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8 hours ago, AaronWilson said:
What does the DKHM rating mean at the end of the list there?
Looks like it's just Win Rate multiplied by the meta %.
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Thinking about using a Mega-Tank list, basically making a very defensive mega-gargant that can charge onto you're opponents home objective turn one and sit there as long as possible soaking up damage.
My First list idea was
Stompier Tribe: Hold the Line
Bosses of the Swap Battalion (extra artifact):
Warstomper (General): Monsteriously Tough, Ironweld Cestus
Gatebreaker: Arcane Tomb (flaming weapon)
Footsloggas Battalion(Unified)
Kraken Eater
3*1 Mancrushers
So the basic plan is the Gatebreaker stays reasonably near the Warstomper to toss Mystic Shielf and All out defence on him, giving you (hopefully) +2 save to go with full rerolls, thus near unkillable General who goes right into the enemy lines turn 1 to cause havok.
I also like that Stompier Tribe gives those Mancrushers more bite if they can get into big units, but worry that losing the General's normal command abilities is too high a price to pay for that (and access to the Cestus).
So two questions for the community:
1) Is the core idea a good one?
2) Is there a better way of doing it?
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Had my first game with my Underguts in AoS 3 last night (been playing my way through all my armies since AoS3 dropped) and they are still a force to be reckoned with.
I used
Tyrant (General with Scars, Longstrider, Trophy Rack)
Firebelly (Ash Cloud)
FLoSH (Mental Cruncher,
4,4,8 Lead Belchers
4 Iron Blasters
Hold the line, Hunters in the Heartlands (all the battleline), Command Entourage (Artefact enhancement, all the heros) , Bloodthirsty.
I'll do a full battle report when I get a chance, but some key take-homes:
-FLoSH is a beast (no one is suprised), he took down a good 800 points of stuff without breaking a sweat. With mystic shield and all out defence he can tank almost anyting while dishing out pain left right and centre.
-Lead belchers are strong. The threat of Unleashing hell with the unit of 8 is a great way to control the board, equally no one want to be stuck in combat with them where you can dump out 8D6 3+/3+/-1 shots (with all out attack), the units of 4 can quickly clear away chaff and they are still solid in combat.
The Ironblasters are still very swingy but with more monsters about means they won't struggle to find Trophy Rack friendly targets and 8 * 3+/2+/-2/D6 shots scares anything without a 1+ save (although these are more common). The 24" range also means you can usually switch targets effectively if your opponent pops all out defence against your first pair of shots.
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With the new Celestial Tomb, Sons are just going to get better!
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4 hours ago, Maogrim said:
Depending on what the monsters like the sludgeraker and that other thing can do, it looks like Kruleboyz lists will be quite uniform: I'm with @NinthMusketeer and predict lots of Big Yeller gangs with Boltboyz, Skewers and Shamans. And while I really like that type of army it's also a shame that outright amazing models such as Gutrippaz, both Killabosses and the Murknob with banner feel so lackluster in comparison.
But then again, there's still quite a lot that we don't know about Kruleboyz yet, even if there aren't any new models.
That definitely feels like the way the wind is blowing but all it takes is a few Dirty tricks or core battalions with a Melee focus to completely change the balance.
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27 minutes ago, 5kaven5lave said:
Do we think today might be THE DAY when all the pre-order stuff is announced then?
Would be nice , but I suspect it's next weekend.
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Both core battalions sound interesting. Faster regular Gargants is only good and extra artefact opens up all sorts of options. Two Wizards and still get 5+ ward on one of them is particularly tasty.
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New SoB rules incoming!
The new battle tactics and grand strategies are unnecessary, but new core battalions will be great.
Also more path to glory rules, happy days!
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17 minutes ago, HostilSpike said:
Aren't those both Lore Spells though?
Yup, would need an enhancement (or second wizard).
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Hey all,
After a good few games and lots of conversions with other (events and casual) it's clear to me that 3.0 takes significantly longer to play (more so than just normal delay due to learning a new edition). In addition to this the fact that later turns seem to be important in more games (used to be possible to call the winner after turn 3 70%+ of the time). Combined these present a real issue for running events. If you don't have longer game times, lots of games will not get to the last turns or even make an educated call about how they will go. So to me time limits HAVE to be increased or risk pushing the mega even more towards God-character/monster mash armies (as they are more likely to actually finish the game). The problem comes when you move to say 3 hour games (seems about right to me), fitting 3 in a day is a stretch and 6 over two days seems unmanageable. So will we see some events going to 4 games (or 6 game weekenders going to 5 games)? Either way it's going to get harder to meaningfully separate players for larger events. Or will we see smaller events popping up? 1500 seems reasonable with the new smaller boards.
What do others think? Am I just getting slow in my old age or is the tournament scene going to have to adapt?
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Anyone else notice the nice little combo in the latest sneak peak. Gobsprakk can Sneaky Miasma himself to move 14" in the hero phase, making him nicely in range for The Black Pit.
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18 minutes ago, cyrus said:
Unfortunatly they confirmed multiple times on Facebook AoS profile that's all have been revealed for Kruleboyz. Stormcast probably will see some more before BT preorder.
Strange range : few units,very few battleline even compare to ironjawz and bonesplitterz, a lot of Monster heros ,just one non hero Monster.
Yeah, very strange. I'm hopping the other clans also get some count as battleline!
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4 hours ago, Guui said:
Could someone confirm the Big Shouts with me. As my understanting of the rule is as follows.
