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It's good to have a break, honestly. Miniature wargames aren't video games, we need time to build and paint our armies. Having constant new stuff every week is really not helping.
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7 hours ago, AquaRegis said:
They sell the magazines at this price, because 1. it brings in new people and 2. thier sales department calculated that they will still make a profit despite selling them at a "discount".
If you think the GW magazines are sold to make a profit, you're sorely mistaken. It's the standard "sell an entry product at a loss, let something else elsewhere absorb the cost". That's why indies can't afford to do the same : it only works with big corporations like GW that are so diversified in their sales they can do this. That's also why GW doesn't do that for the whole range of their products : if they did, they would go bankrupt.
7 hours ago, JerekKruger said:I wouldn't be surprised if both get resin sculpts to be honest.
Honestly they don't really need it, they got nice sculpts in 6th and 7th (metal molds should still be in GW hands).
Even though the old minis in 4th are still charming.
Ungrim didn't get a new miniature in 8th, he was stuck with the old 4th edition one. That's why he got a new sculpt, IMHO. -
TBH if GW wants to bring back the old miniatures of Bugman rangers for TOW, they'll do so and write something about it in the TOW lore. We will already have the slayer models from Storm of Chaos, so why not Bugman.
I wouldn't be surprised if Tyrion and Teclis will be the high elf special characters, at this point. -
6 hours ago, Vasshpit said:
Are the 3d goblins Highlands Miniatures swamp goblins? The one with the frogs instead of squigs?
Yes that's the one. Very cool designs, my opponent did print them at 100% so they look a bit bigger in comparison to the tiny GW ones. The base size change really benefits them on that matter.
Sadly, my opponent isn't the painter type and there's a good chance for them to stay that way.
I must say they have a lot of details that make them a bit annoying to paint in big numbers, IMHO.
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I finally got my base adapters and rebase my Mangler Squigs as well. I did play a game against a vile 3D printed unpainted army (kidding : their name is the Swamp Ghosts, so it's totally in their lore
). Goblins vs goblins, so goblins can't lose !
Well, 3D print won in the end.
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14 hours ago, Tonhel said:
I fear it is becoming too expensive.
Maybe it is. Each time price increases, that fear comes as well. Will that be the breaking point, or will we keep on ? Future will tell - and if the answer is "yes", it will be 3D printing.
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4 hours ago, JerekKruger said:
Is Bugman around in the time of TOW? If so has his brewery been burnt down already?
Old fluff seems to imply the events of his brewery were quite old. They didn't give dates in later mentions in the last editions of Battle. So it's entirely possible, given dwarves live for centuries.
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17 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
Don't you think the 3D guys that "get inspired" by GW minis are something good for the game? Like how piracy was proved to be good for video games?
Before programming I did some tee designs and if it would be for me even those should disappear completely, as they are blatant copies in many cases, but I have the feeling they are beneficial for the game ecosystem in one way or another.There is a significant difference doing it for real free and getting money profiting on it. Emang did start "for the greater good", yes, but the 3D printer shops that eventually sell his works didn't have such principles. They did it for business, they did it for money - and they couldn't even hide the slightest for what purpose they were intended (some really stupidly labelled it "warhammer" on Ebay). No wonder they got hammered hard by GW legal team once it finally noticed them.
What I really mean is : don't be stupid, do it discreetly. And most important of all, don't post that on big famous forums like TGA. -
4 hours ago, Scáthborn said:
Yeah, there was someone who was slowly taking out all the unit models from Total Warhammer and converting them to .STL Files, and hosting them online for people to download. Printers jumped on fast and started selling 3D prints of them online and GW came down hard on all of it.
Yep, that was Emang. Started "free", then did a patreon for "supports only, can't copyright cones", and thought he could get away with it. Like all the 3D printer shops selling his works in the open. That's not knowing GW well.
Great models BTW, a shame he had to go. But come on...don't provoke blatantly the elephant in the small room you are in. -
3 hours ago, Beliman said:
Question
A character can only buy one magic ítem from each category (weapons, armour, etc...).
Runic weapons are magic ítems but they are inscribes instead of purchased. Can we inscribe runes in a Hand Weapon and a Great weapon in the same model?
Interesting question. I'd say there's a possibility, at least the text in Weapon Rules seem to imply it is possible. At the very least, you have to follow the Rule of 3 and you can't have more than 3 Weapon Runes overall on one character.
