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After a few months playing STD i do think that knights almost always must be taken in units of 5 unless you really want a mobile anvil.
And i like ENS weapons more for 2 reasons:
1) more consistent damage output
2) they do not rely on charge. This is pretty huge because in some scenarios you are not able to charge without disrupting your placement on objective. Also in the charging factor you are forgotting to include the opponent: if they get charged they are simply done.
That being said, i do think that at 160 they are pretty good. In my list i use almost always 2 units of 5, they add some rend, mobility and they are Battleline for objectives.
Edit: oh and regarding the mark, the only one that imho rewards taking lances is slaanesh. Khorne works for both and Nurgle absolutely wants ENS weapons.
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8 hours ago, decker_cky said:
If you want an army based on Plaguetouched, its great. Remember that you can fill out the 7 nurgle units requirement with additional characters (the non-marked battalions allow only one character). If going in nurgle, you want some knights, 3 battleline, a sorcerer or two, a warshrine, and maybe a karkadrak. You're already at 7-8 units on that list.
Oh i know, i played Nurgle for 5 years and i used ptw when it was bonkers.
Anyway i am not saying that it is terrible, i do say instead that there are choices in the army that i rate higher.
If you wanna play in Nurgle tho my thought is quite the opposite, it is a great way to reduce drops and Nurgle has some great sinergies with slaves
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2 minutes ago, Jonko said:
tbh PTW is thing that gives your army even a chance, whitout it i say GL againt dino's. The thing that makes it worth its 2 drop and the mortalwound output when defending. Seraphon has near nothing against MW. So if i get attack by a blop of saurusguards with a lot of attacks or a carno it might delete my unit, but i all those woundrolls of 6 bite back. + a extra artifact for your battelion and spray D3 mortals on a 3+ might be just that extra you needed.
Fitting everything in is no problem at, especially now with the point drops. I have yet to paint my 40 marauders so i will use chaos warriors and knights mainly.
The ma in problem i have with ptw in STD is the following (i played half a dozen of games with it then dropped it):
You are paying 180 points in order to get:
-an extra artefact (since artefacts are not that great and realm artefact have been cut there isn't much to say, the only book artefact worth taking is diabolic mantle).
- an extra CP: all good there
- a bouncing MW on 6s to wound.
However you need to fill the 8 units requirements, you cannot include in it any Nurgle ally (Harbinger, lob) or STD daemon prince, warcry bands and such
The problem is that you come up with some min size unit that are nothing special.
I am not saying it is bad, i am saying that i think there is something better and more fun to play in this army.
Oh and btw it really is only good vs Saurus/Saurus guard, everything else in the Dino roster does not care about ptw.
The almost monodrop is nice tho. Is without a doubt the strongest marked battalion of the book
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9 minutes ago, Jonko said:
Salamanders are out with 30 point increase lol. But jeh i agree on nurgle being best suited for the job.
I was doubting to go nurgle allegiance with a full slaves army + rogtigus for some extra mortal wounds. But i think there might be no point with +2 Dispell and unlimited dispell range from slannpriest in serphon. I might get 1 spell off, not worth it. So i will probely stick with our STD book and go for nurgle despoilers + plaguetouch warband.
I do think that sallies are still in, they will not be spammed like before but they still rock.
I do not particularly like ptw tbh. Seems hard to fit everything in and you do not include DP or other things in it.
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26 minutes ago, Eldarain said:
That autocorrect is both very fitting for the content of your post and worrying that your device went there repeatedly
Loool didn't notice that. I am not an english speaker so the device traces the most similar word to heroes ahahahhaha
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9 hours ago, Jonko said:
Hey guys, what kind of list do you think works best vs seraphon? heavy magic, -1 damage weapons becouse of the scales. Nasty teleports etc.
Mainly talking desoilers now. Do you think go max damage khorn or like plaguetouch warband nurgle? -1 shooting from nurgle doenst matter this time becouse we play melee heavy.
I think plaguetouch can realy good since mortal wounds is a weakness of seraphon.
Because seraphon is in the meta with bastiladons and salamanders Nurgle becomes interesting as a mark of chaos. It will be almost impossible to snipe your herpes due to pitch black, -1 to hit from the general aura, -1 to hit from look out sir. From this after los check bastiladons are hitting herpes on 6s and everything else on 5s. Pretty useful.
The only thing that pushes Nurgle back is the nerfed daemon prince that right now is awful beyond imagination compared to the khorne one. In order to have paragon of ruin, aka the only despoilers trait you want, you need a prince that also becomes your general and the general aura in khorne/Nurgle is very important
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I do not honestly think that khorne is that bad as you are telling.
