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4 minutes ago, Mutton said:
Blood Stalkers are dreadful, and I don't really know how anyone can defend them. A 5-stalker unit can (at max) do 5 wounds per shooting phase...and this assumes every single one of them hits and wounds their target. Statistically, they'll do 1-2 wounds per shooting phase. For 160 points. As I said, these would be terrible stats even at 100 points. They were clearly "balanced" during the time when GW was stamping down on shooting in general, and they desperately need an overhaul.
Morathi doesn't need balancing in that way. Characters already have the disadvantage of not being able to use artifacts or command traits. In the current world of DoK, you would NEVER want Morathi as your general because she wouldn't get the Hagg Narr command trait (which is part of why temples need to be revamped and she needs to come down in points). Secondly, Blood Sisters aren't going to be considered op just because they're battleline. People use them as battleline already with Medusae. DoK players NEED more ways to play than just spamming Witch Elves, I think everyone will agree on that, and more options is not a bad thing.
Blood stalkers should definitely get more attacks at the very least or maybe some poison special rule for mortal wound potential. I've got to disagree with you on morathi though, she's pricey for sure, but in a tournament setting with time constraints where you usually won't get past turn 3, she becomes an insane wall that can shut down the momentum of key units just by existing. Play her right and your opponents beat stick or big horde of whatever might as well not be on the table anymore once she gets into them on turn 2 or 3. I also feel heartrenders or lifetakers could use some adjusting to be more viable options but I'm not sure exactly what should be done with them.
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Just now, Double Misfire said:
Shadow, inherited from Vlad?
When Nighthaunt and 2.0 were first teased everyone had her down as the Mortarch of Grief, which would have been a great fit with a permadead Vlad.
If only we where so lucky. But yeah I guess inheriting shadow would work. I guess that means abyss is also up for grabs if GW ever wants to do undead pirates again. Isabella as the mortarch of shadow could also be an opportunity to give soulblight their own standalone release instead of being a footnote in LoN.
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Just now, Harpo2 said:
What if Vlad came back as a Stormcast and Isabella came back as a Mortarch. That would be an interesting dynamic consider how in love the two were.
I do wonder if the Stormvaults are going to be related in any way to prison escape that Malign Portents ended on since it sounds to be a similar idea, historical characters returning to the Mortal Realms after being freed.
Vlad and Karl where broing it up a bit in the end times so it makes you wonder...
What would Isabella's mortarch title be?
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If it's the return of Vlad (or Isabella for that matter) I'd buy in a heartbeat. I know Vlad is super dead, but that didn't stop nagash from resurrecting him the first time during the end times. As I recall Isabella should be alive though since she should have the von carstein ring.
Also didn't one of the recent rumor engines look like a bone construct? What if Krell got turned into a Morghast hero? Now that's a model I'd pay to see!
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Rework temples since hag nar or whatever it's called is the only one I ever see played.
Bloodwracks should make stalkers battleline, I've seen this argued a lot and I agree with it.
Cap horde sizes for wych aelves and no cap discount.
Remove general restrictions on command abilities, slaughter queens on foot are useless otherwise.
Price hike hags, because a 60pt model should not do the same stuff as support models twice it's price.
Rework the avatar, they're a wet noodle until turn 3 so their an easy kill unless your opponent spams hags to puke out prayers.
Rework Morathi, you have to start hurting her from turn 1 to hope to kill her in a 2-3hr tournament game, had too many situations where she stays back for two turns and then rushes up and ties up my skeletons or slaanesh heroes and makes stops any momentum they had for the rest of the game. She is the only reason I can still justify the existence of instant kill rules like slayer of kings or dark temptations. Remove the 3 wounds a turn rule and drop her price. Alternate take is to bump up the wound cap to 5 so she can't be killed outright first turn but can be killed within 3 turns reasonably.
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7 minutes ago, Thiagoma said:
Oh dont get me wrong, i am 100% #bringbackSettra but definitly not an ally to Nagash 🤣
Lord celestant settrus would like to have a word with you...
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1 minute ago, Malin said:
Probably without run and charge, so he can't keep up, with 6" range wholy within ability bolstering mounted Varanguard.
Just joking, but hope for some cool looking model.
CSM already received a lot of cool models quite recently so it probably ain't something for them, unless there are Emperor's Children on the way.
If it isn't a varanguard on foot or plastic chosen then it better be phoenix guard terminators for emperors children.
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1 minute ago, Mungrun said:
Yes, even the Carrion King betrayed him if I'm not wrong.
