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On 10/29/2018 at 2:39 PM, pforson said:
Hello fellow Dwarfs,
I'm still considering how to field a 1250 point Order/Dwarf list and was hoping for some advice on the following ideas:
My first idea is a Greywater Fastness Army:
Runelord
Celestial Hurricanum with Battlemage (Manned by Dwarfs)
30 Ironbreakers
10 Longbeards GW+Shield
10 Longbeards GW+Shield
Celestar Ballista (Dwarf Iron Hills Ballista)
Celestar Ballista (Dwarf Iron Hills Ballista)
Plan is to keep everything inside the +1 to hit bubble. Hurricanum is protected by the Ironbreakers (which can be buffed by the Runelord and 10 Longbeards to give them hitting power) Ballistas are screened by the other 10 Longbeards. Basically, the Hurricanum kicks out MW's and the Ballistas offer a long range threat. Everything slowly advances keeping Shield Wall up and if they bother charging the Ironbreakers then the counter-strike should be significant.
My issue with the list is it's very slow and compact. I will never reach objectives on the other side of the table, but hope to win central objectives late game. We only play on 4x4 tables, which should mitigate some of the movement issues. Thoughts?
Second idea is basically to replace the hurricanum and the Ballistas with Stormcast Cavalry to offer better movement/hammer options.
Tempest's Eye Army:
Runelord
Lord Arcanum on Dracoline (Scibor Dwarf bear Cav!)
30 Ironbreakers
10 LB
10 LB
Evocators on Dracolines (Scibor Dwarf bear Cav!)
Pretty straight forward Hammer and Anvil approach. Ironbreakers advance slowly up the center supported by the Runelord & 10 Longbeards. 10 Longbeards hang back on a home objective and the Dracolines charge forward to attack supported by the LA.
Not sure if Evocators are the best SC heavy cav option...
Thanks for any advice, ideas etc.
PeteAnyone? Anyone?
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I'm running Bullgors because they're big meaty awesome beasts (and the Mierce Minotaurs are brilliant models). As has been said, they are great against Monsters and large heroes and reasonable against hordes. They die to shooting.
My 1250 point 1 drop Brass Despoilers list :
Doombull, Beastlord, 3x3 Bullgors, 2x5 Centigor, Ghorgon, Brass Despoilers.
I've been experimenting with various command traits / artifacts, but not settled on anything yet.
It's really straight forward to play (which I like). Basically take objectives / screen with the centigor and try to get the charge with the Bulls. Play/hope for the double turn to wreck face. They are certainly not Tier 1 and will lose against any top tournament list, but against similar melee focussed armies (khorne, Ironjawz) they can hold their own.
If I were to expand to 2000 then I would bulk up one of the units of Bullgors to 6 and then add as many Chimera as possible.
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Hello fellow Dwarfs,
I'm still considering how to field a 1250 point Order/Dwarf list and was hoping for some advice on the following ideas:
My first idea is a Greywater Fastness Army:
Runelord
Celestial Hurricanum with Battlemage (Manned by Dwarfs)
30 Ironbreakers
10 Longbeards GW+Shield
10 Longbeards GW+Shield
Celestar Ballista (Dwarf Iron Hills Ballista)
Celestar Ballista (Dwarf Iron Hills Ballista)
Plan is to keep everything inside the +1 to hit bubble. Hurricanum is protected by the Ironbreakers (which can be buffed by the Runelord and 10 Longbeards to give them hitting power) Ballistas are screened by the other 10 Longbeards. Basically, the Hurricanum kicks out MW's and the Ballistas offer a long range threat. Everything slowly advances keeping Shield Wall up and if they bother charging the Ironbreakers then the counter-strike should be significant.
My issue with the list is it's very slow and compact. I will never reach objectives on the other side of the table, but hope to win central objectives late game. We only play on 4x4 tables, which should mitigate some of the movement issues. Thoughts?
Second idea is basically to replace the hurricanum and the Ballistas with Stormcast Cavalry to offer better movement/hammer options.
Tempest's Eye Army:
Runelord
Lord Arcanum on Dracoline (Scibor Dwarf bear Cav!)