Should be good to ask GW just to be sure.
It is also possible in certain situation to have multiple magic weapons on one character too, as the core rules indicate (granted, it's mostly common magic weapons).
The contentious point is indeed that sentence mentionned by JerethKruger, but I think it makes reference to the specific rules for each category of magic item page 339 and further, not the ones page 337 : because Runic Items use different ones as described in their army list for choosing and buying magic items. -
18 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
I always envision them like this:
Actually...
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22 minutes ago, Marcvs said:
This is just false. GW is a legal entity: it could fire all its employees tomorrow and it would still exist as GW with all its IPs and properties.
This is stupid to say that, because such a "legal entity" would have no meaning in the real world : it can't produce anything without humans. Thankfully, we're still not at the state where robots completely replace mankind intervention.
It's nice for ideological arguments going your way, but when you resort to them, you just prove you're out of the reality and you do it solely to prove you're right. Not a good sign, if I may say so.
Reality of GW is that it's not shareholders who sculpt the miniatures, produce them, paint them, advertise them, sell them. Never forget that even if their influence is indeed great in the company, it is not the only thing that matters in them.-
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1 hour ago, Ejecutor said:
What I am saying is that GW could do something like that.
No, that's definitely not what you were doing. You were showing "what the community does instead of GW". You know what was the guy's intent when he posted that picture and you know he was totally using illegal scans to print those. Just drop it.
Yes, technology is already there for that and yes it keeps getting better. But do the 3D printing community really need to prove what its accusers say what it really stands for - stealing existing designs / IP like AI "art" software ? I think not.1 hour ago, Ejecutor said:But something like an STL vault of all the models that are not for sale wouldn't be that crazy.
Crazy no, but when you sell .stl files, you don't just lose control of the file - you lose control on quality of the prints (basically it all depends of the buyers, if they use cheap resin / engines to save their own production costs). It's actually bad for the brand when people buy "cheap" miniatures and they obtain bad quality as a result - because all they see is that it's a "GW miniature", no matter who is really the printer. That's the problem for existing 3D sculpting brands like Bestiarum Miniatures and why they also intend to go physical recently : so that the official way of having their miniature outside of home has an acceptable quality.
As for GW, they are so protective of their own quality and IP that selling .stl files is completely out of the question - and thus crazy.-
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You're missing the point. It's nice and all to say GW is very profitable and price increases is not meant to ensure their survival (though it's always easy to say that without any numbers, as usual - after all, those we have aren't the current ones only GW has), but fact is we currently live in a capitalist world that is on crisis, with price increasing everywhere in every field. You know it won't change tomorrow in a snap of fingers, and you definitely don't bring any working solution in such a way as well - short or long term speaking.
That's why I say I really don't see how a miniature producer can't increase their prices constantly in this world. The conditions aren't meant yet for anything else. -
14 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:
GW is not your friend, they’re a friend of your money, that’s the only reason.
That's precisely that kind of simplification I abhor.
GW is made of humans who don't think the same or have all the beliefs you give them casually because they "work at GW". It's not a hivemind.
It's always easy to hate a name and forget who is behind. It's also easy to forget all the people who can live from their passion thanks to it.
Price increase is always bad news, not just for the customer : for the company that sells as well.-
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3 hours ago, Big Kim Woof-Woof said:
Seems a little bit odd that the faction terrain can be demolished, but generic terrain can't. Hey-ho.
Because it they were, why bother putting meaningful restrictive terrain if they can just be destroyed at any player's whim.
It also messes with tournaments (organizers don't really like when players move terrain out of the tables that were designed to have a specific set). -
6 hours ago, Lord Krungharr said:
By contrast, recast resin big hat Chorfs, that makes more sense, morally speaking. And by morally, I mean financially.
Not a question of that, it's simply violating the rules of these forums.
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2 hours ago, Cambyses said:
GW is a big boy company and don't need you to white knight for it, and I don't need a patronizing lecture on high school microeconomics.
Even taking your own view to discuss this in an economic angle only, the consumer as an economic actor should ultimately dictate the actions of the company - if prices are too high, then the company should either find an avenue to lower prices or fail due to competition. GW can only do these YoY increases due to the near-monopoly they have in the tabletop wargaming space, and painting this practice as inevitable is harmful to your own interests as consumers in this sector.
