MitGas

Well, there are lots of different shades of pinks (from candy-colored to fleshy, to reddish to almost purple) and they could be multicolored too (like having blue limbs) seeing how they‘re made up of blue horrors anyways… in various artworks (and the background) they‘re much more varied than the minis by the Eavy Metal team. Some, like the Silver Tower sculpt got painted more interestingly too. The classic colors for each God are the typical choices but frankly you can paint a chaotic force however you please. Yep, blur or green or red or purple might be the go-to choice but those colors are not set in stone, usually just a form of superstition (as in lucky colors) and frankly have been modified, expanded upon and changed over the years anyways. So paint them however you want. Does it look strange to see green bloodletters? Yup, it even feels off after so many years of indoctrination. There‘s an established look for things but doesn‘t mean they have to be painted like that. I doubt Khorne would care, so why would you? Can‘t expect people to like it though but who cares, those are your minis. I think in some cases, like the one you’ve given, where you field a unit that is named after a color like Pink Horrors or you play an army with an established color scheme it feels a bit off but even within the confines of the background there is lots of room for creative paintjobs in those cases. They could just have pink flames or eyes. Limiting units of Tzeentch to any color feels pretty off anyways. „Disrespecting“ the lore might not be appreciated by others but if that‘s the case, try to play with other people. I‘d rather play against pink goblins if it makes my opponent happy. And they should be greenskins in theory. But invent a decent reason why they are not (might some pigmentation-mutation due to some rare shrooms and you can appease even fanatics of the lore and got some cool story for you army to boot. Dunno why people lament it, GW has always been pretty open about colors. There‘s only one solid exception in a tournament setting and that is when you paint e.g. your marines as another chapter than the one whose rules you use. I mean, explaining it would sort that problem too in like 5 secs but it is what it is…. So don‘t worry and mock the people that can‘t get over you painting your minis differently if needed! 🥳

I dunno if this would be the best way to remember (an open flame so close to the SC’s diary seems like a surefire (I’m not sorry) way to lose those notes) but he‘s at the very least adding a ton of style points!

Well, I think it‘s entirely fair to say SM/40k were/was first in that regard. But since SM are themselves based on classic knights and their entourage, the point is kinda moot. It could also be a nod to Bretonnians or RL if you wanted to but it‘s clear as day that GW wants Fantasy marines. Which is totally fine as long as other armies don‘t suffer too much from GW focusing on them as was the case in 40k. I‘d say it has gotten a lot better there as well and I‘d also say that SC got way too much (hence the nuke) but hey, at least the updates are good. the 4th ed box will be difficult to not get. Skaven look perfect so far and the new SC stuff is sexy once again, much like in 3rd‘s box.

Yeah, probably explains why I like them. Those guys mixed with the Curseling are what I really wanna see for DoT one day.

Well, you gotta appreciate a good challenge sometimes! Frankly, they don‘t seem THAT difficult to paint either, there have been quite detailed ones before. Get a decent silver, wash, do the edges and a big part of them is done well. I‘d say the hardest part are the brighter bits but that‘s less about skill and more about patience. I don‘t think I‘ll ever collect SC but I certainly prefer these guys to the basic ones… not sure how much of an argument ease of painting is for others, it’s irrelevant to me but I also know people that just want to hurry through it. I think SC still tick that box as most minis in their range are quite straight-forward.

They're looking great. Quite busy overall, kinda remind me of the SM Honor Guard or similarly blinged up figures but it works for them.

Yeah, for some types of paints it‘s not bad, that‘s true. But layer paints etc. have no business being in such pots for me. Thankfully I‘m not forced to buy them and there‘s plenty of excellent paints out there, so it‘s inconsequential anyways. I‘m a gigantic fan of going for the most cynical take as you‘ve so elegantly put it though! Might not lead to happiness but at least it doesn‘t lead to having only GW paints that annoy me! 😎

Nah, they do it cause people need to rebuy their paints more often and every other reason feels like an excuse to me. Requiring a palette? Take a plate outta your cupboard and that's good enough for a start. You need to thin GW paints anyways, it's not like they're truly 100% pre-thinned. But ok, you like them that way and perhaps less experienced painters like the economics in general, I can just say that I hate them and that's the single reason why I buy them less and less. I'm not gonna refill them to make them usable.

