The Red King
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7 minutes ago, Vasshpit said:
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Hmm, interesting...
Rachel Tongue, Games Workshop's current Chief Financial Officer, has sold roughly $875,000 of her share holdings in the firm, according to a share dealing notification Games Workshop published on Monday.
I'm no financial guru but that would traditionally be a bad sign yeah? I mean they're not allowed to trade based on inside knowledge so obviously they would never do that lol.
But maybe it's nothing?
Hmm on inspection. GW YTD, 6 month and even 1 month stock value is down. I'd love if this was backlash for Beasts of Chaos but A. It's probably just normal stock market stuff and B. It it was backlash it would be from the nerds who don't want to let cooties into their custodes.
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9 hours ago, Tonhel said:
@JerekKruger I would also bet on WoC getting a plastic set instead of Beastmen. A Chaos dragon would be perfect. But a plastic foot/mounted champions and sorcerer set would also be amazing. Even better if the champion and sorcerer set are seperate.
As a StD player in AoS, I am really looking forward what they will do with WoC Arcane journal. I certainly could see an expanded spell lore for the chaos gods. Tzeentch could have it's seperate spell lore like troll magic in O&G Arcane journal.
For beastmen a plastic Tuskgor/Razorgor chariot or centigor set would be great. But this is probably very unlikely.
Maybe, just maybe there were a couple of designs already finished for BoC in AoS, but were never put in production. If those were already designed they could release it for TOW, although this would be quite painful for the BoC players.
Wouldn't it be swell if we get kicked to ToW and then ignored there too.
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1 minute ago, ScionOfOssia said:
They may not have had a Big Stabba, but they DID have players.
I don't know how to type the "hype man yelling ohhhhhhh" in Goat noises but just mentally fill that in for me.
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Games workshops Instagram: "What's your favorite faction!"
Oopsie. That keeps going for every comment with more than 10 likes.
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4 minutes ago, Captaniser said:
They look great, wonderfully grim and positively dark. Now they've shown a remake for the stormcast and Skaven, and today a new unit for the lightning fellas, so next week we might see either official model reveal of the Ratling canon.
But I am left wondering what niche these Reclusians will fill, for at a glance I am not so sure what they will be able to do that the Praetors and Annihilators can't already do. The lore snippet makes them sound tanky and immune to most inhospitable effects, but can GW make them standout enough though?
Nope. Due to rules overlap we're going to also be discontinuing paladins* (idk any stormcast names)
* Feel free to proxy your minis but we won't allow them at our tournaments or stores which will inevitably translate to other stores not allowing them at their tournaments and then somehow also translate to a subset of the community acting like you're committing some grave sin by putting your filthy proxies on the table with their pure GW army built with GW brand superglue making it a total toss up on whether you'll be able to use your minis so why not just buy more?
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I mean on the one hand they look cool at a glance.
On the other they're just overly busy stormcast minis that look like good guy chaos lords and don't really live up to the hopes we had for ruination before they started showing us stuff.
Don't get me wrong they are neat but look at people's speculations before they showed off the ruination chamber and after. We're settling.
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1 hour ago, Sarouan said:
Oh I did experience consumer outrage very well. I left GW for a long time after how they treated Battle and went to other games / companies thinking grass was greener there.
Eh I don't intend to try any other games either. If I feel like it I'll proxy my guys and if I don't I just won't play any miniatures game. Either way I won't buy anything and I can't imagine I'll come I'll ever come to regret not spending money hah.
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48 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
With a bit of luck GW will listen to their community and in 5-6 years (based on their working timings) we will have a wave with diversity for CoS.
*Narrator* They did not.
In all seriousness though there is zero way for them to track the sale of potential diverse/integrated kits and we've seen that player wants have zero impact on their market strategy. I mean how would they even know people want it? It seems like they either aren't listening to fans online or are actively choosing to ignore them.
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41 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
Steelhems (Free Guilds) are just a part of the military machinery from the Cities of Sigmar. Maybe that one won't be too appealing, but we could have another branches with diversity. One that is very likely to come soon is the Ironweld Arsenal. Let's see what happens once we get that one.
Ironweld arsenal, if made up of dwarves and taken to an AoS level, seems like it would be quite close to the Kharadron. Yes I know they could make them suitably different but... will they?