To be fair the carrion king was the closest thing to a nice vampire we had before nagash gave him the vordhai treatment. Literally every other vampire backstabbed him (if it hasn't been retconned that ushoran is the carrion king)
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1 minute ago, Rogue Explorator said:
Are we sure it said ally? I don't think Nagash ever had one of those in the World-That-Was.
Aside from Neffi and Arkhan? Nah, even his other mortarchs where forced into it or had ulterior motives. Vlad was only in it for the promise of Isabella being resurrected (nurgle beat him to it), manfred is waiting for a chance to betray him as well. Krell is basically the closest thing to loyal as it gets outside of nagash's inner circle.
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9 minutes ago, Mungrun said:
Kemmler? If he returns he will be probably a Mortarch too
We getting the Kemler and Krell bromance again? All I want now is mortarch Kemler riding Krell in the form of an uber morghast.
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Well as much as i'm loving the new warscrolls, I gotta say the cost of the KoS kit is brutal especially since I want an extra one to make hellbane. $170 CAD is highway robbery, making it one of the most expensive models in the sigmar range along with posterboy models like archaon. Feels like a scam when compared to the other greater daemons kit prices. I'll be grabbing the book, fane and spells but man it'll probably be a while before the keeper graces my shelf. Will probably grab the epitome and another start collecting at least to pad out my current collection.
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16 minutes ago, Mayple said:
One does not always have a choice in the matter. Backing out of an alliance/partnership/whatever with any of the gods will rarely work, or lead to happy endings (unless you're Slaaneshi, badum-tsh!)
every ending is a happy ending for us slaaneshi 😉
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29 minutes ago, Sleboda said:
I keep seeing this, and it still baffles me. Sure, do we all want more and more stuff? And does it make us jealous when others get more than we do? Yep!
Still, that doesn't mean what we get is bad, lacking, poor, incomplete, substandard, etc.
Why not just enjoy the awesomeness to come?
For instance, I'm a big fan of Skaven. I thought for sure that their book was being pushed because GW was talking time to get a new model range ready. Nope! I was wrong, but the book was great anyway.
Note, too, that Skaven is a chaos power, and they didn't get any new demons - just one new mortal unit in the whole book. Plus, they lost a relatively new model.
Still great.
I mean to be fair Slaanesh is one of the big 4 and is compared to the other 3 as such, the horned rat just kinda joined the boyband during the end times and got shoe horned in. Plus skaven have a large roster of units, slaanesh being a decades old army does not. Slaanesh arguably has the least units of all the old armies.
Edit: I should add the caveat that for a long while all of chaos was basically one army, but once they splintered off slaanesh got shafted compared to the other 3 only getting one mortal unit and two mortal heroes, one being a named character (who was quickly demoted to nameless ****** like vlad or queek because like 90% of characters they got the axe in the end times) . As for daemons every god has a lesser daemon, 1-2 heralds, a greater daemon and 1-2 "monster" daemons like fiends and flamers. Of course this isn't including cavalry/chariots like seekers and bloodcrushers. So the disparity is purely in mortal representation, which is kinda a major longstanding aspect of the armies of chaos since their inception.
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Just now, Greasygeek said:
So anyway..
Anyone got some interesting knowledge/rumour or wishes for Forbidden power and Warcry? Maybe im a bit slow here but just discovered that the twin pyramid piece with magic energy between them from Forbidden Powers is the similar to the piece used for Nightvaults scenery. Whatever they means I guess that for at least this piece we can rule out that it is not an endless spell. So following this thought Im starting to think that maybe Forbidden powers isn’t endless spells at all OR maybe its a different kind of endless spells that summon scenery.
Or maybe its small scenery options that will have a point cost generic for all factions to use.
Since it's on a base I'd say it's either an endless spell or some new game mechanic.
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4 minutes ago, Sleboda said:
Granted, I didn't catch the stream, but how does leaving them out of the book mean they are gone?
They still have warscrolls and the Slaanesh keyword, so they are 100% legit, without even having to use allies. Right?
Armies are more than just the units in a single Battletome.
I mean, I just played in a major tournament against a Nurgle army that had a non-allied war mammoth in it, and that thing certainly isn't in Maggotkin. Not seeing the issue.
The "issue" (more of a gripe really) is that every god army can take StD stuff but aside from slaanesh the others have a good few mortal choices unique to them while we don't.
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2 minutes ago, Sleboda said:
Granted, I didn't catch the stream, but how does leaving them out of the book mean they are gone?
