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ohh good pt. i was thinking SC is what kinda made those pro gamer leagues originally. so would there even be a main pro league if SC never existed? SF

I'd say starcraft was. Also ya no way they would have a 2nd line of models for all the armies. Many can just use the aos models as whatever they need but with the new larger bases. The rest, a few new models to round out the old stuff. Sf

to be fair, some are wretched... the old lizardmen cold one riders are an abortion to model sculpts. no idea how those designs got through. it would have been better IMHO to just get forgeworld or something to make more expensive but nicer sculpts if they couldnt do it. I still dont beleive it wasnt possible to make better designs in that era in plastic. they are just SOOOO bad. SF

i thought it was stated kislev, cathay will be later -- like 2-3 years after ToW launches... i thought GW said that at the last convention Q&A or something so they are coming. just not right now SF

hmm. havent we seen all the seraphon/lizard stuff now for who knows how long? 1 and 3 look necron. the last one ork or those new 40k dwarves/ppl .. blanking on name. 2nd looks like the head of an arachnarok. SF

Love what it says for lizardmen assuming this is accurate. With them knowing TOW IA coming it doesn't make sense to, for example, make a plastic slann that can't be used in both. Now base size and if they can be in the 2nd rank of temple guard will be interesting to see. As someone before said, hoping for plastic larger dinos, new temple guard (that fit both aos and tow), and resin mazdamundi. I really want a plastic or resin green knight. I imagine that would sell even for those that don't play TOW. Certainly many high level/contest painters would have fun with that. Love the paladin sf

Bit surprised at how many don't like resin models Sf

Still sad no plastic dread saurian or thunder lizard or something sf

Aren't they just chameleons with the specific troop name? Sf

Which makes sense but isn't that always true. Take seraphon/lizards. You don't need the new slann. You can still use the old one. Got 50 cold ones? Use a base insert and don't buy the new aggradons, etc. There will always be people who will spend as little as possible and they need ppl to just start the game immediately but you do need brand new updates and new showpiece to really drive sales. Also, I can't imagine there won't be a way to use aos models in tow. It makes no business sense. You want as many buying models as possible. So for those that don't play aos what's to make them want to buy those models? (Not counting pure painters) Even some other companies started to advertise their models can be used for d&d in the huge dnd resurgence with 5e. Who cares what dragon they buy tp use as a red dragon, as long as its from your company. Sf

Agreed. They need new models and also examples or accessories like base inserts to help use sigmar models in TOW. Another issue is if they just re-release the old models, many ppl who want to play TOW may already have them. Gw is a model company first. They need ppl to buy models. I don't see hype to buy models from 10-20 years ago. Especially not some of the derpy looking models in some of the armies. Sf

i hope the tail feathers are optional on the new lizard mounts. be annoying to have to cut it and resculpt the tails. SF

im hoping the seraphon stuff (including kroak) can be used for The Old World although not sure how to get slann/kroak to be ranked into a protected group with how elaborate their bases are...espec kroak. slann maybe just have it floating higher on a square base. SF

at 1:22:20 of the twitch stream, on the upper left - - new large tyranid monster? overall, bit underwhelmed. the new krox i like for the most part. actually dont like the 2nd build design for them. the heads look - strange. prefer the default. the new mounts - not a fan of the tails. like the design of the scar vet one. i wonder if that model is part of the box or a solo hero kit. Overall on the range - nothing, IMHO, that really screams OMG i gotta have that even if i dont play warhammer etc (maybe the slann), but nice range. (adding in addition the chameleons from warcry) I'll be getting the krox, chameleons, the scar vet on the new mount for sure, some saurus and the slann. Will have to see what happens in TOW to decide what to do next. regards SF

Space marine lieutenant/captain with a lion pelt on his belt... I'm calling it . Maybe standing on the 15th variation of a rhino sf

Just seraphon/lizards. Specifically a new big Dino... something bigger than the steg etc. Maybe something that Whitefang didn't hear about etc. But I'm not expecting much now. That said new krox and saurus Knights will be cool. I do expect those. A Skink on a couatl would rock.. but i doubt that as well. Sf

i still think krox and new cav are happening. the cav just look to bad to be able to ever use as a promo pic for the seraphon/lizardmen. they cant allow them to exist any longer and krox people have been screaming for since 7e (instead of the metal ones that came out back then). *come on thunder lizard !!!! * SF

thank you. im still holding out hope that there's some new big dino, etc that no one knows about yet as a surprise but thanks. saw your name mentioned on DakkaDakka so decided to come here and see the madness as it happens SF

any more seraphon/lizardmen info? SF

woah! where is that from? i want that!!! SF

why didnt they make the skinks ride those instead of those new mounts... those look cool! SF

i read online from scoopers and heard from some management that lizardmen didnt sell as well as they had hoped over time, so they were being squated essentially and wont see new models under the new game coming out. so i sold most of my models. but with ToW coming and the new plastic release, will get the models i like and hopefully be able to play ToW. i have the finecast Gor-rok, the 6e slann, the new plastic lord kroak, couple skink priests. i think i have a stegadon somewhere... maybe the carnosaur i hope. SF

Tk were always more interesting IMHO... but in 6e, from what i recall, they needed absolute understanding to get them to work well. you wouldnt be able to 'luck one out' really. I once saw a 3k tourney list with settra and it was a thing of beauty. chariots moving all over the place, crashing into enemy units. stunning to watch compared to a dumb dino player like me. Lizardmen move forward....rawr SF

i want to see 65 i pasted the pics a page or 2 back of the current cold ones and the rumored cold one on the ogre hunter. i do see similarities. as long as it has a more organic look and actual proper hands/claws, i think they cant be as bad as now. SF

i always thought this was intentional. Similar to how after 3e, D&D moved away from real world dinos (along with fantasy/magical ones). the carnosaur isnt quite a t-rex, spinosaur, allosaur, etc. stegadon is a mix of like 3 or 4 dinos. bastiladon is a roided armadillo with a messed up face, etc. SF