30 Ironbreakers
10 LB
10 LB
Evocators on Dracolines (Scibor Dwarf bear Cav!)
Pretty straight forward Hammer and Anvil approach. Ironbreakers advance slowly up the center supported by the Runelord & 10 Longbeards. 10 Longbeards hang back on a home objective and the Dracolines charge forward to attack supported by the LA.
Not sure if Evocators are the best SC heavy cav option...
Thanks for any advice, ideas etc.
Pete -
Ok, cheers chaps!
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On 10/16/2018 at 4:34 PM, Furuzzolo said:
Regarding Irondrakes they add 1 to attacks if MORE then 10
Where is this rule please? I can't find it on the Warsroll (It says shoot twice if they didn't move and no enemies are within 3").
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Ok thanks! - I'll have a look at the other thread.
Quick question regarding the Runelord - If you take more than one, can they both use the -1 rend ability (on the same unit to give -2)? - It says: 'In your Hero phase a Runelord...' implying only one can do it? Or have I misunderstood? Thanks! -
Hello,
I see that most all lists here are with the Dispossessed Allegiance. Has anyone tried to make an Order Soup list with the bulk of the force being Dispossessed?
I'm asking because...
A: I have lots of painted Dwarfs that I wish to use for 2 game systems and as such I'd like to decide which ones I should base onto rounds for AoS.
B: Most people who play AoS here are competitive and play the latest armies (Idoneth, Nurgle, Nighthaunts, DoK) and I feel with simply Dispossessed I will be somewhat trounced...
We normally play 1000-1500 points Vanguard (2 battleline).
If I were to use, for instance, 20 Longbeards with 2-handed Axes (2x10) as battleline, 10 Irondrakes and 30 Ironbreakers (sit on home objective) with a Warden King and a Runelord that comes to 960 points leaving me 540 points for something else from all of Order. Any suggestions?
Thanks very much,Pete
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13 minutes ago, Samanar said:
If Ogroid Thaumaturge is in then I'm diving head first as well. That's the one model I always wanted to paint but wasn't interested in Tzeentch (daemons) esthetic.
Yeah, it's an awesome model. Here's mine:
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Hello fellow Dwarfs,
I played Dwarfs in WFB and use them in KoW as well, but I was thinking of basing some on to rounds for AoS. I played a little AoS during the first GH, but used Skaven, so I'm aware of the basic rules, but I'm not up to speed with all the new changes/updates.
The models I would like to rebase are the following:
30 Ironbreakers
10 Irondrakes
20 Hammerers
Runelord
King(possibly 20 Longbeards with 2H-Axes, although I'd rather keep those for another game if not completely necessary).
I also have an unpainted Steam Tank new in box that I could use as an Ally.
From what I've read in this thread, it would appear that I have a reasonable starting point, although it sounds like I need to buy/paint another 10 Irondrakes.
The AoS players here rarely play 2000 points, preferring 1000, 1250 or 1500. I believe the tournaments they run are usually 1250 points with 2 battleline units. They play relatively competitively, mainly using the newer factions with battletomes, but aren't hyper competitive. I believe they play on 4x4 tables rather than 6x4 (which might help the Dwarfs, regarding movement).
My questions:
Can I make a dispossessed army that can at least hold it's own against the likes of SC, NH, Sylvaneth, Khorne, Seraphon etc at 1250 points?
Can I do it with the models listed?
Are dispossessed generally fun to play and to play against? (I enjoy close games with difficult decisions for both players, the winner is unimportant)
Should I consider painting up a Gyrocopter, Orgun Gun or Cannon as allies?
Any general suggestions regarding Dispossessed at lower point levels?
How about this list @1250 (actually 1260, but I'm sure it would be fine):
Runelord
King
30 Ironbreakers
20 Hammerers
20 Irondrakes
Thanks
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What does the Skaven Battalion do? And how much does it cost?
Thanks.
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2 hours ago, Rogue Explorator said:
If that was not what you meant to say, fair enough, but I can only answer what I read. And I read a suggestion that I considered dangerous to the game. I am not looking to pick a fight here, I just saw a critical flaw, that, to me, warranted pointing out.