They still have warscrolls and the Slaanesh keyword, so they are 100% legit, without even having to use allies. Right?
Armies are more than just the units in a single Battletome.
Tell that to the fyreslayers.... Jokes aside they are really old models so I'm not surprised, we'll have to see if the warscrolls stay around in the app and on the webstore. Still sends a bad message across regarding slaanesh mortals.
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1 minute ago, Sleboda said:
The new Keeper and Fiends are awesome, and (maybe I'm on the fringe here) I like demonettes a lot. I think this army is going to be gorgeous in the table.
As to the axed units, what do you mean?
before we had 3 mortal units, those being hellstriders and 2 flavours of lord. The two lords are getting axed. Meanwhile the 3 other chaos gods still have 8+ mortal options with khorne having in the ballpark of 20 counting all the hero variants. And I agree the resculpts are gorgeous and that daemonettes are a good sculpt.
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Just now, firebat said:
"Not my army, I don't care, stop talking about things I don't care about".
There are times when I feel this but I also like to ride the hype train regardless of whether it's my army because damn the new stuff is always so cool out of context
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40 minutes ago, Sleboda said:
Not sure where is "clear" dropping of the ball is. To me, this new book looks like a major home run.
From a rules perspective yeah they seem to have knocked it out of the park, but from a modelling perspective we got the complimentary spells and terrain that every army is getting, a resculpt of two really old models and two new models. Meanwhile they axed two of our 3 mortal units. The other 3 main chaos gods have had larger releases with mortals included and with the exception of maybe tzeench, have had big story hooks with their army release. While it's not dropping the ball when compared to smaller and newer armies like fyreslayers, slaanesh is one of the four main chaos gods and has existed as an "army" for years so there is a precedent to follow there.
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Just now, Mayple said:
I agree with your point, but to play devils advocate to your devils advocate; Most Slaanesh players (unproven statement, requires backup), aren't going to prioritize rules over models/lore anytime soon, and it is in that regard that the disappointment exists. I'd be surprised if anyone claims that the new rules are terrible (heck, I think they're pretty good based on what we've seen so far), but that's not where the issue lies either
As a slaaneh player I am quite disappointed but I also don't want to drag on complaining when geedubs has clearly dropped the ball and isn't prepared to pick it up.
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8 minutes ago, King Taloren said:
Slaanesh.... five heroes, endless spells and terrain. Oh and we cut out the only mortals in the actual faction. And there isn’t anything big happening either, Nagash is the Gaarosh Hellscream for 2.0 and we don’t want to detract from that right now.
I'll play devils advocate and say that at least we are getting banger rules out the gate whereas most of the larger armies have either bad rules or useless units. So perhaps roster bloat is a bad thing, especially considering khorne effectively went through 3 books to get to the point their at now.
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30 minutes ago, Overread said:
Furthermore if AoS 3.0 were out chances are they'd be rolled into it; or it would be an expansion book rather like hte recent one Chaos got for 40K wherein its just rules and updates not a full functional army on its own.
I've been suggesting something similar, do a shadowspear and roll them into a dual box with aelves or something. Just have it be a suppliment booklet with warscrolls and maybe some command traits and artifacts specific to mortals.
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1 minute ago, Izotzuhure said:
I know, I know, but I think they were talking about Endless Spells and that should be ok, right?
Allegiance locked I'd think, but idk we don't exactly have many situations with armies using other armies endless spells outside of nagash and the nighthaunt spells and that's because it's explicitly stated he can cast them.
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4 minutes ago, Izotzuhure said:
It technically only says Chaos Slaanesh Wizards, so any wizard from the battalion should be able to do so. On the other hand, if you go heavy BoC in a Slaanesh army you could do the same thing with their Endless spells. I say heavy because that way you wouldn't suffer the side effects.
you only gain access to their respective spell lores if you are their allegiance. If your allegiance is BoC then you don't get the hedonites spell lore, because you are not a hedonites army, even with the depraved drove as you still have to choose your army allegiance at the end of the day.
Stormvault: The New Lore
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Harkon I'd doubt despite how badly I'd want him, he just isn't as popular as the others and would require gw to design an entire pirate themed army again (which I'd buy in a heartbeat.) Abhorash would be awesome, could even make Vordhai relevant again as the blood dragons would sooner follow their sire and patriarch or a crazed traitor. I'd even be down for the return of Ushoran for some proper FeC/LoN soup. Ushoran, Mortarch of Madness or Mortarch of Feasts sounds cool. Then again so does Abhorash, Mortarch of the Blade or Mortarch of the Hunt.