Unless stated to otherwise, the big shout command abilities are used on the WARSTOMPER not the mancrushers. Meaning that another character could use a different command ability (all out defence) on the mancrusher unit as their buff for the phase.
Basically, use big shout (command ability used on Wastomper) followed by using AoD on the mancrushers (ability used on mancrushers) in order to give them +1 to save rolls, rerolling 1s.
Would someone be able to either confirm or deny this interaction.
Yup, that's m understanding of how it works.
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I just hope they fix the 100 small ways the our rules clash with 3.0: Icebone really hate the limit on 6s triggering one ability. Bonegrins and Big Boss command ability is basically worthless, all the +1 saves are useless except on a Rogue idol....
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Another clue that we're going to be heavily monster focused. That spell is solid until we know more about the monsters themselves we're basically still as clueless.
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On 8/7/2021 at 4:14 AM, bonzai said:
Yeah, it's hard to give a lot advice with a battle tome around the corner. But good news! There are only 2 boxes to buy. Right this second, arrowboys and Wardokks are the big winners this edition. Hoping Wardokks don't get nerfed.
Honestly, I'd be amazed of Wardoks didn't get nerfed, spell, pray and dance is too good for 85 points.
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7 hours ago, baiardo said:
Don't know if I can ask here, however: Can I play a mega-gargant converted like that in a tournament/matched play?If I use any kind of gw head for him(i.e. like a mangler head) it's still legal?
Different events have different rules, but I can't see anyone stopping you playing a conversion that's so heavily modelled off the official model. For GW events the conversation should use GW bits for most of it. Other than that, go mad!
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1 hour ago, Karragon said:
Even on Archaon and Mega-Gargants it's pretty irrelevant, D3 wounds out of a pool of 20 or 35 is insignificant and I've generally found that lethality is such that even 3 wounds aren't going to make a difference, when something dies it usually dies 2 or 3 times over
I think it's only really a problem on models that both have damage reduction abilities (ward saves, good armour and other tricks) AND are tough enough to survive a significant attack. Gotrek is probably the best (worst?) example, amazing damage migration and tough enough that few units can kill him in one turn (also high bravery).
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9 hours ago, vinnyt said:
Sons of Behemat are insanely good this edition. I fully expect to see them dominating most tournaments until something changes.
Completely agree and feels like Gotrek is the only hard counter (sure can't usually solo a gargant in 1 round, but once you consider the rest of the army I think we'll struggle with him).
On an unrelated note, has anyone had a go a repositioning Mega-garagnt legs to make them less mono-pose. Hate having 3+ standing the same way but don't know where to start for repositioning.
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1 hour ago, Entombet said:
I thought you cant stack bonuses in 3.0?
The max modier you can get is +1 but the FAQ clarified that this is after rend (so+3 save cancelled -2 rend and still gives you the max +1, but against rendless attacks is still giving you only +1 on the actual roll).
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4 hours ago, Drazhoath said:
Sry for that question but whats the pupose giving Nagash 4 Mystic Shields?
They stop rend. Although in fairness 3 is enough in Petrefex who ignore 1 rend already.
"Idiots with Flags" Gatebreakers are just amazing. The ability to toss a 2+/2+/-3/4 rock should not be underestimated. Makes it even hard to play the objective game against us.
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18 minutes ago, Congratz said:
How was it not running a kraken eater?
It was fine, the smaller battlefield (and large bases) made it feel like could take the centre and then pop on all the objectives at will, so didn't really miss booting them around.
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Played my first 2 3.0 games with SoB last night. Simple 4 Mega list
Gatebreaker Tribe, Idiots with Flags
Gatebreaker: General, 5+ Ward, Louder than Words
Gatebreaker
War Stomper
War Stomper
Played against a mixed Celestial Vindicators list with some Dominion stuff and a range of solid traditional units.
I'll do full reports later, but basically it was a complete whitewash. At no point in either games did I feel like there was much chance of winning. The 5+ Ward generic artefact is crazy good, we're amazing at missions, the command abilities, hero abilities and monster abilities cover up a lot of our short comings. First game I was 20 VPs ahead and winning the fighting by the end of turn 2. Second game I auto won turn 3.
Bare in mind this was my first game of 3rd against a good opponent who has played a few games. 3rd is definitely SoBs time to shine (except against Gotrek,
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50 minutes ago, AaronWilson said:
After reading a lot online / my own experiences / what I think we will see going forward I think Unleash Hell could do with a tweak down the line to simply change it from that it can only be used on the unit that has been charged. This'll prevent screening a shooting unit, only to shoot with it when the screen is charged.
How have other peoples found Unleash Hell so far? Between that, Redploy (can't do same phase but still huge) and All Out Attack not being able to used in the shooting phase it feels like we've shifted a shooting meta further that way.The thing is all the movement away from the shooting meta is much more subtle. Many of the new objectives and missions push armies together and mean that a shooting focused army could easily lose the game in the first few turns but just getting too far behind in VP despite decimating the other army. Smaller boards is obviously another push away from shooting meta, as is that unit champions can issue some orders (less of an issue if your heros get sniped off). So far I don't think Unleash hell is problematic, but that said I've not played against 60 Sentinel LRM yet.
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Sons of Behemat Discussion 👣
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Offensively, Manticore Venom definitely feels better, but a wizard give you access to Mystic Shield (which can be applied to the Gargant in the thickest fighting) and give you both an unbind and the option of a dispell (without using up a heroic action), so feels like a better all round choice given the flexibility.