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Probably Malerion won’t feature, if so I think he’d be involved in BR Morathi, what was going on there had presumably much more direct impact on him.
Tyrion we might actually hear a bit more about, his “voice” as well as his chosen student being part of this wave of models, and we know that Nagash/Arkhan are invading Hysh as part of the storyline. Invasions into his realm are very much Tyrion’s cup of tea, so there is a chance we see him (but then Malerion played no role in BR Morathi, so who knows).
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I know that’s a joke, but I wonder if they really clash “in-god” during BR Teclis, and if so, if that was actually a good idea.
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2 minutes ago, l1censetochill said:
While I could of course be mistaken, I'd be really surprised if Daemonbane was the only attack on Lyrior's profile - keep in mind that he's meant to be an elite Lord-Regent, and the normal Lord-Regents (based on the model) are going to have standard sword attacks as well (probably at 4 attacks, 3+/3+/-1/1 or something, which puts them in line with most generic melee heroes). So he'll probably have one big attack with the lance, then a few regular sword attacks, like the Dawnrider champion. Then, let's not forget his mount will definitely have attacks as well.
I'm expecting that on his own he'll be solid, though not a combat monster. But hopefully he'll have enough punch that opponents will need to respect the damage him + a unit of Dawnriders could do if they double charge into their flank.
For sure, at least his mount will have some attacks. He also has a sword so he could use that too, agreed. I also don’t think that’s his only attack - but likely the only “good” one, and I’d be surprised if he really ends up with only one attack with Demonbane. That would be pretty bad for a special weapon like that, less than 2 damage on average. Zandtos has 3 attacks with his main weapon (which has worse stats though). 1 is just really rough, even with 2/2/-2.
And yeah likely he’s not a combat monster, but more of an all around useful unit, with good fighting skills.
Probably his attacks will be better on the charge, and he’ll have more attacks with demonbane at least conditionally - is what I’m assuming. Like I said, I also don’t think he’ll be on Eltharions level (nor should he be). We have very similar expectations I think : ). He should help Dawnriders to be a bit more all-around useful when he’s with them.
So far none of our characters has been outright bad, so I’m not worried : )
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8 hours ago, Tiberius501 said:
I’d agree, but Eltharion gets 4 attacks of a very similar profile, as well as 2 more attacks with another weapon and a mortal wounds ranged attack on a 2+. So unless Lyrior is under 220pts he must have attacks from somewhere else/more attacks on the charge or it’s a misprint imo.
@Acid_Nine, I want to know about the Loreseeker too! I love the model so I’m 100% getting one to be Eltharion’s second. Hopefully he’ll finally be a good fighter-caster.
I doubt Lyrior will be as good in combat as Eltharion, who is a beast : ).
I’m also slightly disappointed about the 1 attack but I’m sure he’ll have something like Deadly Furrows. Probably also will have some buffs, and be a bit more of an general than a duelist.
And these articles can always be a bit misleading. Remember when they showed the Twinstones - and all it looked like they do was to increase the number on the dice you place next to them, because they forgot to show what they actual ability is? 😆
I’m also really looking forward to the Loreseeker, I wonde how they implement the “stronger alone” ability they spoke about. I find that very intriguing.
All in all pretty cool, flavorful abilities so far. And the Lumineth for sure must have had a visit from a Crafteorld or two with al the laser fire they have. Pew pew!
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54 minutes ago, Mcthew said:
From a player who wasn't too impressed by the initial LRL wave, I am seriously excited by the new releases. Absolutely awesome.
Glad I bought my Ltd Ed battletome now. Although I think my bank manager will be wringing his hands in despair. I can see a few hundred quid disappearing over the next few months.
(I mean, seriously... wow... If Sigvauld is beautiful then what are these??)
Great to see more people being drawn to the light : ). That seems to be the general tenor - a lot more people being impressed by the second wave. And although I love the initial wave the second one also topped it for me.
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23 minutes ago, Tiberius501 said:
They did seem to imply that faction rules may be changing (but that could just be Warhammer Community making mistakes as they have in the past). Fingers crossed Ymetrica changes.
Yup, Ymetrica should change, if they do not add another GN. So let's hope they do it.
