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14 minutes ago, JerekKruger said:
In this case, I assume we'll get Morghur (like you say), and a generic resin character (Bullgor, Bray Shaman or maybe a Wargor). If we're lucky you'll get more than one generic resin character.
They'll totally re-release the previously OOP metal generic characters, and maybe older edition metal minotaurs / some very old Citadel beastmen references like the different types of "beasts" other than universal goat of chaos.
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Arcane Journals are tied to the events described in TOW time period, so I'd suggest not to work on things that can't be there at this time, like von carstein or vampire coast (Luthor didn't make it there yet).
Armies of Infamies can be about bloodlines, in a certain way. I'd tend to lean towards the ghoul armies (1+ crypt ghouls, 0-1 Crypt Horrors per strygoi ghoul king in core with zombies and skeletons in special, for example) and maybe Neferata's minions (she's the most likely to be still active in secret, and she's certainly the most disturbed with recent Khemri activity nearby her domain) more based on vampires, enthralled living servants and of course finely equiped grave guards / black knights in core.-
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The only thing I'm expecting with TOW beastmen is maybe rerelease of Morghur, since he's the only character likely to be present in TOW's events.
Maybe another new resin named character appropriate for this time period, but I'm certainly not expecting a new unit box like bretonnian knights on foot. -
10 hours ago, Ogregut said:
What's everyone working on for TOW at the moment?
Wondering hard about if I should be more trolling my night goblins army...with a proper troll horde.
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I dunno if you can also consider the Warcry books since it's technically another game system, but there are also background in it about AoS setting (the Omnipoint in previous editions, now the Gnarlwood in Ghur), especially in the Ghur battle boxes describing the story behind each new warcry band and what they're fighting for in the Gnarlwood. I always enjoyed reading those.
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I'd say you can also include the other general handbooks - season of war they released. For 3rd, even if it's content was obviously mainly about rules, they actually put a different background story in each justifying the change of setting / rules every season (we're currently in Andtor right now).
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2 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
It feels like the sales team is tracking the interest for each army.
Stats for the Stat God ! Numbers for the throne of numbers !
That's their job, all right. Soon they can put the BoC sales for TOW properly.
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1 minute ago, Whitefang back me up said:
All of these models will be lost, like tears in rain...
Breaking news : water wets.
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1 minute ago, EonChao said:
I don't like the guy, and he was wrong plenty of times in the past, but the last time he got something wrong was the Black Templars Ancient and that was based on a photo of a conversion in the codex that was leaked to him so would have seemed completely credible.
That's why I don't believe he has genuine sources, he just goes for fishing information on the internet and he's been better at detecting trolls than before. He certainly gets mails by his fans on his youtube channel, that lead him more easily towards certain hidden discord channels where first info is posted or simply use his own for that. That's all.
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5 minutes ago, EonChao said:
Plenty of them start off that way but the biggest ones like Valrak and a few others do have genuine sources. The ones who don't quickly disappear as they start making incorrect guesses based on community hopium.
Valrak is as reliable as the dog I don't have. He was horribly wrong in the past, but he got a few hits more recently and people seem to suddenly forget his erratic history. I don't, personnally. As far I'm concerned, he doesn't actually have "genuine sources", he's just lucky with guessing and good with fishing the right info from elsewhere.
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27 minutes ago, GloomkingWortwazi said:
I can confirm it isn't through personal experience. Often, "I don't know, I'll have to look into it for you" is equally as damaging.
Including for the ego. It's hard to say "I don't know" when you're in a certain position of power. At least when you're not sued for something you did.
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You know, rumorsmongers don't necessarily know anything from people working at GW and leaking some info. A lot of it is browsing through info put somewhere else and mere speculation mixed with logic, that sometimes hits true.
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6 minutes ago, Jagged Red Lines said:
Pretty sure the normal person response if you don't know would be 'I don't know'.
You understand how this looks like a cynical attempt to deliberately keep people in the dark, in order to inflate sales.
