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8 hours ago, Injuryprone said:
Do we not need units of 3 for objectives?
As @Dankboss said, mabe fellwater troggs can be a good option.
Rule of thumb for battleline troggs is units of 3 fellwater and units of 6 rockguts.
I personally like fellwaters, I'm running 12 fellwaters in my 2k list (and the beautiful troggoth hag ❤️) , but rockguts are a popular choice.
3 Fellwaters close to a troggboss has 6 in bravery so I often gamble with battleshock if some of them dies(if one dies one more will run on a roll of a 6).
But yeah, you and @Dankboss are probably right with adding units of 3s and fellwaters are good as MSU.
But i would include at least one cave-shaman for the cp-generation and hand of gork spell (teleport is such a great threat and utility tool)
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3 hours ago, Injuryprone said:
What would you run at 1k?
Somerhing like this (but i find 1k lists hard to build and I usually play 2k):
Allegiance: Gloomspite Gitz
Dankhold Troggboss (250)
- General
Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)
Fungoid Cave-Shaman (90)
6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)
6 x Rockgut Troggoths (280)
Total: 990 / 1000
Extra Command Points: 0
Allies: 0 / 200
Wounds: 68
Or remove the shamans and add 3 more rockguts and a cp. Or consider the new battalion for 140(i think)
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3 minutes ago, Neck-Romantic said:
Sad to see our forum so quiet. Heres hoping we get a new book this year!
Yeah i started to think that my notifications stoped working or something (cuz my other threads are quiet as well)
Fingers crossed 🤞 for a new book soon, when i look at the list of released battletomes our book is starting to be one of the oldest. So hopefully new light will shine upon us soon.
But who knows, there are teasers/speculations about vampire pirates, slaanesh is getting so much new stuff to they are probably getting a book soon, and of course covid-19 makes everything delayed.
I'm guessing a new book for us early 2022, maybe a white dwarf release in the meantime.
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58 minutes ago, anorek said:
If I may bother with another question regarding this particular battle/plan of mine - I am planning to hold the point and fight/heal rasps as much as I can.
I expect a lot of HGB units
Current list is:
KoSES, GoS, DBH, LO40x rasps, 3x SH
Was thinking to squeeze Arkhan somehow as an ally for healing boost and Years spell and great command ability so I can bombard potential magmadroth hero with soul drain
Will this hold decently for 2-3 turns?Hard question HGB are really powerful and have access to fighting twice (i think) so they kill most things in close combat. If he has the HGB with mw weapons then you are even more screwed.
I would try to play as safe as possible and prioritize to kill the heroes first before even trying to kill the HGB in melee.
For the list I'm not sure, this doesn't look like 2k and I have almost no experience playing with fewer points. But having only 2 unit (more like 1.5) to hide all heroes behind seems a little unadaptable, and hard to maneuver.
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1 hour ago, anorek said:
Thanks, that explains it well
Also, since the scenario doesn't allow me to leave my main point undefended - is it possible to perform charge in these circumstances?A line of rasps is pinned by an opponent unit - can Spirit Hosts, that are behind rasps on +3" distance charge into enemy?
I'm unsure of what scenario you are talking about.
But for the second question, yes, you can try to charge but one of your spirit hosts most end its charge move within 0.5" of the enemy's model. Because rasps have bigger bases than 0.5" you can't just end the charge in the back of the rasps but if you can wrap around the rasps with one SH model so that this model is at least 0.5" to the enemy the rest of the SH can end its move behind the rasps.
Remember that you have flying, this allow you to fly over the rasps when you charge. One spirit host model can fly over the rasps, end within 0.5" of the enemy, and rest of your spirit hosts can end behind the rasps. this is ok because you still keep coherency of 1" over a 25mm base.
**Examples**
E = enemy
R = rasp
H = hostNot ok (can't end within 0.5")
EEEEEE
RRRRRRRRRR
HHHThis is ok (one model ends within 0.5")
EEEEEEE
RRRRRRRRRH
HHHHHThis is more special but still ok (one model ends within 0.5" and keeps coherency over the rasps)
HEEEEEE
RRRRRRRRRRRR
HHHHHope this helped 😁
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33 minutes ago, a74xhx said:
Thoughts on using Fungoid as the general in the Mob? Hide him out of line of sight behind the loonshrine. Possible 2 CPs per turn. Give him hand of gork. Put the artefact on a trogboss. Everything else is based on troggoths.
Edit; Gah! Battleline, forgot about that!
Yeah those requirements 😑 for me the troggboss doesn't do much more than enabling troggs as battleline. I rarely use his CA but when I do I could have used all out attack instead just as efficient (not many units near which are also in an important combat) . I also often drown in CP so no real need to hide the general to preserve that Cp generation either.