Btw. this might be interesting for people here, as we have many good painters. A Lumineth discord has a Hobby Contest coming up in April:
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Going with @Clan's Cynic idea for BR: Morathi, I think it's a good time to start a spoilers and discussion thread about what's going to happen in BR Teclis, instead of the rumours thread. We already have some information from White Dwarf and the Broken Realms short stories.
I've summarized the LRL relvant information from the February White Dwarf here:
SpoilerAbout what's in White Dwarf (Feb 2021): It's part of GW's first Flashpoint (kind of lore-based campaigns) for AoS: The center of the story is the "Charnel Kingdom", a FEC kingdom lying in the mountains of Ymetrica. It's mostly about a war between OBR and FEC in Ymetrica, but the introduction to that campaign provides a bit of information about what happens in BR Teclis: Nagash has been always worried about an attack on Shyish from Hysh. It's the only land he can't look into (because light magic prevents it), and his thinks that Teclis might be one of the few beings around capable of matching him ins spell craft (and therefore spoiling his plan - he already has yet another one...). When the Lumineth invade, this happens (quote from the WD):
“When the Lumineth Realm-lords finally marched out from Hysh to check his dark ambitions, Nagash met their aggression with typical cold ire – but also a flicker of relief. At last, Teclis, one of the few beings perhaps capable of matching him in matters of spellcraft, had shown his hand. War raged between the aelves and the dead across the Ossiarch Empire: necropolises were toppled, and upon the plains of Praetoris, a host of the elite Bonereapers was defeated by the finest of Hysh’s military orders. The Ossiarch Bonereapers, however, had elevated the fashioning of undead warrior-constructs to macabre artistry. In their ancestral heartlands, and with the bones of so many aelven dead at their disposal, they were soon able to replenish their losses. All this was known to the Lumineth, but theirs was a war to spark hope in those peoples ground under the heel of the Ossiarch Empire, to prove that the deathless tyrants could be resisted.”Then Nagash goes on the offense and invades Ymetica. He puts Arkhan the Black in charge of the invasion. Arkhan, leading his Null Myriad into Ymetrica has some initial success (for example wiping out he city of Elthondu, which is on the Ymetrica map from the LRL Battletome), also because most of the FEC of the Charnel Kingdom ally with him, under their Archregent Gorstane Mortevell (which is the named Archregent of the new battle box regiment). But then, the Lumineth start to burn the bones of their fallen after every battle, and the OBR run out of material to build new forces and have to retreat into the the hazardous outer perimeter of Hysh. That's when Arkhan has the idea to use the bones of his FEC allies to replenish his forces. - and the main story of the WD campaign starts (battle between FEC & OBR)
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Yeah, sadly. They didn't really choose Ymetrica well for that though. It's so connected to the Alarith - if they don't change this in the new Battletome - it doesn't really make for a good representative for the whole faction, like the Anvil's do or Hag Narr for example.
Hopefully we get a bit information on Tor Amun or any of the other larger cities, although in the end it might just be about the Sariour Plateau ... .
But - otherwise - back to HYPEEE MOOOODE : ).
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8 minutes ago, Athrawes said:
Am I the only one who finds it odd that the "warden of Ymetrica" is the figurehead of all the Tyrionic Nations?
That, together with them mentioning that the Bladelords are from Tyrionic nations makes me think that no one has to fear/hope we are getting another Battletome soon.
That they felt that they need to put Tyrion’s greatest general into Ymetrica. I think from a lore POV it will be explained via the invasion of Arkhan into Ymetrica, Tyrion likely sends help and that’s how Lyrior, a Tyrionic champion, ends up with that title. We know already that the invasion is repelled (initially).
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3 hours ago, KingBrodd said:
Absolutely massive week so happy for @LuminethMage mate hope your wallet is ready!!
Cannot wait for BR Teclis myself, we're getting back on track guys!! Damn, I just love Warhammer.
Thank you! The delays were at least good in that respect, enough preparation time. My wallet knows what’s coming : ). At least getting one of each.
I’m really looking forward to the story. The FEC box confirms that the WD article series about Nagash invading Ymetrica is part of the book. Mortevell is the FEC king who aligns himself with Arkhan.
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Yeah, so many hints at what the units might do ..... and that one of Tyrion’s title is Lord Phoenix. We are going to have a lot of fun here over the next few weeks.
