But it is very subjective. "Fun" for me is crunching numbers and taking the best list. It's playing against other people who bring their best lists. Never been to a tournament, but I still want to play a game without handicaps. And really, that's what playing sub-optimal lists is: handicapping yourself for a challenge or a lack on knowledge (and/or being unwilling to learn). If you want a casual game (what you seem to be calling fun) then play open, narrative, or find someone else who likes casual play. Most people who play the game want to game the game and min/max though.