I mean, for sure is not the most competitive book out there but has strong sinergies, and Cool combos you can do. It is miles better than Nurgle for instance and STD slaanesh with the increase of the Cost of supreme sybarites isn't that spicy
My list there has some issues btw, i made it quickly and i do not think it has nearly enough mass to make it worth it. The battalion is very heavily costed too...
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Hello guys, i have a STD army, but since STD allegiance is utter ****** i wanted to try to play it in khorne. The list is updated with new points for GHB 2020 as far as we know.
Goretide
Karkadrak, Hew the foe, gorecleaver
Bloodsecretor, thronebreaker torc
Lord of chaos
40 marauders
2x5 warriors, shields
10 chaos knights
5 chaos knights
Chaos spawn
Chaos warshrine
Bloodmarked warband
1990/2000
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2 hours ago, red_moo said:
Thank you!! I have to say this look much different than what I was expecting. Have more questions than answers almost hah
What would you put in the first one instead of varanguard (purely because I dont have them :D)? And isn't two warshrines overkill?
And in second one having karkadrak with just 5 knights. How come? Why not more cuz of his buff?
Well knight of the empty throne isn't really playable without varanguards. Tho it isn't the most competitive build around.
About the second list i don't really think that the karkadrak's command makes knight worth expecially if you run them with one Hand weapons. Also knights are pretty meh for their point Cost, so i wouldn't run more than 5 unless you really want to play 10.
Warshrine is a must, 2 just have more reliability than one and in a list that wants to buff a 600 point unit i want more chance to get the +1 save
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On 3/28/2020 at 9:29 PM, red_moo said:
Hey!
Would you be willing to share the two lists? I'm splitting my head open trying to figure out what a competitive slaves army would look like where I could fit in a demon prince, chaos warriors and chaos knights. I can live with mandatory 20 to 40 marauders and 5 horsemen to zip around.
Thank you!
hey no problem.
kotet list was:
6 varanguard, plate, doom
sorcerer
lord
40 marauders
5 warriors
10 knights
2 warshrines
all nurgle marked
khorne despoiler list was:
DP, paragon, ethereal/soj/diabolic mantle
karkadrak, dimensional blade
lord
bloodsecretor
10 chosen
40 marauders
20 marauders
warshrine
5 knights
godsworn champion of ruin
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16 hours ago, Kurrilino said:
Well, StD are supposed to be that heavy armored forces.
If i like bunch of naked guys i play Khorne, if i want strong magic, i play Tzeench. So yes, people want to play warriors, knights and chariots.
It's like telling a Tzeench player, your army is stronger without magic and treachery and if you don't like it play another army.
This is you guys only and ever repeating argument. Go play another army.
But you know what? People play the warriors since 10+ years and don't want to play another army, they want their gaming experience, they had since forever.
So please spare me this, go play another army. If i want to ignore facts and look away if something is wrong, i would join a church.
But i want to play warhammer like i used to the last 10+ years. And yes, this book sucks epic, doesn't matter how you look at it.
while we are not a t1 book i managed to do pretty well with std so far.
i am 3-0 with despoilers (that i still think it's the strongest of the subfactions) and am right now trying a knight of the empty throne list, i am 6-1 so far.
in both list i rarely played more than 40 marauders, maybe once or twice in the despoiler one, in which i regularly play also chosens/knights.
just my 2 cents anyway
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1 hour ago, tamthethird said:
Excited to see if we get a reveal at the weekend. I’ve been painting up my Battleforce purchase in the colours of Slaanesh, but it would be very cool to be able to run an all mortal force with some Varanguard.
The Start Collecting will be a reboxing. New kits don’t go in SC boxes.
Could be a new hero instead of the CSL.
Honestly the kits in the SC! Are ok beside warriors. Since i doubt that we will receive anything new but endless spells i do not see them repacking that for nothing, it will include something new.
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3 minutes ago, minthras said:
Guys a little advice,the chaos warriors is better equip them with halberd or hand weapon? And Choas knight is better equip them with ensorcelled weapons or chaos glaives?
We really do not know how they will perform better with the new tome. Right now i'd go with glaives on knights and Hand weapon on warriors
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3 hours ago, BrocknerTheBear said:
@Agent of Chaos I second the 3+ save on the knights.
And as the mawtribes shows they are willing to continue with certain finecast miniatures, then I hope they keep the lord on demonic mount model around as he's one of the best models in the range.
Agree but it is actually pretty small. I am very concerned about chosen, it's lorewise my favorite unit along with varanguards
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The real deal is the mortrek guard. If you think that 440 for 40 of these guys with 3+/3+/6++ (5++ with boneshaper artefact) And Possible 5+ vs mortals (spell), with immunity to battleshock, rend, and movement 7 is weak...