On that note maybe people should just be clipping the cannons of arkanaut frigates to make great cannons or whatever they're called and call it ironweld?
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50 minutes ago, Sarouan said:
And you end up seeing what you actually do : putting a lot of money in something that's basically not worth the money it asks,
I already see this. It isn't emotion driving me to stop buying from this company. Relativistically I am under no delusion about how serious (or in this case not) this situation is, but my reaction to it is valid and I don't feel like telling people they'll get over it when they're older and wiser is helpful unless your goal is to shield GW from the consequences of their actions.
I don't think you haven't experienced what angry players are feeling. I just think you're not giving consumer outrage it's due credit. Every time we excuse bad business practices we invite bad business practices. I for one don't have any desire to get sucker punched again.
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6 hours ago, Sarouan said:
GW old miniatures get and how they plummet once GW sells them again. If anything, it's actually a gift to own an army that's not supported by GW anymore : its value suddenly skyrockets*.
I know you kind of address it on your subtext but:
"Actually you should thank the guy who ran over your dog because now you can maybe make a bunch of money off a kickstarter for his medical bills!"
Is just... it makes it easier because you're either having a laugh or just completely out of touch.
I didn't get into AoS to make money and compared to the time and energy people put into their armies the rate of return would be pennies on the hour.
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1 hour ago, BarakUrbaz said:
Yeah, a lot of the talk about which factions are "safe" kind of reminds me of this endless cycle I see mainly in 40k. A certain faction hasn't gotten any refreshes in a while, people constantly whine about how neglected they are, GW finally gets around to updating said faction, people move onto complaining about the next faction that hasn't gotten an update.
Its just that now since the always present "is this army going to get squatted" paranoia from AoS fans has been kicked into overdrive from the recent tragedies this has morphed into "any army that hasn't gotten sufficient updates is prime candidate for squatting". When Ogors and Fyreslayers get updated people are going to start to say that Kharadron and Idoneth will be on the chopping block.What a terrible state of affairs for GW to put its customers in.
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6 minutes ago, Grungnisson said:
2. Yes, and 1-2 is a fail. And do you know what's a quicker and simpler way of presenting it? By using D3.
Granted I understood the rule but as written "when you roll a d6 and it shows a 2 it isn't a 2+" is a bit... of a choice.
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34 minutes ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:
Counter charging is really strong, can totally swing combats and triggers relevant "on the charge" abilities like impact hits. Flying units can even charge over screens on reaction. 2 CP seems justified, IMO. At least relative to All Out Attack and the like.
As for shooting, if they forgot to remove mortals on hit again, I think that ability will eventually move to 2 CP, too. But maybe they actually cut that out of the game in their warscroll overhaul. Let's wait and see.
I don't think charging shouldn't cost 2 only that it should be the same as shooting.
31 minutes ago, Gaz Taylor said:Probably because Covering Fire can only target the closest visible unit and has -1 to hit rolls! Counter Charge is more powerful in my opinion as you can choose your target and doesn't have any negatives apart from if you are rubbish at rolling dice (like me!
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Overall, I quite like these changes. Adds a nice layer to the game and all seem useful. Can see Redeploy being used a lot to contest or capture last minute objectives!
"Gaz Taylor has quoted you. Oh ****** I finally said something too angry didn't I?" Lol
But yeah I agree it's strong. I just think they could have put the same limits on charging "closest target -1 inch" rather than double the cost.
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Why does charging cost twice as much as shooting when you already have a much shorter range and unreliable result?
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9 minutes ago, novakai said:
I think it is necessary to have a poster boy faction and Stormcast is just design to be beginner friendly compare to any random army that people think could take up the mantle (like CoS is actual poor choice design wise to be it). It one of those GW choices that are meant to help new players not really the existing player base.
the real problem is that they decide that their edition cycle are three years long. If they decided to make their edition cycle longer then the bloat would be as bad for both Space marine and Stormcast
Hard for me not to think the plan is to lure in the beginner and then invalidate their army on a cycle to make sure the cash flow never stops.