I always run 2-3 cave-shaman and a troggboss, and sometimes the hag as well.
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35 minutes ago, Blair said:
Hey guys, new ogre here...... well I've played prop in rugby union for years so I've always been an ogre really
Finally decided to have a feed out of the great maw pot after years of starving myself playing skinny elves. Perfect timing I would say with the xmas army box out soon.
My favourite part of the hobby is getting out a knife and some green stuff to make models bend to my will (admittedly not very well but I'm getting better) to that end I've just finished a slaughter master and am about to start a butcher and a maw pot, and here lies my question. I build my own models fun fun, not any table top advantage, what is an appropriate size base or rough footprint for my maw pot?
Also a what's people's thoughts on tropical ogres. I've got old lizard man models kicking around and have no interest in a totally broken army so I thought of getting the conversion hat on, skinks in place of/mixed with gnoblars kroxigors as yeeties, orgres on cold ones and maybe on stegadon even. Some samoan tattoos on the ogers and it could theme nicely
Thanks for any replies to my long ramblings
Hi and welcome!
The pot's footprint is like a rectangle 9-10 x 17cm (depending on where on the model you measure)
Fun idea to make like Dino riders! I have a desert theme with some photos in a recent post if you are interested in some greenstuff inspiration. Because they are mostly bald it's easy to put hats on them.
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I have tried a few versions of Undergut lists and I have to say that i really became fond of gnobblars, especially if i included a tyrant in the list anyway. That 60-man strong block of battleshock immune dudes takes a while for the opponent to chew through.
One of the weaknesses with ironblasters is that they don't have a good way of rerolling any dice, volley fire is an option but it becomes super expensive because the canons are single units. Look out sir is also annoying, with artefact it becomes ±0 of course but then you are back on the swingy 4+ to hit. So i consider ironblasters to be more of a monster hunters option instead.
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For Bloodgullet lists I tend to bring 2 slaughtermasters (which follow the gluttons/ironguts around) and 1 butcher on a balewind vortex (in the back near the pot).
As @Kramer said, the boxes are very similar and have the same bodies as a base so its easy to mix and match the parts between sets.
SpoilerI have a box of each laying around at the moment, ups 😅
Ironguts to the left, and gluttons to the right. the sprues in the bottom left is the "unique" sprues for the ironguts.
If you get a SC-box, consider magnetize some of the different options so you easily can change things around.
SpoilerHere is my model (I have a desert theme)
This allows me to quickly change between 4 different heroes in the book.
And for those who are interested in my theme here are some other desert gluttons WIP, and I'm really slow as well...
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1 hour ago, Snakeb1te said:
So - would it be fair to say that this battleforce (and rockgut troggoths in general) are not very cash efficient?
For me a single box of rockguts costs ~35£ and they are only worth 140p.
And for the battleforce box, if you do not want the squigs to go full troggs, then the battleforce box is worth 250 + 2x140 = 530p. So - cost efficient, not really no.
Here are the white dwarf rules if you are interested.
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9 hours ago, Snakeb1te said:
Hi all - I'm interested in the Mawtribes battleforce but I need to decide between it and the Gloomspite box. I'm already an StD, Stormcast, Cities, DoK and Tomb Kings player.
Aesthetic
I do like the Gutbusters aesthetic a little more than the Frosty units. The models look awesome.
Points/Mid-tier viability
I read through the Mawtribes book today and it seemed a little underwhelming on the Gutbusters side. Would any good player recommend getting the battleforce as a good starting point? I do like the models, but I don't really want to buy uncompetitive models (as I already have fun thematic lists in other areas for that).
Monetary Value
Is the battleforce going to be good value? Are there any deadweight models I should be aware of? For example I am not interested in the Squig riders in the Gloomspite box, so it likely won't be a good buy unless i can get it very cheap. I want to know how much of this box you guys would say isn't that great, as well as which boxes I would buy to augment the force. I'm guessing it'll be more Gluttons... always more Gluttons!
Finally, would it make any sense to ally in Rockgut Troggoths?
Hi (again) I'm also heavily invested in mawtribe and especially on the gutbuster side.
Comparing beastclaw and gutbusters I would say that they both can perform great but beastclaw monsters are the slightly better option. That is mostly because gutbusters rely on magic and can be shut down when facing a strong magic army (or some bad casting rolls) . Ironguts can be nuts in their damage output, with buffs from spells and abilities, they can have 4 attacks each hit and wound on 2+/3+, rend -2 and 3 dmg, the opponent will cry facing that profile.
