great, I thought they might have been foamcard but I'd not been able to figure out how you got the curve on the spine, but plasticard is a much better idea!
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Love the new orcs, don't like the name its a touch too much a Blood Bowl team name.
Love the new sculpts on both sides. Tad annoyed the new orcs are as large in scale as they look, as its going to be harder to mix them with the already huge collection of other orcs I have from other collections, but I kind of expected that anyway to be honest. Want to paint those orcs so much though. I've always been a greenskin collector, but always Goblins, grots, snotlings and very rarely do I paint orcs/ork.
Love the shields, though they do appear to me as if they were meant to be squig faces and the 'Oh they don't know what Kragnos looks like' seems like something they slipped into the love to cover for the fact that these orcs are missing squigs now or for inserting Kragnos into their lore.
Love the stormcast chariot. Its not the best sculpt but I'm pleased that chariots are back as I keep buying them from elsewhere and want to see more races get new ones.
Core book art is one of the best bits of AoS art we've had so far. Seen a lot more art in the past couple of months that I think is much better than the usually AoS art they've been using.
Nothing in the rules talk that says to me that we really needed to move from 2nd ed to a 3rd, and nothing at all that makes me think that my group will switch from our games of 1st & skirmish.
DO NOT like they basically introduced this set by doing the FOMO 'We made lots, buy it quick, quick, quick.' Which just says to me they didn't make anywhere near enough (why would they, how would they shift these models and new starter sets later on at increased price points if this was available to all that want it). And then they were cagey about the prices 'inferring' that it is about the same size content wise as the 40k one, which says to me it will be at a higher price point. No mention of a MTO, though I don't expect they would, as AoS isn't as popular as 40k.
If I am able to order this set in the 7 minutes its available, I'm likely to expand the Orcs with the other kits. Many of the stormcast will be converted to chaos warriors, so that's another set or two of Slaanesh kits that will brought alongside them. Plus I tend to paint armies up for group to use/borrow for campaigns, so that's the chance more kits get brought if they want other stuff added to the borrowing armies from this set. But if its too much of a hassle to buy, sells out or as I've most commonly been affected by when ordering in the couple of years- overselling the item and not informing me then I won't be making further purchases this edition. I'm already not thrilled at the prospect at getting up and hammering the refresh button (which just adds to the issue) in hopes that I can get a copy before the website zonks out or it sells out. Really takes the fun out the hobby and feels like a chore. GW might not care about one person not being able to buy this, but it really will affect quite a number of sales going forward over the next year or two from my group for sure. I'll spend the money that was going in to this into more oathmark& Victrix kits most likely.-
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12 minutes ago, Darnok said:
I fear nothing they show can live up to the hype.
I also hope for something concerning the availability of the box - please don't do another Cursed City to us!
I'm not sure I'd even believe them even if the outright said 'We know Cursed City was a mess, we promise that you will all get this box without issue!'. Shadow war, Cursed city and multiple black library books & other releases have left me with some ill will towards their ability to deliver on their hype promises.
I just hope the models are worth the effort of attempting to order, as right now there are a million and one other companies to order from that I can order at anytime of the week when it suits me and not have to go chasing weeks later to find out if I've won the lottery of allocation.
Oh well, we will soon find out.-
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36 minutes ago, Aidrox said:
Aye weekends are a very silly time for things like this in my opinion. People are more likely to be free in the week
I still find it baffling that GW choose a Saturday morning to do pre-orders/releases, when they have no customer service staff on to deal with problem with online issues or stores are either not open at all or just opening their doors at 10 (5 minutes after things have gone up for pre-order and 7 minutes after everything has sold out). Not to mention, there is no real reason for GW to have preorders at all. Its one of the most archaic shopping experiences ever.
The only thing I can think off that they want people tuning in to twitch is that it keeps you in that warhammer bubble- there are people out that are planning their whole weekend around being able to tune into it tonight. It keeps customers locked in that warhammer mindset even when not actively being advertised too.
21 minutes ago, Jefferson Skarsnik said:I mean these previews always have quite a lot of stalling and dead air, for an impatient type like me there's definitely something to be said for just looking at the rumour thread or the WarCom article after the fact and getting all the info in one go
Being teased by a corporation is broadly quite a tedious experience imo
I'm the same, which is why I hate things like the rumour engine. I want to see the model/s & rules and decide if I want to buy them. A good percentage of the time, by the time we've seen the rumour engine bits time and time again, then shown the model, then shown them again at some other preview, then shown them the sunday before on WarCom, I'm totally sick of them by the time ordering comes up. I'd be far more impulsive if they went here's a model, here's the price.
