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7 hours ago, NJohansson said:
Only getting to summon 5 Pinks through the army ability really hurts. That and the nerf to the gaunt summoner really killed a lot of the competitive (maybe to competitive to be fair) options of the list.
I think we are still in a good place. Bel'akor, summoning 5 5++ pinks or 10 of the others is still good board control and obj holders. You can still cherry pick the best Daemons and jam them together and you get added resilience in daemons that don't usually get ward saves.
With the added battleplans more obj focused. I am still confident that LoCA will post decent results.
K'dai, Screamers, Seekers, bloodcrushers all move incredible fast and have that added save.
You just need to be more tactical with summons to fit what you need other than auto win summon pinks every turn.
Good positive change and I will still be jamming them into the new year.
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I have the book in front of me and all the points if you rat folk need any quick queries answering. No pics though as per rules. You got alot of points changes (I think stars are a bit misleading)
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Just to let you know I got my book this morning and StD have no points changes in this current released print. I cannot provide screenshots but those leaks aren't in the printed version.
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I got the book today and I'm not a LoA player but I wanted to give you good news. You are in the book and you can take allies from all factions still. Have a nice day 🌞
Edit: I haven't posted screenshots as per the rules and It's you still have allies haha.
Listed allies Chaos Gargants, Everchosen, Khorne, Monsters of Chaos, Nurgle, Slaanesh, StD and Tzeentch
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1 hour ago, Hannibal said:
While that double 5++ seemed to be appealiung on Plaguebearers though I often thought that a 5++ on Pinks is pretty insane. It turns the Pinks from 11 to 13 (at least).
I think you can build many different lists in Chaos Ascendant and that is a really good thing.
100% agree and I really didn't want LoC being oppressive because as you say it's such a varied army and so many viable and fun lists. This tones it down and so won't become the 'oh you are play X' negative play experience, which considering I have finished this army I am very very happy about 😁😁
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7 minutes ago, Gistradagis said:
There's no salt or quick judgement. If a unit has 2 abilities to avoid damage and loses one, that's a downgrade.
No I'm not, neither you nor I said anything about Nurgle being top tier. I simply answered that your point about this change helping BK/Nurgle was actually pretty much the opposite, and something that works against us. There's no judgement there to you, just how this change (with the info we have right now) affects us.
I think my point is that the changes are not Nurgle specific, everyone looks at these changes in there own little insular bubble. It's also only one rule and we haven't got the book to see the bigger picture.
The meta will shift. While Harbinger may not be used in BK lists, with point reductions etc you can shift your list to either just have more due to points or a different list all together not currently near the top.
I am with @Brodylan and play enough games against the filth to realise this hurts them more than it does Nurgle.
You will still have the 40-60% fat middle of armies and this squeezes it as it's a broad rule that targets everyone.
I accept you disagree though and we will have to wait and see.
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Yea our army will still be very good because it still gives the FNP to units that don't have them adding resilience to an army. I think you may see lists shift from trying to be 'you can't move me' to more 'ill hit you hard and fast with something now with a FNP and then summon pinks'
Either way I'm happy the GHB is shifting the meta and excited to see where the dust lies at the end.
Though I can see the people flocking to the salt mines already 🤣🤣😂
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11 hours ago, Gistradagis said:
No, it's the opposite. Rotbringers are nothing without the Harbinger of Decay, and with the recent rise in MWs from magic and the like, getting his shield + his command FnP was key to survival. This change just made our key unit more brittle and susceptible to hero-sniping.
I'll wait to see the meta pan out and what it's like at tournaments.
I tend to not let salt and quick judgements cloud my thoughts. Especially when I don't even have the book.
I think your confusing my optimism for saying that Nurgle is a tier one army. Also I won't be running Nurgle as my main army I'm on the LoC boat, Nurgle is my fun army.
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Just remember you get a wound save then you get a after death save. This just stops shenanigans with 5+/5++/5++/6+++ etc.
So you would lose your wound save for rend attacks but if you take the minus to hit plaguebearers get for example and maybe geminds gives, you can still get that durability that you'd expect.
In a way this might help with BK or Nurgle in general. As we don't hit that hard so people with abhorrent saves hurt us even more.
I can see the frustrations as this was done to correct a wider problem but I am hopeful we will be fine with drops etc.
This is a guy with a full LoC army (just finished) and Nurgle army haha.
#eternaloptimist
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6 minutes ago, backslide said:
I'm planning on trying fateweaver this week with a rage thirster hopfully spike the outrageous carnage right in the middle.... I dont have much in the way of endless spells yet
Lady fate does feel suitable for the legion of the dark prince doesn't she?