Oh sure they might break the mold every other edition so the fans call people crazy for thinking they'd do it again, but if I can think of this then why wouldn't they. And what does it cost them but a little goodwill? A little trust? Well a few new minis and their rabid fans will make sure that's no cost at all. In reality the whales are probably already keeping this game afloat. Microtransactions and subscriptions and Card games set the stage and now every business has a RESPONSIBILITY to their shareholders to learn the churn n burn dance.
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2 hours ago, Goatforce said:
https://woehammer.com/2024/03/25/the-old-world-meta-stats-24th-march-2024/
As far as I know these are the most recent tournament results. In the 2000 point bracket I think they have a win rate of 63%. Now obviously it is still early days so the Meta is still shaking out (and I am hardly an expert comentator), but as far as I can tell the BM are pretty strong.
I was in agreement but also that's only 20 games and the only tournament we have says O&G beat beasts like 3 times and no beast list placed over 8th place. I'm gonna argue that my point still stands. These changes were not based on objective data.
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39 minutes ago, Hollow said:
and what exactly have they done? Remove models that had a big flashing neon sign above them that screamed "NOT LONG FOR THIS WORLD". The fact you didn't use your eyes or brain isn't GW fault. Also, I thought you were done with the hobby now that Beasts are gone?
Sorry buddy. You can peddle that somewhere else. What I said was I'm not buying anything from GW and this dumpster fire of an opinion might as well have the Warhammer logo stamped on it.
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36 minutes ago, KingBrodd said:
I just cant comprehend this sudden decision that Ogors may be on the chopping block?
Ogors have way more of a narrative presence than BOC and Bonesplitterz combined.
GW wouldnt have put an Ogor unit inside COS and given it unique lore if they were going to squat the Faction.
Destruction is only 3 and a half* Factions I would highly doubt they would get rid of the only one in need of a refresh for zero reason as they dont even have a presence in TOW.
This is a real problem woth BOC and BS being axed. The uncertainty causing anxiety and fear mongering.
*Sons of Behemat can be taken by any Alliance.
Again I don't really think they'll go but;
Do ogors have more narrative presence? Seems like we've both got a few antagonist roles in novels. A few named characters mentioned but never put into model form. Other than the warcry band what have Ogors gotten?
Beasts are present in the lore of about 5 different armies. And represented in miniature form in 2 or 3 (if you count the spire tyrants) so being in another armies lore and rules is no promise.
The 3.5 factions thing is fair unless they decide they'd rather make something new and "kindly ask" that you buy a whole new army.
Again I don't think they'll go but I think GW deserves not to be trusted after what they've done.
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1 hour ago, michu said:
Beastmen are in the top 3.4 but that's not a big difference either. I didn't see any targeted nerfs for the 3 armies above them despite them overperforming by one percent but whatever.
Any lists to look at. I'm not about to buy anything so it's more curiosity than anything.
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39 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
Give them time and the argument would fit for all the factions involved.
I don't think they're going to be removing mangler squigs and boingrot bounderz or what have you from ToW so I'm not sure if that's accurate.
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I don't think ogors are really in danger but I don't think ToW is actually the measure of safety with cities dwarves, slaves to darkness, and gloomspite gitz all sharing kits across their ranges.
It seems like that argument only applied to beasts for some reason.
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1 minute ago, Mortal Wound said:
My sentiments exactly. Warcry would have been an even more stellar game if it stayed narratively focused on Eightpoints and Chaos Weirdos as a self-contained ecosystem. That's the game pitch I initially fell in love with and wanted to see expanded. What I didn't want to see is the current 'anything goes', Smash Bros style melting pot where you have three skinks, a Lord Relictor, an Idoneth wizard and a Kharadron Overlord fighting against Callis and Toll's crew and Jelsen Darrock in a meat tree forest. I think there was simply a lack of faith that this original concept would have sustained the game and they immediately shoehorned AoS models into it without giving it time to breathe.
They were afraid they'd have to release beasts if they kept doing chaos only and they couldn't have that.
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The Rumour Thread
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Posted · Edited by The Red King
Ah punga. I have some truly excellent night runners from them but when I bought them at least it was such a gamble. Their customer service was like "yeah send the money to this random PayPal email and you'll get your minis eventually"
They were right and totally worth it but it felt risky lol.