Neck-Romantic

Gettin a bit worried from all we've seen so far, ngl

Perhaps these warscrolls were developed solely for arena of shades... the first tome changed some stuff up from the first battlebox too 😬

Oh I like that

I want a thematic, fair fight, with some dirty tricks and scary tools. Not an OP steamroller that no one wants to play against.

@Boggler so impact hits with extra steps. But the -1 per model charging is a bit much; better to rely on any collective (and newly implemented) bravery debuffs themselves to add setup and synergy. Or, ya know, just cause impact hits like I suggested : P Maybe make it so an enemy unit only ever suffers impact hits once per round so its less spammy and spreads us out

They really need to just make Glaivewraiths out anti-monster bois. Smallllll unit size tho so theyde need some tweaking, but its a niche they could fill

I also agree with @Beliman in that I would prefer a thematic approach, that ties the army together as being frightening and intimidating

I would also change Wave of Terror. Its too much of an all or nothing. I would replace it with NH units that make a succesfull charge move deal impact hits to represent they do not 'charge' across the intervening space, but simply appear in the midst of enemy formations in the blink of an eye horror-movie style. Wouldnt neccesarily have to be MW's, but d3 mortals or regular wou ds pet unit, maybe 2d3 if they roll a natural 10 or for larger beasts

My thoughts on bravery would be either the point-buy, cursing a target unit, or turn-based cumulative effect that does; "enemy units have a maximum bravery value of x" that gets worse and worse. Doesnt over-juice low bravery horde armies, rightly terrifies high bravery armies, and then makes our -1 and any other stscking penalties more potent. My idea would be Turn 1 = max bravery 9 Turn 2 = max bravery 8 Turn 3 = max bravery 7 And so on. Give a hero or the Mourgul some shreik abilities here and there that impose a -1 bravery on top of that and suddenly we are a high-bravery counter army Could lean into it further by army wide ability that states enemies with a bravery value of "x" or less (say 7) get -1 to hit nighthaunt units, and enemies with a lower "x" (say 5) all nighthaunt get +1 to hit or wound etc Might be OP, tweak the numbers maybe but would be a way to tie it all into bravery and make it thematic, and it has precedence with all the incremental turn based stuff we're seeing.

Your point being change ethereal to only ignoring 1 point of rend *while also* improving saves from standard 4+ I assume

Another reason Im hoping for army-wide frightful touch. We also have a smattering of 'slay model' type abilities that could be expanded, and bravery shenanigans, though those are always massivly hit or miss.

With continuing efforts to streamline the game, -1 to hit and/or wound is about the most we will likely see in the way of defensive boosts. In that vein it would be nice if these abilities (like shademist) were commands or auras, rather than spells that can fail to cast or be countered, and give us something more robust as a fail-able defensive ability, like preventing the chosen unit from being targeted by spells or ranged attacks from further than x" away or things of that nature

Good point. "Why cant we just fix them and make it only apply to them?" "Shrug"

Scriptor's quill had better be a ranged attack representing him scribbling down injuries 🤣

Well unless both warscrolls reroll their own hits Imma still call it a nerf 😑

Well when your main army consisted of 12 spirit hosts with a torment, and 2 to 3 groups of bladegheists also with a torment... yeah its concerning 🤯 Potentially gutting both my hammer and my anvil. Feelsbad

Wonder whats happening to bladegheists then, too. Their synergy with the ST doesnt make sense now too (or is at least less intrinsic)

Torment losing his reroll aura? Reroll hits aura was a huge chunk of my spirit host heavy army

You know, I always have high hopes for new books, but this time I have pretty high *expectations* for the next book. Its been plain for the last few years that GW is aware of NH's lack of specific tools in their current book, and have tried to shoehorn them in with supplements (our heroes or notoriously low wounds, bodyguard rules, bravery shenanigans lackluster, no subfactions) so I expect most of these issues WILL be addressed in a new tome. The unimpressive stats so far could be due to faction-wide Frightful Touch, or other triggers. It really wouldnt take much to make even the curre t warscrolls much more competetive with subfactions that simply grant frightful touch, or improve ethereal, or improve deathless spirits, etc Armies like Idoneth and Necrons' pioneering of turn-based effects could see NH getting something similar. Even something simple like a cumulative -1 to enemy bravery each turn to represent the NH's creeping dread could be quite impactful

Do we have an anticapated eta for the book yet?

Looking at the page itself; Awlrach assists in movement shenanigans, has some form of impact hits with the prow, and supposedly the oar hurts. The craven throne crossbowmen sound like they have some form of synergy with Kurdoss himself, perhaps they will get to shoot when he makes melee attacks

For the crossbowmen; it really wouldnt take much to make them quite spooky (lul) as an assasination squad coming from underworld deployment or spectral summons. Abilities that trigger with wounds dealt or enemies slain or threshholds reached are all part of our (unpredictable) toolkit, so lets not rule them out yet. As for the boatman and the librarian.. yeah more heroes wasnt quite what Ide hoped for, as Necrons suffered the same for years. Rather than an overhaul youde get slight tweaks and a new bland hero. High hopes for new book

I love to paint and re-pose and kitbash... but I also enjoy playing the game. And to actually enjoy playing I need to feel like I have a reasonable shot at winning, without having to know every last intimate detail of my opponents force balanced against my own before I even show up to the venue. Even local tourney scene has become "you must do this vs that and that vs this or you lose" which is a bit of a shame. I havnt got a game in since before covid and feel a bit too out of touch to know which enemy model will singlehandedly table my army if it isnt countered.

For all we know he could have a ranged attack or spell that allows him to re-roll or modify his judgement rolls if he causes wounds/slays enemy models. Definitely reserve judgement.

They look fantastic!