Never attribute mere inability to say "I don't know" and thinking your own feelings are facts as pure malice. Conspiracies exist, but most of the time, it's just flawed humans doing dumb mistakes.
I'm working in the administration. You'd be surprised to know how often people working in other services don't follow procedures just because they want "to do good" and end up saying something dumb to the external people - making us look like evil clowns doing it on purpose.-
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Well for now, they will be removed but what we know from GW's past deeds is that something that gets removed can pretty much return later.
Since they have a place for "older ranges" to stay in TOW, I'm honestly expecting a new form of beastmen only faction in a more copyrightable / AOSable name...and maybe not in the Chaos Alliance anymore.
I'm actually interested in reading what GW will write in the background of 4th about them, including their announced digital books. Pretty sure there will be hints on the future. Maybe Morghur isn't "unidivided chaos personnafied", but more like something that wants things to go back to their original state - shapeless form of the realms before Chaos and Order made a mess in it. A true avatar of wild nothingness, not following Gorkamorka nonsense but real, raw destruction of everything.
After all, we know "unmarked" beastmen in AoS actually despise the Chaos Gods and their legends tell more of a Zodiac Beast as their father rather than being "just" beings made by Chaos like in Warhammer Battle / The Old World. A lot of previous "chaos beasts" have a more "natural origin" in AoS, after all.
Maybe we'll have more wild-faun like, less chaos beastmen ? Or Kragnos lost long people...or both. Future will tell, and hope is the last thing left in the box. -
TBH, the big difference with previous miniature removal by GW is how soon they make the announcement, but also assure they still be legal to use for competitive play and thus considered in the balance rules for a specific amount of time (even if competitive scene can't be trusted IMHO).
A lot of things can happen in one year of GW time. Maybe some "replacements" will come close to that end date, reimagined beastmen / bonesplitters or something very similar but different (some kind of giant centaurs drawn by earthquakes ? ).
GW sells games, but most over all miniatures. New miniatures will always happen, and they will have new rules to accompany them.
I'm still curious about what GW will wrote in the background of the 4th digital books about them. I'm pretty sure there will be hints on the future inside.
So far about beastmen, we know that in AoS, "unmarked" beastmen actually despise and loathe the Chaos Gods and they are less the creation of Chaos than in Warhammer Battle's universe / The Old World (their own legends tell they had a Zodiac Beast as their father in the Age of Myths). We also know some breys are tied to old Morghur and want to "give the Realms their original, shapeless form". Some people (and I'm one of them ) liked to think that maybe they weren't really fit for the Chaos Alliance anymore and more akind to Destruction in a lot of ways (they also hate civilization and worship the raw brutality of nature, like all the greenskins). Who knows, maybe they can come back in AoS with a more radically different theme - less chaos, more wild faun-like ?
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"What's a gor if not a Darkoath with horns ?"
Sequitors were always Liberators in disguise. That's why they were wearing robes !
My Warcry units will do what they do the best : being played in Warcry.-
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See you in 10 years with re-release of first Stormcast Eternal miniatures in The Old Age of Sigmar - Dusty Chambers Edition.
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It's actually the competitive players who are hurt the most. They're the ones who invest money in an army that is solely and purely aimed at AoS tournaments. If the said factions aren't "official" anymore (or are said to be dropped at a specific point in time), that kills the motivation for them to invest any further in this.
That's why I said the competitive scene can't be trusted and kills the fun in games. Because GW knows very well competitive players are the most driven to scrupulously follow the best meta and the most likely to buy a whole new army to keep being at the top. They also know putting an army on Legend is basically a death sentence for the life of these factions in competitive scene tournaments. Casual and narrative players, it's no big deal for them - they already have everything to keep playing at their pace and don't care about "official" or "balance" nonsense.