I use various brands, mostly Vallejo but I got quite a few Scale75 and Reaper MS paints as well. Citadel colors I mostly avoid these days, solely because of the pots used. I'd like to try other brands too but getting them is too much of a hassle and if they were better than what I have, I'd be unhappy with my current ones. Ignorance can be bliss after all! It's amazing that GW didn't change their pots to something good by now though. GW paint pots are inferior to ALL others since 25 years by now. The first ones used, the ones GW did with HMG, were actually the best as the paints at least didn't dry out in those.

That‘s an awesomely fitting way to put having to deal with Nurglites. 😂👍

Ok, ok, you guys saw it before me, message received, way to pee on my parade! 😝 I'll be in the cellar, flagellating myself for my transgressions!

Since I'm now legally forbidden from spying on Jessica Biel, I'm currently observing Whitefang! Nah, War of Sigmar, bud

Not sure if you saw this image... Those new Skaven are sexy beasts!

Either he fist-bumped the board or he's taking Kefka down with the fabled Bum Rush technique!

Nightmare/Taki/Cervantes here... despite only playing Yoshimitsu in Tekken! I never got past his commands being different between the two games. 😂 SC was such a fun series, too bad it doesn't get appreciated more.

At least not Street Fighter! 👺

He's playing Tekken with your feelings!

Yeah, that's unfortunately really unlikely - when the day comes that people can print GW minis from home, they might do more sculpts so that everyone can include whatever fantasy race they want. The 3d modeling now takes the most skill out of all steps but it's the easiest for GW. Definitely easier thanmaking molds and shipping products all over the globe. Perhaps they should add expansion packs for units like they do with Horus heresy marines but only sell the digital files in a way that you can't share them. Like a PDF kind of file for 3d printing. Then people could print more cool GW stuff while Gw still can make the basic troops and sell them as usual. I'm getting ahead of myself, I figure that would only make real sense for... you've already guessed it... spees mahrines.

Well, DnD has lots of very diverse regions in the sense of elves, humans etc. living door to door. But in a TT game it's definitely a notable exception. Ironically enough, the first TT force that had very racially varied units is the Imperium in 40k, despite being the most xenophobic bunch out there with Ogryns, Ratlings and the like (they justified it with these being meta-humans, apparently that's good enough, despite burning you at the stake if you got a 6th digit for fear of it being a Chaos mutation....lulz). I wanted to see CoS in a similar vein, ideally even more intermingled but like I've written in waaay too long posts now, it's hella difficult to make it work. So maybe more interesting WarCry stuff and non-human units could be a decent compromise...

I'm making a joke cause laughing about it is better than the alternative, I'm not hurting my point at all IMO but sorry if it offended you - they can't include everything, it's pretty much impossible if you take the logistics into account and there will be drawbacks (e.g. other variants would get excluded). To use another example that doesn't include sensitive RL themes in the same way as they're a bit more removed from real people: Let's say I hope to see more varied Kairic Acolytes (and it was their time to get a new kit). Disregarding the background of them using spells to look like they do - they shouldn't just all be buff dudes, I want some buff gals in there (like the single one we got with Underworlds, a shame we only got a single one), fat ones too, maybe some with hair, all bald and masked is boring after all, maybe even some Tzaangors that are also Kairic Acolytes. Or dwarfs. Or whatever else you think of, it doesn't matter outside of the fact that the minis will start to look very distinct - how is GW going to create a decent kit that doesn't look like an army of the same couple of clones when you field let's say 60 of them and the differences in body dimensions forces them to break up the kits into various groups? The Tzaangor Acolytes and Dwarf Acolytes would likely look pretty similar as the similarities gets more pronounced once they are more "identifiable". Same for the other "subgroups". And Kairic Acolytes are an easy example too as they all wear similar masks and have no distinct faces unlike CoS units. This however is basically what some in here hope for. All I'm saying is if you add this or that you will unfortunately lose something else. Doesn't matter if it's this particular model or another, but it's ultimately a trade-off as they don't have the resources to do everything. I hope you get what you want, I truly do, I have no skin in the game no matter what you think and I'm not out there to offend you in this discussion, I'm just playing devil's advocate but it's simply hella difficult to make it happen in a way that everyone gets what they want - that's what I'm saying. I'm all for GW adding aelf and dwarf units and put black or lady dwarfs in there (and I'd like to see more clearly Asian-looking (in the features) minis personally as well, I feel like they get overlooked), why not - I think Fyreslayers have those by now - so they are already established "in-universe". What I'd find much better is to find an overall consensus and keep asking for that - e.g. if they got another gun crew or steam tank that they make the minis in there more varied or that they add units of other races than just humans and repeat that like a mantra. I figure that people from GW read these boards and might like an idea for a unit in there. Why do you think I go on about heavyily-armored Tzeentchian Sorcerer-Warriors all the time? I do it in hopes of DoT getting their own kind o Chosen, maybe someone working at GW comes across my suggestion and think it's cool. But if we ask for "everything", it's kinda impossible for them to do it and they won't even bother.