I won't watch the twitch stream anyway as I hate twitch anyway and those videos are always a really poor way to show off models. Can't zoom in on details, can't take a good look at them with out all the flashy graphics, or chat or people talking over them or moving on from them too quickly. As interested as I am in seeing the new models, I'll go watch a film in a minute and wait for WarCom to put up a post or for someone to collate all the pictures here. If there is an interview I'll wait till I can download it from youtube and watch it at my own leisure.
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1 minute ago, King Under the Mountain said:
Midnight here, dont think ill make it. I don't remember other reveals being this late
They've changed the time to be later in EU/UK on the last reveal, so its now at 6pm here, which is a better time for quite a lot of their audience I guess.
Honestly, I'd not mind if it was in the middle of the night for EU, as I hate watching twitch streams anyway and would rather just look over the contents on the following the blog post without seeing the millions of posts on social media about it before getting to seeing it first hand myself. I'd be happy to wake up and get to see the WarCom article first.-
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6 minutes ago, Greybeard86 said:
But if you play frequently with strangers, they are a strong default.
I'm not a very sociable person at all, so perhaps I'm missing a part of the puzzle, but I've still never understood this as a defence at not being able to fix an issue themselves for a game. Who are these travelling sales people that only play with strangers week after week? Now, I totally get that there are tournament players that will travel and play with strangers, but then tournaments often put out a rules pack that alters the rules or define expectations to stop any miscommunications when potentially playing with strangers.
I just have this image every time this is brought up of the people that refuse to talk to their opponent before a game, only to show up one week and having accidentally discovered their opponents name they've now had to stop playing them.
Warhammer is a pretty geeky hobby still and whilst Gw have done everything they can to bring in those mainstream dollars, the hobby is still filled with geeky people that love to talk about their hobby, the game, their armies. But they can't have a five minute discussion prior to playing a game about rules or their proxied models or their kit bashes or any of the other things that might affect someone else's enjoyment of a game?
I'm not knocking anyone else's hobby with this, but I'm just baffled by the amount of people that mention playing with strangers, when it really must be the smallest percentage of all players in the hobby.
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36 minutes ago, Udalriki said:
To pass the Time until the Preview (and to Hype myself even more) I Updated the Speculation Board a last Time and wanted to include every Breadcrumb which we got and some speculations from the Community and myself. I am eagerly waiting to see the new Boyz and wanted to say that the last weeks were a lot of fun for me to read the discussions and speculations. I am not a native english speaker and kinda busy because of my studies so I lurk more but I am really glad I found this Community. So I wish you all a Splendid Evening with the Dominion Preview.
I get annoyed at the rumour engine type reveals, its not really my sort of thing, but this I totally love.
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On 5/28/2021 at 11:35 AM, OkayestDM said:
I know necromancy is sometimes frowned upon, but I can think of no better thread to pull back from it's rest. *snip*
I don't know if the necromancy that is stopping people from posting here or if the forum has just become a salt mine, but these sort of threads do wonders for the hobby, but the lack of new replies both here and in other hobby threads is kind of telling of how the AoS hobby has shifted in the past year. But in hopes that we can pull more positivity back, I'll add to it as well.
I've found myself struggling to get back into anything productive hobby since finishing up a rather horrid year of Uni and my work contract finishing. I've spent months daydreaming off all the things I was going to paint as soon as it was done and now I just can't commit to a project. So I thought I'd chip away at the 'Mortal Citizens' initiative, which is to build a model(s) with the theme of the month, which can be read about in full detail, over on Warboss Kurgans blog here: https://warbosskurgan.blogspot.com/2021/01/mortal-citizens-orruk-skypirates.html#Diplomat
I had a few ideas for some of the months, but the first two I struggled with but ended up going with some nighthaunt models . January's was a Diplomat and February was for a messenger.
This 'Diplomat' ghost goes from town to town (or muddy village) recruiting the towns to its cause. Haunting the townsfolk with nothing but an eerie cry of 'Ssssssssssssign', the ghost won't leave until someone signs the towns name to his parchment, where he will then vanish until reappearing in a new town some months or even years later. To date, no town has been given any indication of what they've signed up for...
The messenger I may have taken a few liberties with the theme, as I struggled to come up with a good idea for him, but then thought what sends a better message than taking the heads of your enemies with the sweep of a scythe! Needs some greenstuff to fill the gaps before I spray a whole batch of ghosts.