Amazing work dude!
I think the synergy with Kairos and being able to trigger that vital boom or stopping a potential game winning spell or as shown in the hilarious list getting Skreech spell off, is worth it alone.
It's fun in all the right doses. My friends don't mind playing against it either because they feel they are in it for large portions too. Which is hard to find in good lists.
Nothing worse than a game being 1 sided or non interactive.
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1 hour ago, meatpipeline said:
Can you post your latest list? You've definitely got me curious
Sure thing so as I don't know what you are looking for I will post the more competitive list and the hilarious list just in case.
Hilarious
Verminlord Corruptor [G] with 4fold blade - Echo of hatred
Kairos Fateweaver - Bolt of Ruin
BT of insensate rage
Skreech - Spirit Gouge
PlagueB 10
PlagyeB 10
Bloodletters 10 (I don't have more PB if you do run another 10 blob of these)
9 Screamers
Spell portal (Kairos uses this to snipe support heroes and do damage from backfield).
1990 with extra CP
More competitive version
I swap the Skreech for a Deceiver. Though I know alot of people run Bela'kor + Epitome which you can do by cutting down on my choices.
Tactics deployment varies on list but generally.
Verminlord/BT/Screened by screamers front line. Kairos screen in a bubble with PB X2 and then 3rd Battleline and other hero go mid field or side flank.
Always summon pinks.
Anyways very fun, lots of flex and play in list building and on table tactics.
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I have continued playing crazy versions and I want to point out a few findings in over 10 games now with this allegiance.
Kairos is a monster and I love him in this army.
Corruptor - autoinclude.
Flex for 4th slot I run a BT but I could see arguments for Epitome, Gaunt etc.
Screamers with a FNP and their move speed and loads of wounds are awesome and I'm running 9 to 12 to give me space (as most people give me first turn due to deep deployment)
Skreech is hilarious if you want to have fun. Bodge (for the non English speakers, change his roll to succeed) his roll for his spell with Kairos and spawn clanrats 🤣🤣😂
Lists I've played on various battleplans - Seraphon 4 times(3-1 in games so far), Ironjawz twice, Cities 3 times, Sylvaneth twice, Stormcast.
Disclaimer: not a top player, anecdotal evidence your mileage may vary, not tested Bel'akor really and I know he's very strong.
Chaos for the win!
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4 hours ago, Gwendar said:
@Blisterfeet I feel like Slaanesh hurts the most from it's allegiance abilities due to losing exploding hits and AFL.. outside of that though, yeah I feel everything fits in well. I like the idea of running a KoS but I'm not sure how well it would do compared to bringing along Flamers or K'Daai.
How did the BT do for you? I've been considering Skarbrand a lot, although I think running a large unit of Flamers + Exalted or K'Daai would work out better in terms of damage a lot of the time. Rotigus was in a few lists as well but.. really that was due to the board wide spell; he wasn't bringing much to the table aside from that.I tried K'dai and they were very good in a big blob but when you add in the model cost etc they were not THAT good, if you get what I mean especially as I don't own any.
I found Skarbrand while extremely good if he gets into a fight, his slow movement means he languishes mid board alot of the time.
I valued the higher movement, fly and AoE possibility of the BToIR.
Usually the list plays with a early charge from VLC, BToLR and Esske and maybe Daemonettes dealing with screens and clearing a hole for the VLC to stay alive and get through to the centre.
You then move the Kairos into the mid board, spell portal + gift to snipe a support hero and then summon pinks. The backboard is plaguebearers and GUO (I do try and keep him up with Kairos).
This on most scenarios will stop DS, Fly high, teleporting and allow to get the most obj to get a lead and maintain it.
I know the VLC can summon @TimeToWaste85 but he is usually either focused down, frontline and has so much around him the space to summon pb is not available, hence the backfield Nurgle hero with a ranged spell (with or without portal help).
I'm playing a 1 drop Ironjawz list this week. I'll let you know how it goes. So far though it's getting alot of wins, losing only to Kroak bomb and a Cities shooting list (40 handgunners). All the matches were super close though.
I think there might be other variations this one just perfectly fits my playstyle and what I enjoy. If I had 2 VL and some K'dai is be tempted to try that more as well.
I might try Archaon as well as I own him too.
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So I've played 8 games now with Legions testing out various lists and comps. The one below gives great games to top tier lists and I have beaten Seraphon bomb etc with it. That does not mean I am claiming this is the best, just one I have settled on.