Devastating news for competite BOC players, they have all rights to be angry and throw ungor spearmen point first at AoS tournament posters in their training room.-
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14 minutes ago, Baron I_oyd said:
I know a lot of you are playing Total War Warhammer 3. I can officially confirm that if the dlc sales don't double during this year, the current plan is to end the saga in late 2026 / early 2027 with a final dlc called The End Times which will bring the Supereme Lord Nagash and Gray Seer Thanquol with Verminlords in the final cataclysmic dlc for Total War Warhammer 3
Modders do a better job than CA about adding content for the game, anyway. After the debacle of what CA did with previous DLC and what they actually did with their money on a failed Battle Royale game, that kind of rumor won't work on the TW3 community that still didn't forget these events.
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4 minutes ago, Boar said:
At LVO folks asked GW about BoC and got response that essentially rumors about BoC squat are false.
Screenshot from AoS Coach discord
It just shows how competitive scene can't be trusted and always ruins the fun in games. Sorry.
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7 minutes ago, Ekrund Oath Splitters said:
My beastmen will most likely stay in a box in the garage until the day I throw them out or die of old age. I have no incentive to play ToW, not to mention no one actually plays it in my county when AoS and 40k are vastly more accessible to get a game in.
I'd advice you to first ask your AoS friends (or even complete strangers !) to still play your beastmen. Rules will still be there, after all. You could be surprised by the answer.
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1 minute ago, RuneBrush said:
It isn't unreasonable, but it is an assumption made on our part. GW has given us a year's warning of when these warscrolls/models will be gone which is a lot more than many companies would in the same situation. That's only competitive play too - the article does say that Legends will be updated and balanced for the duration of 4th edition.
So much this.
It is still sad to see miniatures go, I have been there so many times and it still hurts the same. But I can at least relativise more easily with so many similar experiences I had in the past.
Yet, rules will still exist for a while to play if you wish it so. Damn, before The Old World was actually released, I still played Warhammer Battle with my old collection of greenskins for a decade since GW support officially ended. And if the rules and miniatures disappear, people still manage to find a way...finding rules online put there by true fans (Sigmar bless them), buying second market / competitor miniatures or use new technology to have pretty damn equivalent miniatures for your needs.
Players always find a way. Even if a new edition comes, that doesn't mean everything you collected vanishes from existence tomorrow. You still have all these books, all these miniatures...and you likely are still in touch with all these players you had fun with. Use them, ask people. You'd be surprised how many of them will be more than happy to play "no longer supported miniatures" / "dead games" with you for still a long, long time.
And to hell with tournaments and "official balance", they were never needed to have fun in games. Only you, your game partners, and all the lovely miniatures you have.-
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1 minute ago, Ganigumo said:
Ogors, and dark elves, are safe because they're not receiving old world support in terms of rules.
Until they are !
On long term, be sure they will be replaced in turn. Malerion's shadow army will be the new pointy eared taste of dark !
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TOW 1.0 - Orc & Goblin Tribes
in Warhammer: The Old World
Posted · Edited by Sarouan
Troll horde looks really fun, but my main army is night goblins. They're incredibly more reliable now with Warband rule, and these fanatics are a real terror now that they can't be targeted by anything AND you can release them at the most convenient time without them being forcibly "triggered" by these pesky light cavalry units sacrificing themselves.
Bow units tend to be less effective (they don't have the range to really threaten enemy units with volley fire, they usually have to move to do something), spears is certainly the new way to go. Like in previous Battle, spam of goblin heroes in the units is cheap and surprisingly dangerous for your opponent, especially with netters in their own unit and that magic banner giving +1 CC to its unit members. Try a front of 7 with 4 heroes with that, it's not that highly expensive in the end.
I like squig hoppers. They are much more reliable than regular squigs because they're not impetuous and their random move actually give them a lot of opportunities to get rid of enemy light units that tend to turn around your formations (they're especially good to chase after gyrocopters).
The big squigs are awesome. They're completely different from before (now a proper monster instead of being just "a bigger fanatic") and they give a needed damage dealer to the army. IMHO they're the actual new goblin chariots, since their impact hits DO have AP (I was very disappointed with how low "normal impact hits" are now) - and they can really kill stuff by themselves alone.
You don't even need black orcs to babysit them. Leave these dumdum orcs at the cave, wear your robes and eat your mushrooms : it's time to shave beards !