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1 hour ago, Siegfried VII said:
Nice job! 🙂
How many have you all in all so far? I have Avelenor and two Spirits of the Mountain and 25 Stoneguard and I'm thinking of maybe getting 5 or 10 more but I'm not sure it is worth before at least having the full picture with the new range/rules we'll get..
p.s. I have used the same blue crystals in my bases too! 🙂
Thank you!
Wow 😮 25 that’s awesome! I have 20, 15 fully painted now (10 for each weapon once they are done), and working on Avalenor. The Spirit is also built and primed.
I don’t think I’ll get more, at least not for some time, because I’ll buy at least one each of the new models, so that will take me awhile. I still have ca. 30 models unpainted from what I have bought previously.
Blue Crystalls - Enlightened minds think alike 😆 . They are not the best looking, but sufficient for accents, and otherwise it would be really a lot of effort to do paint all of them. So I’m happy I found them.
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1 hour ago, Neverchosen said:
As the resident LRL expert do you have any personal hopes for a potential LRL BR battalion? I feel the new models will be less likely to appear and as such I think it would be fun if it was Alarith focused as the inevitable Start Collecting will likely be Vanari focused like the earlier collector box.
Personally, I hope for new models. 20 Bladelords and a Loreseeker 🤪
Now, if we go to something less self centered and that actually could happen, I think you are right and the new models won’t appear. I guess Vanari Warden’s are the likeliest choice. If they don’t increase the price level, it’ll be rough though, they couldn’t add much to that besides a hero. Or maximum, a hero and one more unit of Vanari (which would add $20 above of most of the BR Morathi ones).
If it’s Alarith-focused, the only real option would be (current prices) 10 Stoneguard and a Stonemage (ca. $30 above). If they did 5 Stoneguard and a Spirit of the Mountain, that would be neat. Quite higher than what we have seen so far in terms of costs (ca. $40). But I think it would be a really cool box. Of all the current units Stoenguard are the ones who could use a small buff, so if it’s something with them, that’d be good.
I think a Vanari-one is more likely, but honestly I have no idea, maybe there isn’t even one, because they still don’t want to sell them cheaper. I think if there was a LRL vs OBR box we’d already know. I have a bit of hope that we get one for both OBR and LRL separately because of the Hammerhal Herald joke which had the named OBR hero in it from a few weeks ago.
I think we should know today/tomorrow, they’ll have to show the new BR Teclis website and info if it’s already on pre-order next week.
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2 hours ago, Dreddships said:
The ballsy move is release the SC boxes and the Battalion Boxes.
Could always just repackage up the LRL launch set and the OBR from Feast of Bones for a SC set
Wouldn’t 100% work with the LRL launch set in the same way, because Eltharion is already a unique hero. The rest would be perfect though, and maybe throw in a named Cathallar or one of the new models.
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Finally completed 10 more of my Stoneguard. 5 more with mallets to go, but Avalenor is first.
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I think we’ll see at least most of them : ). They have to keep moving products. We’ll find out today. Anyway - a few exciting weeks ahead!
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Loooking really good, so clean, I like the magic sparkles on the Cathallar smoke!
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57 minutes ago, PiotrW said:
That weather forecast is... so cute
Anyway - razing parts of towns is one thing, but killing innocents while doing so is... meh. But yeah, I know - no squeaky clean factions and all that
It's just that a bit hard to identify with a faction that does that.
Regarding Xintil - you know, one thing I'd actually very gladly pay for would be some sort of "Guide to the Mortal Realms" kind of book. A book that would give more details on what exactly all these places look like, who control which parts etc. So far, we're getting snippets... Not saying GW should define *everything* about the Realms, but a more in-depth description (and more art!) would be nice.
Oh, and chronology with some more specific dates. I'm still puzzling over how long the Age of Myth and Age of Chaos were, how much time has passed since Sigmar unleashed the Stormcasts etc. All of this makes the Realms a bit... vague for me.
Hmmm. I'm looking at the art in the battletome and I see no aelves in civilian garb...
And - I know, I'm a bit pedantic when it comes to this stuff - I'd really prefer if the battletome said: "There are these eight Great Nations that are most influential, but there are few others. Feel free to fill in the blanks and use the rules from the main Nations for your own creation". Without such a byline, I'd feel like I was doing something illegal (rules-wise) when coming with a Nation of my own...