Pretty pleased with my Slaaneshcast/chaos warrior kit bashes that I did a few months back during a rare moment of hobby time, I wanted something less 'spikes and chains' chaos and more like silks and gems. Need to get them finished up so I can start a new batch, as I really enjoy painting these colours.
I'm looking forward to the reveal tonight, I'm hoping that I really like the new destruction army. My group are still playing first edition and I'm unlikely to buy into much of 3rd Ed, so the launch set will likely be the only purchase I make this edition (Unless we get Grotbag Scuttlers or Chaos Dwarves) I like the new stormcast but those alone won't be enough to make me want to buy the set, but it would be nice to have the book etc as part of my collection, even if I don't intend to switch editions.
I think AoS in a very good place for hobbyists right now, but in a precarious situation. Its straddling the two sides of the old world- it was put together from the left overs of WFB and with the new old world game incoming, it will rely on people showing off what can be done with the game/hobby, rather than complaining about the rules/releases all the time. I'm guilty of this too and trying to spend more time posting hobby content, but its difficult when things like the complaints threads attract the most conversation.-
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2 hours ago, Mcthew said:
The more this community moves to preserving the good of AoS, ignoring the hype, the next new thing, homebrewing proper rules etc the better for the hobby, rather than for GW - who might supply the game and models... but remember, it is us, the players, that keeps the game alive.
This is the answer to almost all the issues that people have with the hobby as a whole, but sadly so many people are stuck in the mindset that it needs to be official and from GW to be used. People can hobby however they like, we all like different aspects after all and perhaps some people are only wanting the out-of-box & official experience, but I've never understood the mindset of people that want that but continue to pay for products that they don't think offer that experience.
I've said it a million times here in the past month, but the quicker people can learn to separate the hobby from 'TheHobby©™', which is the commensalistic side of GW that a high percentage of the complaints are usually about, the longer the game will survive.Yes, we should be able to buy a polished product from GW, but they've proven time and again that they are happy with how they release rules and how they make money and they won't change until the market forces them too.
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4 hours ago, Chikout said:
Less than twelve hours to go now!! I'm very curious to see how much stuff they squeeze into the box. I would be willing to pay more if they upped the contents to match. Some Stormcast cavalry and some troggoths would be amazing.
Same. I'd be happy to be paying slightly more if they really are cramming in a ton of stuff. I don't like the new way they did the 40k starter sets, so if a launch box is all I'm going to get, I'd rather spend a bit more and have everything in one hit.
I'm really hoping that the new army is spot on to my tastes, as this is very likely to be my only purchase for 3rd Ed at all and as much as I like the stormcast that has already been shown, I'm not going to buy the set if I don't like the new destruction army. The stormcast are likely to just sit on the already large pile of 'I'll do these one day, but for now these are chaos warrior conversion fodder'. -
Still appears to be no official word on the BR boxsets that the price list went up for. Seems very strange.
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I've no horse in this race, as I don't really follow new rules or tomes as I'm someone that stuck with the older edition and has no current plans to use any book past 1st or 2nd ed. But from the outside my view on this is:
- Its a narrative game made by people that want to make stuff for narrative/fun reasons but are very likely to be be headed up by suits with sales/money over, meaning that rules will sometimes boosted depending on what they want/need to sell more of.
- Whilst we know that there is a team putting together the AoS content, we've no idea who is coming or going in that team or how constant it is on a regular basis. Things will get overlooked if battletomes are being put together with some bits from the main team, a warscroll from the intern, a battalion from a chap that left and didn't leave the rest of the rules that they made to go along with it... The change in BL staff and then comments from one of their team that suggests that this version of AoS is moving away from Lore/style that was being worked towards at the start of Soul wars might have had an affect on the rules as well.
- AoS already has a terrible identify crisis on its hands. Born from the left overs of WFB, which it is still trying to sell kits from. And they probably don't want to stray too far into the old world styled content for fear of loosing sales on its release when people can port over their AoS collection. Its a weird in the middle game that will always suffer for it.
- Excellent games don't help push sales. If everything was polished and checked before release, they couldn't then flip the next book or GHB or update which all help push more model sales during 'dead' release periods.
- Different people like different things. I suspect some of the design team all have something they like the most from AoS and that gets incorporated in to their side of the design.
