Double Misfire
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33 minutes ago, JerekKruger said:
Sigh, why did I, foolishly, assume there was only one army book released in 6th edition. Notably I went to uni in 2004 and stopped collecting GW soon after.
Given their age there holding up fairly well.
Discovering beer and ditching toy soldiers for a bit is a rite of passage. 🍻
Dwarfs are notable for having two books in 6th, but not getting one in 7th, so it's an easy miss
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1 minute ago, JerekKruger said:
I thought that, but they aren't those warriors. Those didn't have sculpted metal shields, but rather flat wooden round ones with icons that could be glued on top.
You're thinking of these plastic Warriors, released in 2000 worldwide (though released about a year earlier in various non English speaking territories that didn't get Battlefleet Gothic translated - don't ask!), with the first 6th Dwarf army book in 2005 (also pictured under the spoiler tag)
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The plastic Warriors rereleased for TOW, were released alongside the second 6th ed Dwarf army book in 2005 (both shown under the tag)
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11 minutes ago, Magnusaur said:
I was never a Dwarfs guy, but I love seeing all the new and returning stuff. Really impressed by the general quality of the kits, their age taken into consideration. How old is the Warriors kit?
Also really exciting to see more plastic releases outside of Tomb Kings and Bretonnia!
The Warriors kit came out with the second 6th ed army book in 2005 (along with Crossbows/Thunderers and the Cannon/Organ Gun)
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2 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:
So I just watched the trailer again (as one does) and noticed this. Looks like Belegar might be the second named character? Makes sense, since his model is still in production as the Warden King, but I did expect something new.
Despite what his beard colour may suggest, Belagar's presumably a youngish dwarf, having mounted his campaign to retake Karak Eight Peaks as soon as he came of age, doing it alongside his uncle, and coming into contact with Queek almost immediately after (skaven lives short-short), he's probably not been born at the time of TOW. He's not written particularly young in The Dark Beneath the World though.
Also the Dwarf TOW announcement article says he's being rereleased as a generic sounding King on Oathstone.
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6 minutes ago, Damosane2 said:
If so it will be really cool seeing a character progress like that after being in the 1st starter set
Nobody wants 1st starter set character progression. Have you learned nothing?!
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33 minutes ago, JackStreicher said:
Don’t remind me, they’ll break eventually.
'They'll break/chip eventually' is he healthiest maxim to have in this hobby.
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2 hours ago, JerekKruger said:
This is so Oldhammer! I'd expect a rewriting if this to make it fit with more modern Warhammer style (Dwarfs taking orcs prisoner? No way) but I think there's a good chance it'll feature given he's missing his dragon cloak.
Bloody hell, I was wrong. I just went and checked the Stuff of Legends page for Golgfag's very first Regiment of Renown, and this story actually dates back to 1st edition, I just read it for the first time in 4th 🤣
Ungrim isn't named in this version mind, he's just a 'Dwarf leader'
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Just realised there's been all this second Dwarf special character speculation going on, and we still don't know who the second Orc and Goblin one is.
Any guesses/wishes before the book goes on preorder tomorrow? It won't be anyone we've seen before because none of the 'historic' characters were active during that time period, and greenskins don't tend to live so long.
A wolf mounted Goblin Warboss to go with the Nomadic Waaagh would be neat + something we've never seen before (for the love of Grom, please no more named Black Orcs)
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53 minutes ago, GhostShark said:
Yeah, they may have felt that the army was already very complete.
I mean I wouldn't say no to a new Wyvern 🤢
Or Azhag's back with a new rider. Either way.
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2 hours ago, Lightbox said:
I'm also curious to see how people have been running / theorycrafting foot knights as the models are -gorgeous-. My thoughts are using them with great weapons as I'm not sure there's much need for them being an anvil with sword and shield when yeoman guard/men at arms blobs are so cheap.
They've got Furious Charge, so great weapons and a relatively large unit to soak up casualties feel like the most sensible option (even with the Blessing, they're pretty squishy!). Apart from that, run them in a Errantry War list, or as Exiles with the Vanguard banner to guarantee they get that charge?
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10 hours ago, Jator said:
I'm not so sure about a Slayer Army of Infamy anymore. The lack of plastic suicidal stunties may have forced the designers to think about other options (norses and engineers?).
I know that wasn't a problem back in the Storm of Chaos, but it would be nowadays.
Wait and see!
Looking at other armies' Armies of Infamy, Errantry War lists can still include Peasants as special choices, and the Orc and Goblin 'Troll Horde' still features orcs, common goblins and artillery in the preview photos, so I'd hazard the likely Slayer AoI as more 'Karak Kadrin - Slayers and Friends' than the Storm of Chaos 'Slayer Cult - All Slayers All the Time'.