The “parts” thing was meant to be a joke, I know what you mean. : ). On the other hand, in this example the Lumineth saved the whole town and population from being killed by demons. They just think that closing the gate and thereby denying further demonic invasions is worth the sacrifice of apart of the town and population. Not saying it’s good or something to identify with, but you can make an argument from their POV. You definitely don’t make any friends that way though. : )
Agreed, we sadly still have very few information about large parts of the realms. They are slowly adding more details, and we might see a bit more of Xintil in BR Teclis, with likely
Settler’s GainYllurai Xhen being part of the story. But because the setting is so big, they can only touch so much of each of the realms. I’d 100% buy a “Guide to the Mortal Realms”. Hopefully, we see something like that in the future!The setting is kept in vague on purpose, I don’t think they’ll totally change that because of the creative freedom it provides them. But we’ll see more and more details if the setting stays popular.
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22 minutes ago, OkayestDM said:
@LuminethMage, I just realized that you had to switch to each of the different language sites to compile that image.
And yet, I shall go a step further . . .
Not only do both models feature the twin-tailed comet imagery as talismans, clasps, decoration, and heraldry across their garb (which is distinct from anything that Stormcast wear), but if you flip the pauldron on the priestess's shoulder upside-down, it has the same shape and profile as the knight's pauldron that you can see peeking out from beneath the eagle head.
None of this is conclusive, but it sure is extremely suggestive.
I might come across as that crazy, but no, you can see it altogether if you change the setting to "delivery to rest of the world", which is my standard setting by chance : )
And more importantly - is this an eagles head or a gryph hound? ^^
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There is hope for anyone who wants to move beyond Lumineth (and of course for us who finally want to get our lambent hands on them) that they really announce pre-orders this Sunday:
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47 minutes ago, PiotrW said:
I suppose the Lumineth don't know everything that goes on in Hysh... They missed the Cypher Lords, for once.
One thing that bothers me a little about the Lumineth is that bit about them razing whole towns and killing innocents for the greater good. Why can't they simply be awesome and heroic elves... *small sigh*
Oh, and GW could've given them better "civilian" clothes. Out of their armour, they look like they are wearing jumpsuit
Overall, though - they are pretty great, yes.
They aren't raising whole towns - just parts of them : ). They are pretty much normal High Elves who always had this - who cares about some human collateral damage? They die like flies anyway attitude - which partly makes sense for a long-lived species like them. If the BR Teclis hints we have seen so far are correct, you'll see more of their heroic side in the next book. But yeah, they are not just pure good, heroic elves. Warhammer generally doesn't do that, and Warhammer HE specifically always amp up their "we are the best" attitude. And Hysh also leans into that. You can always have your guys or nation be like that though. You can see for example in the book that the Zaitreci aelves have a more lenient/nice attitude against other magic users.
The Cypher Lords likely are from Xintil which, at least until recently and maybe still largely is, under human control.
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And looks like our weather report for this week will be true - More Lumineth incoming this Sunday (announcement for pre-order next Saturday):
They just took off all the Battletomes from their website:
Not 100% guaranteed of course, but it really looks like we do not have to wait much longer until things are moving.
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1 hour ago, PiotrW said:
Hey guys! If you don't mind me doing a small interjection...
I got myself the Lumineth battletome out of curiosity and I'm currently reading it. And I must say I... really like these guys. The whole concept, background etc. is so... awe-inspiring. I've seen people sneering at the Mountain Spirits online, calling them "battle cattle" etc., but they actually work for me. Now I'm actually curious about other Hyshian nature spirits! I know there's a Wind Spirit coming up and I think it's a good thing. I wonder if we'll see River and Light Spirits, too?
And I'm actually curious what lies beneath these creatures' masks...
Anyway! A question: could the Lumineth be used as allies in an SCE army? In their allies list, SCE have all of Order as possible allies. But... the Lumineth have only the Idoneth listed as allies. So... is it an inconsistency? Or does it simply mean that their relationship is asymetrical and while SCE armies can field some Lumineth troops, the Lumineth armies cannot field SCE troops?
Oh, and... is it possible to come up with your own Lumineth nations? You can have custom SCE warhosts.... Or is the canon list of nations closed, one nation per Hyshian continent etc.?
Great to hear you like them. We hope that we see the other spirits too. We might already have one Spirit of Light, Celennar : )
SCE can ally Lumineth, just not the other way round. It’s the same situation with the Idoneth, Lumineth can take them as allies, but not the other way round.