The box, to me, is somewhat of a mixed bag. In Bloodgullet (magic heavy buff subfaction) you are interested in gluttons and ironguts, maybe a few leadbelchers. So this box is missing out on butchers and slaughtermasters which are very important for them. Underguts (the shooty subfaction) is interested in leadbelchers, alot of them, but this box only has 4. They could also consider the Ironblaster as well as the tyrant for an artifact combo with gruesome trophy rack to help the Ironblasters (or leadbelchers) snipe heroes and monsters.
Lastly is the gargant, I'm not that impressed and I wouldn't play with that dude because other things does his job better. Can be a fun addition but not the greatest.
As for rockguts as allies, this has the same problem as the gargant, other thing does the job better. Rockguts can be compared to ironguts but ironguts has more attacks (but only -1 rend) but they have access to buffs and synergies that takes them far beyond rockguts.
But even a gutbusters heavy list can benefit greatly from a Frostlord on Stonehorn so if you dive into this army those models eventually appears around the corner.
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8 hours ago, Snakeb1te said:
Would any experienced Gloomspite player be able to help me out? I'm interested in the Gloomspite battleforce but I need to decide between it and the Mawtribes box. I'm already an StD, Stormcast, Cities, DoK and Tomb Kings player.
I'm not really that interested in the Squig Riders, would it make any sense for me to buy the battleforce solely for the Troggoths and Troggboss, or am I better off buying them separately? I'm not a fan of the Fellwater Troggoths though..
Also how competitive is a Troggoth army? Is it a total waste of time or will it at least stand up to semi-optimised lists?
I have a 2k army of almost exclusively troggoths with the addition of a pair of cave-shamans. I have great experience playing with them but I haven't investigated/experimented with moonclan/squigs/spiders.
They are slow but can hit hard and I really like them. The competetive aspect I would say is some what limited, we recently got an trogg update in white dwarf which is really nice and good (allowing us to return half a unit of troggs after they are destroyed). What we lack is flexibility to answer well to other armies, our only tricks are hand of gork (teleport spell) and a new battalion that let us retreat and charge/shoot. So the troggoths are a little one dimensioned due to only having a few choices when it comes so units. Rockguts has few attack, high rend, high dmg. Fellwaters has many attacks, ok rend, ok dmg. Yesterday I played against idoneth deepkin and had big problems with his tanky eels with a 3+ unrendable save, had 6 rockguts doing nothing against them because of they have few attack and rely on their rend for consistency.
I wouldn't expect to see them take you to the top in the tournaments but they are fun to play and are good looking models.
(they are absolutely not useless but might struggle against the top meta)
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9 minutes ago, CorvoMaltes said:
Hi, I´m playing 2000 points against gloompsite, any tips? I´m playing on tabletop so any kind of crazy combinations is possible. I-m not lokking for OP builds, just general tips against hordes.
Gloomspite has generally bad saves so gluttons should be able to get their damage through quite easily.
Bloodgullet is more focused on gluttons and magic, giving you buffed up gluttons ready to smash.
Do you know what your friend is focusing on in the gloomspite list? Moonclan, spiderfang, troggoths?
As an example, one of moonclans strengths is bodies to control objectives, so our stonehorns can be good to help counter that.
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36 minutes ago, Neck-Romantic said:
How about if you manage to drop a unit's bravery to X amount they automatically lose a model during bravery phase whether they pass or not?
Core rules say that you must take battleshock for each unit that has any models slain. So something need to die before rolling.
If the bravery debuff and the casualties are high can result in "X models fleeing + whatever you roll", but they need to fail the battleshock before loosing any models.
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2 minutes ago, Kramer said:
Yes. You roll saves. Then you do re-rolls. Then you apply modifiers and check for unmodified roll effects.
Somtimes people rearrange the order in their head to make it easier for them to think which easily can cause problems thinking "oh with - 2 rend i need to then roll 6s" *rolls*. Leading to not knowing the difference between "reroll failed hit rolls" and "reroll hit rolls"
So by learning the right sequence by heart you know that the dice only fails at the end and that you have the opportunity to do stuff beforehand.
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I prefer double hand weapons.
Receiving 1 dmg attacks without rend to your 12 ironfist will return on average 10 mw. (4*12*1.33/6) and for higher damage attack your gluttons will die sooner with fewer save rolls, so less damage returned.
Buffed gluttons in Bloodgullet can do some heavy lifting, especially with double hand weapons and they dont need to die to gain its benefit so they can gain even more value somewhere else on the battlefield.