You'll probably be looking at Slayers as a Core choice along with Warriors and Quarrellers, Dragon Slayer BSB, Doomseekers, Goblin Hewers, Brotherhood of Grimnir, Thunderers moved to Special, Special choices moved to Rare, Rare choices either made 0-1 or ditched entirely, and no option for a vanilla King 'cos Ungrim.
If someone hated the classics and really wanted plastic Slayer models, I hear that newfangled game where models fight on individual plastic disks, instead of being squished together in complicated rectangles has entire range of them.
2 hours ago, Beliman said:That's why I think the Armies of infamy are excuses as a projects instead of armies to collect. Tomb Kings and Bretonnia has rules for units that doesn't have miniatures, and the journal explicity says that you need to convert or use diferent paint schemes.
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43 minutes ago, JerekKruger said:
There's a story behind this I'm not familiar with. What happened?
Story dating back to the 4th ed Battle Bestiary and expanded on in the Dogs of War armybook. Golgfag and his ogres (for a fee) helped Ungrim defeat a massive orc army at the Battle of Broken Leg Gulley (a net win for Ungrim, Thorgrim rewarded him with the dragon cloak his TOW model lacks after), only to sign on with some other orcs and become a thorn in Ungrim's side later.
Ungrim later captured and imprisoned Golfgfag, along with most of the orc and goblin army he'd joined. During his short stay in dwarf jail, Golgfag got so hungry he ate all the orcs and goblins, and then his ogres, bar Skaff, his best mate, who out of sentimentality he decided to eat slow, and had only eaten the leg of when the dwarfs discovered him. Ungrim was so impressed/horrified he had Golgfag taken a very long way away from Karak Kadrin and released.
Golgfag and Skag, note the missing leg:
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More of these, and not just for Orc and Goblin players:
Looks like everybody can take ogres, and Warriors and Beastmen get the really tall giant.
Canonically TOW predates Ungrim Ironfist learning the downside of hiring ogres, which is topical because he got a new mini today.
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Just now, Clan's Cynic said:
Hoping for Grombrindal, expecting Young Thorgrim.
Hoping for pre ranger Bugman or Bugman's dad. Expecting Grombrindal. 😬
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Oh, completely forgot! 🤦♂️
More than any of the characters listed in the last post, I'd love to see the Empire get Fredrich von Taurnus, a character who's been teased in Empire armybooks since 4th and would have been active during TOW. He'd go on to become the first Patriarch of the Bright Order, trained up by Teclis, but before the Great War Against Chaos was the commander of the Carroburg Greatswords, before being disgraced when he was discovered as a hedge wizard. He's notable for making magic items and being a 'warrior mage' who wore armour, and presumably swung a big sword.
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14 minutes ago, Kronos said:
Any Characters you guys think would be around during this age at younger version too?
Tyrion and Teclis were 100 year old 'young' elves out roaming the world pre loading up on magic items ahead of Finuval Plain, making them definite frontrunners.
I've already made a list of dwarfs who might show up in the dwarf thread:
SpoilerThe article says we may remember both of them from WFB, so it's not gonna be anyone new, which warms my heart (though I still think of Alrik and Thorek as 'new')
Grombrindal with his 500th mag anniversary model still unrevealed feels like a good reason the second special character isn't announced here.
Thorgrim as the hotheaded young go-getter he was established as pre High King in 8th also feels like a really safe bet, though honestly hope it's anyone else, as off the Throne of Power, I'm not sure he'd have much going rules wise to differentiate himself from any other Dwarf Lord.
Kragg the Grim would be a great candidate to bring back for TOW as he'd already lived several times longer than a regular dwarf even then.
Burlok Damminson's old enough to have an adult son by the 2500s, which would put him at around Ungrim's age, and could given an engineer lord option. Deeper cut engineer lord: 'The Magnificent' Sven Hasselfriesian's a contempory of Burlok's and would also be around.
Dullest option: Thorek. They're already rereleasing the Anvil, so why not make the basic kit a special character for the fifth edition in a row?
Warriors of Chaos wise, Scyla Anfingrimm only turned into a
KhorgorathChaos Spawn a couple of Years before the Great War Against Chaos, so seeing him pop up as a Mortal Champion could be neat.Araball the Undefeated and Valnir the Reaper were both active during the Great War Against Chaos, and presumably active before it. Galrauch, Dechala, Azazel, Kholek Suneater, Sigvald and debatably Aekold Hellbrass and Valkia had also all been around for centauries by this point.
No idea how old Vilitch and Festus are supposed to be.
Beastmen... Morghur's whole deal is being reborn, so no reason he couldn't be around.
Pretty much any named Wood Elf could show up, though it'd be nice if Scarloc's archers got the Made to Order Regiment of Renown treatment following Prince Ulther's Imperial Dwarfs.