Canonically there are only 8 nations, but that doesn’t mean you couldn’t make your own. Not as big maybe, but all those nations are just nominally controlling all that territory, and you have the Spirefall as this event where you could easily have a splinter faction going somewhere and hiding. What’s more High Elfen than a city-state hidden in a mountain valley, Island or underground? The Lumineth novel featured a dwarf “nation” which the Lumineth weren’t aware of, but was destroyed by Hedonites during the novel.
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17 minutes ago, NinthMusketeer said:
Woa there, waaaaay overreacting, I definitely did not make any of those claims. I was not commenting on the veracity of your point, but rather raising that when such a skewed piece of data is used in support of the idea that certain factions are not dominating, there is a problem. Even considering the dearth of data due to Covid, were the balance situation remotely reasonable there would be a huge abundance of data sets better than that.
Perhaps ironically, if one feels so defensive as to create straw men over a perceived criticism that will always make me doubt the legitimacy of the position--a valid point needs no straw men.
To go on a related but separate tangent, the win % of armies at tournaments is already skewed towards 50. Because winners are matched with winners and losers with losers. The armies with high win % will disproportionately go against other armies with high win %, creating a negative feedback with rounds subsequent the first. To see the 'real' win rate, look at the data from first rounds only. I dare anyone to do that then say straight-faced that AoS does not have a balance problem.
I asked so that I can understand what you meant. If you really think that that piece of data alone is enough to say 6 factions are dominating, because doesn't do that to me. That's all. I find these things fun to discuss. My reply wasn't meant to set-up a straw man or being defensive. This is a topic where you can reasonably disagree, exceptions alone differ.
You also seem to have misunderstood my point. I think some factions are stronger than others. But besides Seraphon and maybe Tzeentch, none of them seem to be too out of hand to me. There are also have a few other factions on the other side of the spectrum which need help.
What better data sets did we have before Covid? I've mostly seen win percentages and tournaments wins/placements since I pay attention to these. But I haven't found much older data at all.
I think your point about win rates in first rounds make sense. You have the data for first rounds? Would be interesting to see that and how much it differs from the aggregated ones. And probably then you'd have to go down int specs etc. if there was no big difference.
I don't think balance is as terrible as you seem to, but also not that it couldn't be better.
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6 hours ago, jeanfluflu said:
i personnaly would love an elf on dragon, i have nostalgia of these days of warhammer fantasy where lords mounted on dragons facing each other were the coolest ****** ever (i know we have a big center piece with teclis but still.......DRAGON!
This said i have good hopes for the mounted character, i hope he can help the dawnriders, i'd also love the swordmen to be the deadly fragile melee warriors they're supposed to be (preferably good against elite units or big targets to mirror the dawnrider)There are lot of people whoshare your feeling : ). I think missing dragons were next to the horned helmets the single largest complain about the Lumineth when they were first released. They show dragons or dragon-like creatures in the Battletome art and on some of the models, so if the LRL sell well and we get another release for them, we should see them in the end : ).
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@Acid_Nine Don’t worry, there is really a lot to remember with the Lumineth, AoSReminder is a godsend when playing them. And even using that tool, my head was spinning the first few times playing them. And all that thinking about their abilities and what to do can lead to making general strategic/tactical misses.
I’d recommend playing Syar when you start out with them. This lets you get used to Aetherquartz fast, and 2 AQ are super useful in itself. You also can experiment with the extra spell and other AQ abilities more, and not just use them for better saves.
Your Warden are great, but they still have only one wound, especially if you don’t have Protection of Hysh/Teclis, they still can die fast. But also make sure to remember the better stats when they are attacked and your mortal wound ability. This alone can make sure that your opponent has to roll for batteshock which you then can make really hurt.
Also, make sure to not forget Darkness of the Soul, the Warscrolls spell of the Cathallar. This is such a good spell against threats like a nice block of 20 Witch Aelves for example. Choosing and using your spells correctly is also really important for a Vanari-focused army.
@Allonairre The Lore of Wind/Hurakan could potentially have a teleport spell which normally lets you re-set up your units, which would mean you could put them back into a Shining Company. Not super likely, but not impossible. As a command ability, yup, the Bannerblade or the Lord Regent would be the logical choices for something like that.