A "trick" you can do is taking 3 gluttons with ironfists and charge right into a buffed horde unit with many attacks like mortek guards and let them destroy those gluttons. Because you do all save rolls before actually allocating the damage you have the potential to return alot because they are overkilling them. This is something i wouldn't rely on though.
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I would enjoy to see something similar to the coven throne's spell, roll against bravery and if you succeed the target is too afraid to fight back.
Or some way (like a spell) to force the opponent to retreat or flee, like the opposite effect of a great bray-shaman's spell. Instead of "move as close as possibly" to "move as far away as possible".
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2 hours ago, The_Dudemeister said:
Anyone remember what a Tomb Banshee is?
Every time in the past when I've tried to build more towards bravary debuff (in NH and later in LoG) i wanted my Tomb Banshees to do the damage after the debuffs were in place but i have struggled because of leader limitations. I wanted many Tomb Banshees to do dmg but i needed other heroes to do the casting of spells and so on.
I would love to see a similar approach to the Tomb Banshee as in the fyreslayers book where Doomseeker and Grimwrath Berserker are heroes but not leaders, so you can spam them if you want.
I also wanted to see a change to Inspiring Presence in the latest GHB but sadly not this time. I want it to be a flat buff to bravery characteristic, say +10 bravery for each cp spent, and that you can spam it on the same unit if you want. That would be beneficial for bravery debuffing synergies instead of just shutting them down by "spend a cp and be 100% safe". This would also make it more expensive for a cowardly army to never fail battleshock tests after heavy losses.
#makebraverygreatagain
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3 hours ago, Apok said:
Hello!
Would You be so nice and explaing to a noob the combination of these 2 spells?:)
Best regards,
Dirgehorn gives enemies - 1 to hit with a growing range over time.
Palisade have a chance of giving - 1 to hit to enemies within 6" on a roll of 5+ at the start of each turn.
So i guess the combo is just stacking - to hit modifiers. The thing though is that the palisade triggers at the start of each turn so the chance (only 33% btw) of debuffing comes the turn after you cast it making it hard to utilize. To use the palisade as a debuff you either need to pin the enemy down for at least a turn 📍 or predict the future 🔮.
Another combo that to me seems more likely is to have a Shaggoth with hailstorm (halve move and run/charge rolls for a unit) and ally in a Khorne daemon prince (halve run and charge rolls as an aoe) . The interesting thing here is that both effects halve the enemy's charge roll, this means that if the enemy is 3" away that unit must roll 10+ to charge! 10 / 2 / 2 = 2.5" charge. Why debuff a unit's to hit characteristic when you can make it unable to attack at all?!
(one spell that casts on a 6, and one cp for the command ability)
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21 minutes ago, AronQ_ said:
And what about this- if I have 20 bestigors and one model of the unit have 6 to hit, this model will have 3 extra hits?
On unmodified 6 to hit makes the attack becomes 3 attacks instead of 1.
And about combining things between books, as a rule of thumb you can't. But BoC has the exception of using some battalions and use another book instead of our own.
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Found the original (i think) with better quality.
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1 hour ago, Vasshpit said:
Could someone please post Gloggs Megamob?
Hot nasty trogg love incoming!!!!
I have 2 low quality pics but if you have some insight into what to read its possible, hopefully someone else has a better pic.
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7 minutes ago, ShaneHobbes said:
I'm pretty sure it meant 3-9 of the three trog types in any combination, not 3 dankholds. That would be horrible
Ok nice, i read that wrongly 👍 then this is is very nice 👍 😁
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Hmm i'm concerned about the requirements of 3 dankholds, that's 570p that you want to spend on big trogg units instead which you might return. [Wrong on my part, misread]Retreat and shoot is only really useful for fellwater, cuz rockgut shooting is an ability. Fellwaters' have a short range shooting of 6" so after a retreat they will at most reach the unit just beside the first fight.
Retreat and charge is very nice but our troggs are slow and you can't run-retreat" and later charge. This gives you a total of 6" to reposition and you have to be outside of combat. So i feel that retreat and charge another unit will be hard. BUT this ability enable us some neat tricks against the unit we are fighting! Say that only a few of your models can fight (due to range) because the enemy just tagged your unit in the flank, usually we only have the 3" pile to get more models in range, now you can retreat and make a broader front and charge again. This enables us to manage bigger units with more ease, which in this case have a chance of returning.
I believe the return mechanic is rounded to our advantage so 3 would return 2 and the one I'm more curious about 9 that return 5.
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I haven't played with my models in about a year, my go to solution is tabletop simulator on steam. 👍 Works fine, for the most part, and it's a huge upside to be able to test out things you don't own (yet 🤤 ) .