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3 minutes ago, Beliman said:
That sounds like a 5 book's series. Count me in.
For whatever reason, I'm looking again and again the whole dwarf presentation. I was never excited for miniatures since april 2017
Same, though the ones I'm most excited for, I already own, and are from 1987 🫤
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4 minutes ago, Trokair said:
I am not that well versed in Dwarf lore, would Gotrek be around at this point?
He would be very young if he was, and living fairly happily in or around Karaz-a-Karak not having taken the Slayer Oath.
I've always liked the idea that his axe has had multiple bearers over the centauries, with Grimnir trying to create a new avatar each time, and somehow ending up back in the Chaos Wastes for the next unlucky dwarf to find. We could see it in TOW with a completely different wielder.
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16 minutes ago, Azamar said:
My guess for the other special character would have to be Josef Bugman. Thorgrim is possible as he’d be around in the time period but as @Double Misfire said he wouldn’t really stand out from any other dwarf lord at that point.
Bugman, or at lest his dad are defiantly around at the time TOW's set if we've got a beer cart coming out, but Bugman's Brewery can't have been torched by goblins yet, as Bugman was away delivering a special shipment to the Emperor when this happened, and the Empire hasn't had an Emperor for 800 years, so he'd have to be Kragg's age if we were gonna see him as a ranger. Bugman or Zamnil/Samuel as a super wealthy merchant could be a fun earlier take on Warhammer's first (**** off Kemmler) and most iconic special character though, especially with Imperial Dwarfs starting to look like the second likely army of Infamy (Slayer Cult all but a given at this point).
QuoteI think Burlok Damminson would be too young- old world is set about 75 years before he blew up the engineers guild and I think that was when he was meant to be a young prodigy. It also means he wouldn’t have his mechanical arm yet.
Dwarf lifespans are pretty elastic in Warhammer (you've got to ignore the figures given in various WFRP editions saying they live to about 200 for any of the timelines to work), and the Engineers Guild's so conservative the still be call machines they've been using for hundreds of years newfangled and experimental, so I'd buy Burlok having a rebellious youth that lasted almost a centaury.
QuoteKazador are outside bets but probably not famous enough.
Kazador was my favourite special character as a kid, but he probably wouldn't have lost his son as early as TOW (200 years is a long time to fail to kill Gorfang Rotgut, or for Gorfang to not get himself killed. Orcs don't die of old age, but you don't hear about them reaching it either), and he wouldn't even have background, let along rules to make him stand out from a garden variety Dwarf Lord.
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Tinder pic vs what turns up
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5 hours ago, Beliman said:
I still miss some things, like 6th edition longbeards.
You might be in luck... The 6th ed Longbeards are the dwarfiest dwarfs ever made, and it would be an injustice not to sell them.
Interested to see which Imperial Dwarfs get rereleased, hopefully these ones (despite the fact they were never released as 'Imperial Dwarfs'), as I've got a pile of dwarfs with spears who've not had rules for 23 years:
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QuoteCurious about the second heroe for the Arcane Journal.
The article says we may remember both of them from WFB, so it's not gonna be anyone new, which warms my heart (though I still think of Alrik and Thorek as 'new')
Grombrindal with his 500th mag anniversary model still unrevealed feels like a good reason the second special character isn't announced here.
Thorgrim as the hotheaded young go-getter he was established as pre High King in 8th also feels like a really safe bet, though honestly hope it's anyone else, as off the Throne of Power, I'm not sure he'd have much going rules wise to differentiate himself from any other Dwarf Lord.
Kragg the Grim would be a great candidate to bring back for TOW as he'd already lived several times longer than a regular dwarf even then.
Burlok Damminson's old enough to have an adult son by the 2500s, which would put him at around Ungrim's age, and could given an engineer lord option. Deeper cut engineer lord: 'The Magnificent' Sven Hasselfriesian's a contempory of Burlok's and would also be around.
Dullest option: Thorek. They're already rereleasing the Anvil, so why not make the basic kit a special character for the fifth edition in a row? 😬
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Well I stand corrected. Maybe Malakai invented a time machine
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5 minutes ago, Beliman said:
I see. Well, I woudn't mind if they retcon that. An organ gun from karak kadrin seems nice too
Ogre Maneaters made it into their legacy list, and they're not supposed to have started calling themselves Maneaters till Golgfag turned up, so you never know 🤷♂️
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Fantasy Kroot are an awesome idea @Trokair, but would Wood Elves or Beastmen not be more obvious fits to proxy them as? (I imagine you've thought about this a lot more than I have)
The Rumour Thread
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It's ok. We all posted results en mass to save Middenheim back in 2004, only for it to get blown up with the rest of the world a decade later. 🤷♂️