Fyrenn

I'd love it if that were true, but I also feel that's one of the things we say to ourselves year after year. BoC was looking at changes in the December (January) FAQ 2020, then of course the 2021 update. to assume that no changes means something is coming seems folly at this point - it either will or it won't, but i'm not convinced it means anything. Likewise I really thought the Tome Celestials indicated what was or wasn't coming out, but now i'm not so sure - certainly some of these (admittedly) less popular armies that absolutely need it that could have had updates that way.... it's all a big :shrug: at this point!

Destruction? No! This is the Era of the Beasts (of Chaos)! ...no, wait...?

Mm, date-wise, that's a dangerous game tho. There are so many shipping delays expected, if they have them available to release before the 18th, i would expect them to do it by the 11th. Shipping is already a mess, and if people suspect they might not get items in time for the holidays they may not get it right away...

not to fan the chaos dwarf flames, but i wonder if it's possible they decided to move any additional hobgoblin units / leaders to a future Chaos Daurdin release? If they have 2 or 3 kits in their back pocket, it helps flesh out a fuller release in a year or two?

BoC would like a word.

looks necromunda to me. like a monster for one of those houses or something.

as much as i'd like this - is it likely to preview anything new before the nurgle tome even comes out? i feel they're not likely to reveal something new (like for a faction where a book hasnt' even been announced) or something like that... but idk.

We don't even know what the tome celestial is for november, do we?

or trolling. unclear. 😐

Destruction can have Kragnos, but they should trade the Fimir back to Chaos.

more likely than BoC? PSHAW!

anyone have any idea of what the tome sentinel for november will be? I feel they usually have the preview around the end of the previous month, but I don't recall if they announced this one was completely delayed? I thought they might have been actively waiting until after the preview so we didn't know another tome not expected to be updated anytime soon or something..

If it was nurgle, I would fully expect a unit of pestigors. I think with the slaangors and tzaangors, it's only a matter of time before the rest appear. I would expect them to be mortals and a bit tanky and probably somehow redundant in nurgle lists, but unable to be included in BoC lists 😉

you ask for too much. but i guess that's just a negotiation tactic, isn't it? they'll give you pirates and no more!!

I'd rather combine DoK with Idoneth...

Mmm, good thoughts in general; but as much as we (as a community) tend to complain, I do hope that GaW does have some creativity in them to resolve these issues - if they want. I think you're right about the vicious cycle they're experiencing, but i think a lot has to do with money numbers - I do not believe it's a narrative dead end. All they really need is any sort of leadership, which they do not have right now. They've implied Morghur has been 'speaking' to some in their dreams, etc. A shift towards a more true monstrous and mutation chaos would, in my opinion, have a niche. They could also focus more on the dragon ogors - they have rich history that can be used, and have the potential to be a true monstrous infantry focused faction like mawtribes for chaos. There are definitely options - Like you say, they just need the will to bother picking an idea and going with it. They need only two things: a unique narrative focus, and a unique mechanical focus. I think the frustration gets worse and worse because i feel most people can sense opportunity for both... it's just always a little out of reach. But in the end, that's why i made up 'resignlisting'. i'd also rather BoC be souped then gone, but I can't imagine it's the wish for many people. Frankly I think if there is too much faction bloat, there are other factions to merge that make more sense to trim things. I think at this point my biggest fear is they'd never truly be squatted - they'd just never again be supported beyond tangentially. We'll still get pestigors and such by association, but no updates, no books, no models. No official squatting, but just forgotten about like the brets, but without the end of fantasy to take them off life support.

i don't think that many people are wishlisting poor BoC get themselves souped 😞 maybe resignedlisting or something.

I can't tell if you're joking.

Honestly, it's why the decision of not doing a roadmap has me pulling my hair out sometimes. At this point, just knowing what's happening in the next 6 - 12 months roughly at leasts lets me feel comfortable playing. As a quick example, i've wanted to custom build a shaggoth because I don't like the resin shaggoth. BUT, i keep thinking there's a possibility there will be new kit, and I don't want to buy multiple kits for my mediocre skills at customizing. So instead, I do nothing. If I knew BoC was coming in 3 months, i'd build up other elements. If I knew they were coming in 6 or more, i'd make my centerpieces because that's plenty of time. Instead, I do nothing - I sit on things, don't model, don't paint... just WAIT. constantly waiting for an inkling of what and when. It doesn't matter if it's soup or not soup, but its maddening and sometimes hard to play at all without knowing what is happening (roughly speaking).

It's worth noting this is largely from China - container costs are definitely higher worldwide, but they're not nearly that high from other ports like in Pakistan, India, etc (source, myself - because I import stuff). Stuff from Spain/Turkey/Greece/Italy was maybe double what it used to be. If most of their production is in the UK, i'd say it's the UK trucking / difficulty getting materials / etc, as opposed to specifically the container issue?

I feel there is equal chance for Maggotkin or BoC at this point. there certainly are reasonable possibilities of both amounting to: Nurgle: doesn't need much in models, but needs a new book - so if it's a filler / small release it makes sense. BoC: needs a major overhaul with the book, fits the "era of beasts" theme. Both apparently have been left out of things recently.... what boggles my mind is the possibility that one of those is looking at another 6+ months for release.

What kind of name is Ithixa? demon or mortal?

I think part of the issue is a lot of what they seemed to be good at originally - being a fast and monstrous faction got dilluted greatly in AoS. If I remember correctly in fantasy there were Chaos Warriors, which were most of the mortals. Chaos Demons, which were all of the demons, then Beastmen, which were not like the heavily armored Chaos Warriors but more glass cannony. There was overlap, sure, but they felt distinct. By making each of the gods their own faction with more or less a focus (magic, fighting, sturdiness, and speed) alongside a well varied StD roster, it is no longer clear to me what niche BoC is supposed to play that someone else isn't able to do better. I don't even know what role they're supposed to fill, which makes them feel lost. I don't think GW knows what to do with them either, which is what's really sad. Maybe focusing more on Dogors to be a heavy army like a chaos ogor equivilent with lots of monsters where the gors are relegated to chaff between big monsters? That is the one thing that I think might work and be sort of cool.

I mean, i don't think anyone has mentioned it yet but.... All the talk of a BoC vs Spiderfang box for AoS as a rumor awhile ago? Think maybe that's red harvest, and the warcry box? Like with other things, be it actual spiderfang or chaos spiders, if someone saw it that would line up rumorwise, potentially?

and what happens if the stormcast chariot costs twice as much as the chaos one?