**Disclaimer your mileage may vary and you may own or prefer different models 😊
Verminlord Corruptor with 4fold blade and Ruinous aura - Echo of Hatred
Kairos - Bolt of Ruin
Great unclean one - Spirit Gouge
BT of insensate rage
Syll'Esske
Battleline
PlagueB 10
PlagueB 10
Daemonettes 10 (could be bloodletters)
Endless spells
Spell portal
Vermintide
I think if you owned a keeper of secrets you could take out the Grandpapa Nurgle and Syll'Esske and put in a cheaper Nurgle hero for summons.
Also I think Deceiver + Verminlord is extremely powerful.
The best thing about this allegiance is that the viability of many lists and that most lists don't remove from the strength of the allegiance.
Also Verminlord C with 4fold buff with his own ability can slay so many things. I have one shot a Bastiladon with one just from fishing for 5s/6s
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Just did some quick math below, Its a 5 mins job so take what you will from it.
I think 20 Blightkings will probably survive the combat phase on average. Might even survive a full turn or 2 against mw spam, shooting etc.
I don't wanna wade in on the list Vs list discussion. I prefer a different playstyle but that doesn't mean 20 bk bombs won't post results.
The key here is the 4+ save column (already added the FNP) and against some of the big hitters with only warscroll buffs (not added allegiance stuff like pluses to hit or spell buffs)
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Spoiler
Allegiance: Legion of Blood
Leaders
Neferata Mortarch of Blood (340)
- General
- Lore of the Dead: Soulpike
Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (440)
- Deathlance & Shield & Chalice
- Artefact: Orb of Enchantment
- Lore of the Vampires: Vile Transference
Vampire Lord (140)
- Lore of the Vampires: Amaranthine Orb
Bloodseeker Palanquin (300)
- Artefact: Oubliette Arcana
- Lore of the Vampires: Spirit Gale
Battleline
40 x Chainrasp Horde (280)
40 x Skeleton Warriors (280)
- Ancient Spears
5 x Dire Wolves (70)
Battalions
Court of Nulahmia (150)
Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 132
Wondering what everyone's opinions are on the list in the spoilers. I don't think it's really groundbreaking but I do think it's a solid list with some nice damage dealers.
The Arcana idea is that with Seraphon, Tzeentch there are alot of spells that will be extremely hard to unbind 10+ so 1/6 chance to get this might be a low percentile but allow some funny moments.
Any tips of gravesite placements or new player ideas or list changes would be appreciated in these dull times👍👍
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Are Skaven players worried at all that if Stormvermin were reduced in cost that then suddenly they would just be the default battle line over rats?
What about the improvement of their warscroll to justify the cost? What changes could you make? Or a Horde discount as you get more?
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Taking out player skill > Tzeentch Chaos Ascendant and Slaanesh are near the top of warscroll efficiency.
Then you have Khorne triple Thirster lists
And finally Nurgle with Tallyband or Thrice.
All are viable and all piloted well can get results. Find the models you live the most, master a list you'll be good 👍
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Nagash is extremely strong and I am massively against dropping points because you drop here, then someone points to another unit and shouts drop here. Imagine if GW dropped points all the models people talk about be an absolute nightmare.
Make the warscroll worth the current points if anything. Anyways that is a side point.
Nagash is definitely worth 880 and has a place in OBR and LoN, not every list can be hyper competitive but you can 100% get results with LoN played as explained above.
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52 minutes ago, backslide said:
Pleased to hear it I have a bit to finish before I can put these on the table the way I want but that will have to wait till after the lockdown
It's a head scratcher of an army as you have these precision tools to do specific jobs and your opponent generally knows what you are attempting to do when you jam a KoS, BT, VLC and Fateskimer.
It's about bogging down the right parts of the board and clearing a hole to their key peices. And then figuring out when that isnt going to work and just going for horrors and plaguebearers to scrape over the line. It's not always pretty but an effective allegiance.
Hope to hear other people's experiences when they hit the real tabletops rather than TTS
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3 hours ago, 5kaven5lave said:
Legendary, thanks for this. Will have a look into a Harbinger and see what I can come up with. Do think extra CP is a great shout, there’s a lot of really good CAs in Nurgle but so little regen. I’d like to take the Aetherquartz Brooch but chances of using it in a GT post-quarantine are getting slimmer.
I am practicing without the use of realm artefacts I can see the shift happening and even if they don't then that is a bonus to a list that already functions without it.