- Laziness/reward scaling. Why would they bother making a balanced battletome when they know it will sell anyway. Even with all the complaints as of late, they sell out of almost everything and keep reporting huge profits. Why would they eat into those profits by play testing more or spending time updating books after release when that will not guarantee any more sales.
- The short lifespan of editions/books. They must have some pretty tight deadlines for many of these books to get them done before they have to start working on a new version. Theirs also the chance that a book being made now isn't being tested against books we have access too- delays may mean they were designed to play with now outdated lists or lists that might be released in the future. They might be play testing a whole bunch of rules and lists right now to only see half of them scrapped before the whole lot ever sees a release.
- GW doesn't do feedback or community interactions. It just happens that they do stuff that sometimes matches what people have asked for and it looks good on them to pat themselves on the back. Its purely coincidental. If they listened and acted on all the feedback they got, we'd all be playing a fully developed single edition, that is both updated and never changing at the same time, that was both perfectly balanced and bursting with narrative, paying €1 per model max, alongside support for every game they ever ditched and would have all received a free copy of Cursed City by now.
- One thing GW has always been consistent with, and that is being inconsistent.
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4 hours ago, Enoby said:
It's a shame we haven't heard any more on BR Kragnos
You'd have thought that, with four new kits coming out that they'd have tried to hype them a bit more
I'm very surprised that we've not had anything about the rest of the release either, unless I've missed it but we've had no official word on the new BR sets that you posted the other day. We've seen the price list floating about but doesn't appear to be any confirmation of whats in them.
Either they've forgotten, don't want to make too much noise for them hoping people go mad for AoS3 instead or the quantity is so low that they know they will sell out without making too much of a fuss over them.-
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1 hour ago, Sleboda said:
This means you can't keep selling the game
This falls apart here though, as my 'local' stores only reopened after lockdown a couple of days ago and were selling copies on the shelf. These are official warhammer stores across the whole country too. If they couldn't keep selling them, they would have been pulled from shelves before opening.
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8 minutes ago, Feii said:
Hmmmm Twin Peaks you say? The gitz are not what they seem!
Kragnos Renault? Sigmars going to have to open the Bookhouse Chamber to deal with this!
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The Rumour Thread
in Age of Sigmar Discussions
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So yeah, common argument is GW don't care about two sets as they will sell. Sure, they will sell those boxes. They get their €300 for two boxes from someone else (unless this set is still sitting on shelves down the road). But they do miss out on my group buying further purchases for this edition. We stopped edition hopping ages back. We like 1st edition and had no intention of ever playing 2nd. But most of us are lore hounds and hobby nuts before gamers- Alone I've brought almost all the 2nd ed battletomes simply for the art/lore. Between us we've brought a ton of 2nd ed stuff to use in our 1st ed campaigns.
I'd have done the same with this new release- love the new orcs and would have collected them (books, at least one of each model) had I gotten this 'cheap' starter force for them. Not to mention picking up anything extra for the loaner army of them (I paint an awful lot of stuff for people to borrow here). That's where they are loosing future sales or having us buy from their competitors.
And it isn't about being sore for sitting in a queue for 10 mins. In my opinion the whole thing has been disgusting- from the video stream to today's pre-order. There is a ton of things that I just think were unnecessary to sell the game. Which to me is a real shame as its a really nice set, ruined by some utterly bizarre choices in their sales pitch. The game could have been sold on its own merits- great models, nicer looking art than what's been common to AoS (subjective ofc) and a really big box of plastic.
The icing on this cake was just that the Queue is exploitable and does nothing to fix the real issue with their releases, its a bandaid over the problem, it simply disguises what they don't want to fix. There is a number of things they could do to fix the issue that would mean there would be no waiting- people could log in, buy item, done. But I'm assuming that they don't want to risk their current profit, as this way is clearly works as they are making huge profit right now.
And that's fine. As proven from talking to people, very few people seem bothered by the issues when they've been pointed out and that's no bother to me. I really don't mind having an unpopular opinion on the situation.I don't let it affect my hobby and I would find it weirder if anyone let me being bothered by what's happened affect their own hobby.
Yes, this set is still available, but I also know that if people think the Queue system has worked well we will continue to see it. The next Horus Heresy book release will be fun. 40k is way more popular anyway and by supporting the queue system, I'm either setting myself up to have to sit in a very long queue down the road (quite often on a regular basis) or exploit the system myself to make sure I get in and get the book I want. I'd rather not do either of them to be honest so I'd rather just stop supporting the system from now in hopes that they change it for something fairer (ie not exploitable)