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Thanks for the nice write up. I'm in some what of the same camp. All my lists seem to have 2 versions, VLOZD and then the same list but with 2 units of BKs. I was late to the new book so Im still waiting to buy actually BK models. One other thing with our book is that we don't have a lot of good, unnamed hero options to be our general. VLOZD has the option of getting to a 5++ with Amulet and can be a buffing or utility piece with certain Command Traits. You can get some mileage out of some of the Command Traits on Necro but I do think Amulet on VLOZD is quite good. I think 10x BKs might be the better option in a lot of situations but I'm also finding that in Legion of Night I can get Pinions off pretty reliably (+2 to cast) and having a 20 inch flying anvil is pretty good with Zombies. Allows you to swamp opponents. If he's your general it also lets you get in range for CA's on your Zombies, which can be important. I do think VLOZD is perhaps outclassed in some ways by 10xBKs but he does fill a role and is a good piece. I'm trying out the Legion of Night CT that allows him to add attacks to Soulblight Units if he kills a model. It's only 12 inches though... wish it was 18.

Thanks! Just the mantic zombies. Super super cheap but decent models. I used all the bits and from box got like 50 zombies.

Some good points by you. As you can see from the above post, I'm all in Zombies so I agree with your takes I'm really liking VLOZD in Legion of Night next to Mannifred over Radukar. Radukar can buff Zombies in two ways and you can give VLOZD a CA to do something similar to Radukar. I do think Radukar is a solid option though. He's actually very tanky next to Nagash with his -1 hit and rerolling 1s to save. A nice option.

Here's what painting 70 zombies on strips of cardboard looks like in case anyone was interested Still WIP. Last picture is after some oil washes. Starting to bring them to life (or bring them to death?)

I believe so. It's listed as a shooting attack so it should work. Similar to Thanquol's ranged weapons.

Last time I'll post a list on here for awhile but I think after a few games I've finally fine tuned a decent version of Zombie list. We all know how important Necromancer's spell is and I've found without support it doesn't go off. Legion of Night helps with this and also offers some additional utility with Unholy Impetus. You could also remove Gorslav and lean more into Skellies and additional GG but I just dont have those models. I think this is a all around solid Zombie list if anyone else is looking to bring 100+ zombies. I wish the Unholy Impetus was a bigger range so it may not always work out but I'm interested to try it. The other attack buffing pieces in the book I'm not a fan of, regular Vamp Lord on foot being one of them. LEADERS Vampire Lord on Zombie Dragon (435) in Command Entourage - General - Command Trait: Unholy Impetus - Deathlance - Artefact: Amulet of Destiny - Lore of the Vampires: Amethystine Pinions Mannfred von Carstein, Mortarch of Night (380) in Battle Regiment - Lore of the Deathmages: Decrepify Necromancer (125) in Command Entourage - Artefact: Morbheg's Claw - Lore of the Deathmages: Fading Vigour Gorslav the Gravekeeper (75) in Command Entourage UNITS 40 x Deadwalker Zombies (230) in Battle Regiment 40 x Deadwalker Zombies (230) in Battle Regiment 40 x Deadwalker Zombies (230) in Battle Regiment 20 x Grave Guard (280) in Battle Regiment - Great Wight Blades TOTAL: 1985/2000

What do you guys think about this Kraggy list? It doesn't use a Mawtribe instead it goes all in on Command points. I think it does a few things well: -It has super tanky units. Kragnos and Runetokens FLOSH are naturally bulky and All Defense makes Ironguts pretty tanky as well. All of the big hitters are independent and, because all your buffs come from Command points, you can super easily move them to whichever unit needs it the most that turn. It's super low on wounds and model count but I think it would take a turn or 2 to kill one of the threats and the all of them can do some serious damage. Kragnos gives Ogors some anti-magic which is much needed. I'd love to give it a few games on TTS before buying Kraggy. Allegiance: Ogor Mawtribes - Grand Strategy: - Triumphs: LEADERS Frostlord on Stonehorn (430) in Battle Regiment - Artefact: Alvagr Rune-tokens - Mount Trait: Metalcruncher Icebrow Hunter (125) in Command Entourage - General - Command Trait: Winter Ranger Kragnos, The End of Empires (695) UNITS 8 x Ironguts (490) 2 x Frost Sabres (55) 2 x Frost Sabres (55) 2 x Frost Sabres (55) 2 x Frost Sabres (55) TOTAL: 1960/2000

Thanks. I thought so. He can also benefit from Morbhegs Claw "Legion of Night Wizards"

Do we know 100% if Nagash gets the Legion of Night keyword if taken under Legion of NIght? He gets teh Soulblight keyword so I'm guess The Cursed Bloodlines rules then applies to him? I really like that Legion of Night tech. The only thing about your list is I don't like spamming Zombies as much with Nagash as I do in other lists. I think units like Skellies, Direwolves and GG are more cost efficient with Nagash because they actually benefit from reroll 1 of saves and the reroll to hit. Zombies dont. That said, 40 battleshock Zombies are not bad for 230 I just think other units pair better with Nagash. I would look to at least bring 30 Skellies or 20 GG.

Imo Nagash should almost always come with Lifeswarm. He needs to stay healthy to get his pluses to cast. Just my opinion though.