I‘m not discussing that anyways, so don‘t try to twist it into something it isn‘t. We‘re talking about aelfs/dwarfs and mainly how it‘s difficult to make that reality when you have to keep in mind the logistics of it - a unit consisting of three races is very difficult as the unit would be more akin to let‘s say a WarCry unit than your typical kit. Parts wouldn‘t be interchangeable, the minis look more like clones than if you could mix them freely as each base fits all heads etc. then when you add those races in places where they would fit well, you‘d take away something else. I‘m not complaining that there is or isn‘t something in CoS, it‘s just damn near impossible to make everyone happy. That‘s the reality of it unless they being out various kits for the same unit (one dwarf, one aelf, one human) and that‘s most likely not feasible business-wise. I lament that CoS isn‘t as mixed as it originally was envisioned but I understand the problem why it isn‘t. Perhaps new units consisting solely of aelfs/dwarfs is the only good option. Or make WarCry etc. variants of units so that more non-humans etc. can be in there. But it‘s difficult for them to make everyone happy. I just packaged the reality in a snide remark, don‘t kill the messenger. 🫶

Well, it‘s up to them. I think Warhammer having a certain flavor is something that sets it apart from other fantasy IPs and it might be in their best interest to have a certain mood in AoS as well as people associate these concepts with all things Warhammer - I can see good aspects in either case if done well. BUT I think it‘s really unfortunate to have CoS start as a mixed faction at first and then taking that - by then - defining and quite unique (in a larger TT wargame) characteristic away but I found the segmentation of various forces to be a stupid move as well (like ONLY slayers, ONLY ardboys, ONLY whatever as the base of a new faction). I like variety, so naturally I‘d be all for mixed units in CoS‘ case but I understand the logistical problem with that in let‘s say basic troops. So they should just have new aelf and dwarf units in a new wave. Also, I liked the suggestion of having one of the crew members not being a human for example. But then you‘d either take away the lady or the black dude in that particular case, so someone is gonna be angry anyways. They really can‘t win! 😂

There are devotees of the Great Horned Rat from other species than Skaven? That’s really not news, that‘s just Skreech Verminking from this very board!

Oh, I’m pretty sure AoS will become even closer to WHFB/40k in mood and outlook as recent stories already feel more similar to the writing of old; it‘s already closer than it used to be and I think GW knows that people in general expect their particular flavor in all of their settings. Plus it‘s hard to argue that other Order factions would not be wary of Idoneth or anything Morathi has to do with. But I‘d like to see more variety in CoS as well (not because I like them all being dandy with each other, I don‘t care about them being happy together, they should be miserable if I could chose, I just find armies with lots of really different units much more interesting, I guess that‘s why Chaos always spoke to me as we got mortals, beastmen (well, a couple are left) and daemons ideally), it‘s just not the likeliest thing in my opinion. But I‘d gladly be wrong. It‘s no dealbreaker for me in either case, CoS would also work as just humans for me, especially if they promote them to the main faction in regards to having them be our eyes into the realms, as boring old humans are most relatable after all.

Yeah, I agree with you, that would've worked well there. Like I've said, I think mixed units are difficult to pull off but a mixed army would be easy if some units were just aelfs or dwarfs. Some special minis like crews could easily be mixed. But obviously it's not my call. I'd actually see a good use for WarCry in there, where they could create mixed units themselves that people could then mix with their AoS units.