Also batallion are super cheap so you can include it and not only get a command point EACH BATTLEROUND but also lower your drops.
The other choice i agree are pretty expensive (riders, morghasts and such). However those who complaint should have a look at other armies that are in a painful status right now.
Also do not forget 2+ r1 nagash and 3+ arkhan with all 6 spells from the lore+ realm spells.
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Well 4 years waiting to have STD be playable and now they are not doing any new miniature for them? With a 15y old range of warriors/marauders?
I love undivided chaos, but i am not giving them money for old and ugly miniatures for sure. So disappointed.
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I had recent success against slaanesh with an all mortal build. However i must say that BK are heavily countered by slaanesh in general because of their high wound count per model. Marauders on the other side are simply amazing for their cost against them.
Anyway do not go cyst, it's too much of a trap.
As general tips against them: 1) kill their heroes asap, without them they cannot summon 2) screen your pieces correctly and remember that they have a 3" reach on the claws but 2" on the sword (so deploy 2.5" behind the screen). 3) if they let you go first do not spread out because you automatically lose the advantage of being in a castle. If you get caught there is no turning back. 4) if you land a powerful buff on a unit do not charge multiple units because if you go last it will be obliterated. 5) Do not underestimate daemonettes, they can put out a lot of damage even in small numbers.
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1 minute ago, michu said:
Tell that to players that waited much longer for Ogors, new Keeper of Secrets and something for old Aelves. Mawtribes (formerly Gutbusters) and Slaanesh armies are not new armies, they were here since the beginning of AoS. Those players had the same rights to get their armies updated as you. And as most of them will surely be done with BT+Terrain+ES only, it still leaves rest of year for full StD Battletome.
I did not say that. Since they starter a cycle with the Heralds, it has more sense to finish it out that first. At least that is how i work and think: if i start something i finish it asap before starting something else.
Ogors/slaanesh players waited as much as me because archaon and varanguards came out as soon as age of sigmar arrived, putting everyone at 0. And guess what? They actually had a usable allegiance ability (doom&darkness played them pretty effectively on his channel), while STD has a bunch of useless warscrolls and maybe the worst allegiance ever made, with awful battle traits, command traits and artefacts.
About having updates meanwhile they are sure to have one, STD do not. Because it is all speculation, nothing is clear. I had a hint from a GW guy "STD are coming after khorne, max in july". This goes on every 3 months from a year and a half, someone heard SMT and posts, and everyone that wants that army to come out hopes again. Only to see his hopes being crushed. Every time, 1.5 years this way is very frustrating.
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29 minutes ago, adreal said:
Archaon is, he got a new model and a book release with that. What can slaves to darkness add to chaos that the God specific chaos doesn't already offer?
Slave to darkness are the base of the chaos undivided, they have nothing to do with specific god armies. Maybe before writing random things you should read the BG.
P.S. in 40k is the same.
11 minutes ago, michu said:@Kurrilino What is the proof? The herald - Darkoath Warqueen. All other Heralds got their books. And don't tell me she heralded Warcry - none of those warbands share the aesthetic with Warqueen, Chieftain and Shadespire warband.
The Herald came out 1.5 years ago. And while everyone else got the shiny battletome STD are not. And the thing that pisses me off the most is that it makes no sense to spread into new armies (mawtribes, slaanesh, new death for how awesome they can be) without completing that cycle.
@Kurrilino totally understand and agree with you. I suggest you to not sell the army tho.
I personally won't buy anything for age of sigmar at all until STD come out. If i do not get bored sooner, at this point everything is possible.
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I was stoked for the Possibility of using undivided chaos again.
GW disappoints me every time. How much do we have to wait for a battletome??!?? It's not like STD is a meaningless army, but they do not seems to care.
Harbingers bringing an army with them? Well maybe for the other 3, darkoath warqueen is still alone.
Salt.
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could you ask your source more infos about darkoath? Will it be a unified battletome like gitz?
also will come out models for warriors/knights/chosen or they will remain the same? That is my main concern as warriors of chaos undivided are my old love
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I am afraid. Really afraid that i will but everything and i will be crazy out of money for the rest of the year. Damn you GW!!!
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Waaaay awesome
Blightkings on drones are beautiful
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Hello , wanted to say a thing, don't know if it is a rumour or not:
Guo and epidemius aren't available for all the europe and US. Still on in Australia. What do you think?
AoS 2 - Slaves to Darkness 2 Discussion
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I would drop marauders horsemen, chariots and battalion in order to have more mass.
Also karkadrak is not that good without rend artefacts, expecially in khorne despoilers. I would drop him too.
This gains you 600 points if i am not mistaken.
40 more marauders are very much needed.
The last 280 are expedable between: chaos lord, manticore lord, chosens (10), allies.