I think you need to give your threats the CA of lord of blights early on and Harbingers. That's 2 CP right there. Then you wanna buff blades when you get into combat.
So in my opinion consistency is more important game to game. It's hard enough with Nurgle without getting those key buffs off. You have to play to your best ability against some of these lists to win. I beat a shooting seraphon list by one point and was basically tabled. For that reason that's why I want 3 turn one.
Again get a list set, play test it and don't be too quick to make sweeping changes. Good luck dude and have fun!
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4 hours ago, 5kaven5lave said:
Speaking of Nurgle Pestilens...
Gonna pull this out for a match vs. the ball and chain, it’s a bit janky but VC with a 4+/4+/5+ and Plague Monks that can run and charge for an extra attack and reroll hits and wounds, do mortals on 6s to hit and are also -2 to be shot and -1 to be hit in combat is too good to ignore.
This is using the models I have and won’t be getting more anytime soon (because, the world), so was just wondering if anyone had advice on Artefacts and whether the PBKs should be 10/5/5 or 5/5/5/5? Ta!!
Allegiance: Nurgle
- Host of Chaos: Blessed Sons
Verminlord Corruptor (280)
- General
- Command Trait: Foul Conqueror
- Artefact: Blotshell Bileplate
- Lore of Virulence: Glorious Afflictions
Lord of Blights (140)
- Artefact: The Splithorn Helm
Sorcerer (120)
- Lore of Malignance: Blades of Putrefaction
Plague Priest on Plague Furnace (200)
10 x Putrid Blightkings (320)
5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)
5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)
40 x Plague Monks (280)
- Foetid Blades
- 4x Standard Bearers
- 4x Plague Harbingers
20 x Plague Monks (160)
- Foetid Blades
- 2x Standard Bearers
- 2x Plague Harbingers
Blight Cyst (140)
Balewind Vortex (40)
Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 178
I've been playing around with something similar and with 5 reps since quarantine here are some things I have found Vs alot of current meta lists (Seraphon all sorts, Cities shooting, Tzeentch).
Your Blightkings really do want an additional save I feel. I invest equally heavy in Blightkings and I have now decided a harbinger is a must.
Plague monks work a treat I have decided for a smaller unit because of getting the space in most games to get all in just hasn't happened for me.
Anyways let's us know how it goes and what you find. The more feedback we give the better the lists can be tuned I feel. I've put mine below in the spoiler for reference.
SpoilerAllegiance: Nurgle
- Host of Chaos: Blessed SonsLeaders
The Glottkin (420)
- Lore of Malignance: Blades of Putrefaction
Harbinger of Decay (160)
- Artefact: Rustfang
Lord of Blights (140)
- General
- Command Trait: Foul Conqueror
- Artefact: Blotshell Bileplate
Plague Priest on Plague Furnace (200)Battleline
10 x Putrid Blightkings (320)
5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)
5 x Putrid Blightkings (160)Units
30 x Plague Monks (240)
- Foetid Blades
- 1x Standard Bearers
- 1x Plague HarbingersBattalions
Blight Cyst (140)Endless Spells / Terrain / CPs
Extra Command Point (50)Total: 1990 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 155
Admittedly you can go GUO instead of the CP, 10 Monks and Furnace if that is your preference. As I said I am still playtesting varieties.
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16 hours ago, nazgrim said:
Hello I have a little question: Can an army of the legion of chaos ascendant take endless spells from the different Chaos battletomes? For example if I have a wizard of Tzeentch, can I take the endlees spells from the disciple of Tzeentch battletome?I think you can but they would be the only one who could cast them.
On another note played the new seraphon endless spell list yesterday and while we didn't quite finish I was impressed by the resilience of the list against shooting and magic. I also can see with all the summoning of sticky units (horrors/plaguebearers) how you can eek victories out against even the toughest lists.
This might be my allegiance morning forward, great fun.
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2 minutes ago, Gistradagis said:
Man, saw that list, and I'm half-tempted to run it. It looks fun but, at the same time, like you'll live or die by spells and MWs, nothing else.
Yeah personally I run a different list that fits my play style. I see the appeal of this I'm just more of a fan of Blight Cyst and mortals
AoS 2 - Legion of the First Prince Discussion (Belakor)
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My bad, I was just listing benefits still in the LoCA army.
I just wrote my statement poorly.
I just think Bel'akor's abilities and giving already good warscrolls an extra save means this army will inherently be decent moving forward. Maybe not easy to pilot autowin like before when you just spam pinks and everything never dies.