I'm not white knight'ing. I just understand the world is more complex than what you try to paint. Going full pro consumer won't solve all problems and will actually create others - because consumers don't necessarily care about everything that matters on their product and the costs to make it,
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2 hours ago, Jator said:
In that regard, what Gaz mentioned about targets to hit makes sense to me.
Unlike the general belief, GW doesn't enjoy increasing prices. No customer likes to buy things at a higher price than before, and they know it very well.
I don't think it's a question of quotas to fill by some managers. They simply have to target something.
I'm not really surprised about Old World "old kits" being hit. They actually have a lot of sprues inside the boxes, so it means they consume more plastic to produce (and also take more space for delivery...old battle kits weren't really optimized, to say the least).-
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13 minutes ago, HorticulusTGA said:
AHHHH I was starving for #NewAoS news, thx !!
Yeah, it's not like we'll have a "full preview" next week (full preview of what's left, like a few bones at this point).
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To be honest, even if GW became a communist / cooperative corporation, they would still need to increase prices on long term because of their own infrastructure. Their shops don't own the place they are in, most of the time it's rent : and it constantly goes up too. If you want to pay your employees fair and generous salaries, you have to give them a rise each year because of inflation : that increases the costs and will unavoidably get on the product prices as well. We have to say as well that the production itself does have a constantly increasing cost on climate : if they want to produce more, they have to open more factories. Producing plastic miniatures made from fossil fuel is unavoidably polluting and depleting finite ressources, no matter their efforts in making it as "green" as they can, and countries will tax that more as climate change problematic becomes more pressing (even though a lot of people still close their eyes on that, they can't close them forever as floods and droughts become insanely more and more common with the years passing on). Even a world with social justice will keep seeing costs increasing that'll need to be passed on something eventually...if some productions aren't completely closed for the "good of mankind" (who needs plastic soldiers if it's just killing the planet ?).
I really don't see how actually a miniature producer can't increase their prices constantly in this world, unless they want to be in the red or earn less. Even if they're the most customer friendly possible. Our hobby has a real taxing cost, and we'll be paying it one way or the other.-
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The easy reaction to this is saying "GW is doing it on purpose, they enjoy racketting more money from their customers". Big corporations are the enemy, after all. However, that doesn't change the fact that price increase everywhere as well, and not just in plastic toys anyone can live without : in things you really need to have just to live.
Sure, capitalism is to blame for search of profit, but that doesn't change the fact world situation is still in crisis and unlikely to stop for various reasons : climate change, ressources getting rarer, wars in central europa and middle east still risking of spreading, extremist ideas on the rise everywhere...prices will keep getting up for production as troubles keep piling all around the globe.
I'm not very optimistic on the future and I think price increase in GW products will soon be the least of our problems not so far away. But that's just my personnal point of view.
As for this in particular right now...yes, it sucks. I will clearly adjust my budget for it as well, but I'm indeed not going elsewhere because of that. Because the truth is...it's just a matter of time before all miniature sellers do adjust their prices as well because of sheer necessity. We're more vocal about GW because they're the easy target to hate / blame. -
3 minutes ago, Sathrut said:
I'm hoping the Dwarfs (and their MTO) come before 10th June, but at this point I'm starting to think we won't see them until after that date.
Prices for them will automatically be adjusted, no matter they come before or after. Can't say their price increase if their kits weren't sold before, y'know.
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It has more to do with the world economic situation not getting any better and previsions about its evolution in the future being worse (war in the middle east / central Europa and such, y'know), and prices for everything needed to produce / send these kits keep getting higher - thus reducing the margin for GW.
I know, it goes against the mantra "GW is bad, grrr", but even for 3D printers, production costs increase as well (damn even my resin seller does increase its prices, and I'm not even talking about cost of electricity). It's just a matter of time for all miniature sellers to do the same.-
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I must say they have a lot of details that make them a bit annoying to paint in big numbers, IMHO.
). Goblins vs goblins, so goblins can't lose !
The Rumour Thread
in Age of Sigmar Discussions
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To me, it just shows that GW's release schedule can't work on a weekly basis in the long term with the troubles.
I feel like it's just a matter of time before they have to adjust to a new way, IMHO.