I just played this matchup and I had 120 Zombies. They did okay. The units that got charged did their job and hung on for a round of combat and then came back to life (I had Gorslav). I was lucky and we rolled the mission that makes your battleline the primary objective takers so they we really important for that mission. I did get to pile in twice once and it was good. Killed a bunch of Yhettis and a Butcher, but Zombies are there to die and hold objectives. I wouldn't put all my resources into them to do dmg.

Its a good game for Necro because they dont have great unbinds for his spell. 30xSkellies would be really good this game. Zombies are okay but they wont get any back because Ogors dont have large infantry units. IMO Mannfred would is MVP in melee matchups. They have no real answers for him. He can do a lot and threaten their backline and weaker units.

Been waiting to pounce on some BK too... I can only practice games on TTS for so long lol.

Yeah I think it's a matter of playstyle and situation. Skellies would be better against certain melee matchups but wolves might be more consistent overall. I think have a hard time seeing an army with 4inch move infantry push out. Yes you can ambush 2x20 man Zombies but you may just get pinned in your deployment zone with the 30 skellies and GG. I think it would be matchup dependent but against top armies I dont see the Necro giving you much, even though I wish he could.

I think that would be a really solid list. I've been thinking about branching out into Nagash as well. I got some more games in and I can tell you that the necromancer against most armies will not be getting his spell off. Specifically in a Nagash list your opponents, any decent one, will save dispells. Necromancer is cheap and durable but usually fails do anything in my games. It's such a shame he doesn't get the rerolling of Vyrkos. The best thing about him is he is cheap and can use Pack Alpha, which is amazing. That said, i think a different version of your Nagash list has legs too. I really like Bella with Nagash because she can help disrupte some shooting armies. Also, Direwolves are good substitutes for 30x skellies. They get to a 4+ rerolling 1s, are faster, 10 more wounds and can fight better. That said the new coherency rules make positioning more challenging, but not impossible. Seems crazy to forgo a artefact and Command trait but Bella is so much better than Necromancer I dont think it matters. I also went with BKs over GG because they are faster, tougher and much more independent. Just figured I share some other Nagash ideas! I love the idea of Necro and Skellies plus GG, but his spell is just so freaking unreliable and those units really need the buffs. Nagash, Supreme Lord of the Undead (970) in Battle Regiment Belladamma Volga, First of the Vyrkos (200) UNITS 20 x Dire Wolves (270) 20 x Deadwalker Zombies (115) 20 x Deadwalker Zombies (115) 5 x Blood Knights (195) ENDLESS SPELLS & INVOCATIONS Emerald Lifeswarm (60) Umbral Spellportal (70) TOTAL: 1995/2000

Agreed. Not the biggest fan of the god meta but at least the mission rules are good. SBGL has some good counters to the melee heavy armies. Our ability to put 150 to 200 wounds on the table is also good counter to mortal spam and we have some tanky heroes. I havent faced Lumineth or top end Tzeentch lists but our matchups against most armies aren't terrible. I think we especially have good tools against Gargant and Ogors. Mannfred alone can really disrupt those armies by acting as a fast moving screen/distraction piece that they literally have no counter to

Has Radukar the Wolf's scroll been discussed in this chat? They warscroll im looking at says, "friendly" and doesn't require the SBGL keyword for either ability. Not that it's good, but he could be healing and buffing any Summonable Nighthaunt unit. Kind of funny.

Roar doesnt last until battleshock phase. At least i dont think so.

The tournament winning list has me reworking some of my lists. I think 20 graveguard fit really well in most lists. 280 is sort of the sweet spot for a unit that can hit hard when buffed but not so expensive you lose the game when they get shot off or miss a charge. I dont iown skellies so Im thinking up a similar list but with more zombies and some more mobility. Mannfred von Carstein, Mortarch of Night (380) Belladamma Volga, First of the Vyrkos (200) Necromancer (125) Gorslav the Gravekeeper (75) UNITS 5 x Blood Knights (195) 20 x Grave Guard (280) - Wight Blades & Crypt Shields 40 x Deadwalker Zombies (230) 40 x Deadwalker Zombies (230) 40 x Deadwalker Zombies (230) ENDLESS SPELLS & INVOCATIONS Chronomantic Cogs (45) TOTAL: 1990/2000 WOUNDS

Im use an airbrush and oil washes. Im ready to go. So I really really dislike the GW models. The tombstone on back thing is not for me. These are just mantic zombies. They are cheap and you get 50 from a box. Not many options but if you mix them up they look good. I prefer theas because IMO they have more of a hungry, shambling, horde feel to them. I don't like the sad, weird fantasy thing the new gw models have.

Time to base and paint!

Not a fan of the Graveguard list but really like the Kasetali one. You could win a lot of games with that list. Lacks bodies but has a ton of 3+ saves and good dmg output on charge. I think that type of list would do well for you!

2x20 only do two things well. 1st is they cost 115 points and the 2nd is the stand there and die :). Like others said, they are legit awesome in 40s and 60s. 6 inch pile in is so good. Also, you can bring back 20 and 30 with Gorslav who is only 75 points.

How many were you using? I think zombies are awesome.