Dangerous to the game? - we're discussing toy soldiers, not the Pentagon Papers.
In fairness, I was simply responding to someone else who suggested the strengthening of weak, boring, unusable units in order to bring them more in line with everything else. Something which I wholeheartedly agree with, as there's nothing worse than having a load of beautifully painted paper weights sitting on the shelf.
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27 minutes ago, Rogue Explorator said:
Improving some units is fair and square. I'm just trying to advocate for an even hand here. Powercreep has sadly proven its destructive qualities repeatedly.
But this is not Powercreep.
Powercreep is when GW releases a new army - the ClementWeather Eternals - and proceeds to make them better than everything else that already exists.
I'm suggesting that weak units be improved upto (not beyond) the power level that has already been established.
I realise this kind of balance is not easy to achieve, but it should at least be the aim.
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1 hour ago, Rogue Explorator said:
I have to disagree here.
But some units are simply unplayable (and also downright boring) as it stands.
I'm not advocating that everything should be super duper über powerful, but that weaker (boring) units should be improved in order to give them a purpose.
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On 11/24/2016 at 3:40 PM, Shane said:
Rather than increase any point costs, instead look at the units no one uses and ask why. Are those too expensive? Do they need an ability/combo tweak? Don't immediately punish the good units. Improve the bad ones.
I think this is a key point.
Don't ruin the fun of people playing with powerful units by increasing their costs, instead improve the effectiveness of units that are currently not being used - this way everybody wins.
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22 minutes ago, James McPherson said:
Jeff Nguyen said he had more Fimir coming...
Is that in addition to that which we already know about?
I see a Fimir army in my future. Now where did I put that copy of Heroquest...
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12 minutes ago, shinros said:
Slaanesh army is annoying as hell in AOS(and they hurt). When they get updated it will be super-duper wonderfully awesome.
I agree.
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1 hour ago, Sleboda said:
Nurgle has been featured prominently over the last few years, in fluff and models (Glottkin book and model just for a start).
Tzeentch got his own game that even crosses over into mainstream AoS.
It's not all Khorne.
Nurgle schmurgle.
Let's have a look at this:
- Khorne: Massive mortal army for AoS, decent daemon army with several new large monsties, only chaos god to have a dedicated 40k codex.
- Nurgle: 2 decent AoS armies and some newish monsters from ET. Pants in 40k.
- Tzeentch: A few daemons and a board game.
- Slaanesh: Barely anything.
But that's all irrelevant. Instead of Khorne they could have given us something for one of the 700+ factions yet to recieve anything new.
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45 minutes ago, Bowlzee said:
Could always sell it. After all it's a FREE £18 character. Not a core troop model
Good idea.
For Sale: Khorne chap with silly sword, sealed as new, £15. A saving of £3 off the RRP!!! Free postage.
I really should be getting some work done...
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5 minutes ago, Bowlzee said:
At the end of the day, it's a FREE model. So no one should have cause for complaint
I guess it can sit in the drawer next to my still sealed free Space Marine from a few years back...
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That's not my point.
GW always forgets that there is more than one Chaos god. Free or not, it'd be nice if the other gods got some love.
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4 hours ago, DamonRafael said:
my local store told me the free mini in the new WD will be a slaughterpries with hackblade. But take it with a lot of salt!
Why always Khorne? Boring...
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Beastclaw Raiders
Hmmm. I was hoping for Gutbusters.
Why do they keep releasing Battletomes for the Armies I like, but always seem to choose the mini-faction from said army that least interests me.
grumble grumble grumble...
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Hi,
Really super tool. Thanks for all the effort.
A few minor points:
- Heading 'Description' doesn't appear unless you manually re-type 'Description'
- Can you maybe add a little bit of space between the sections? - I've taken to adding a line with a full stop in order to create breathing room, otherwise it's all a bit cramped.
How are you going to handle Warscrolls that are full page?
Ta,
Pete
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28 minutes ago, The Jabber Tzeentch said:
Rumour: Ogors
Type: New plastic models
Date expected: 2016
Contents: new Warscrolls for Froat Lords, Sabertusks and new Waracroll battalions. Battletome expected.
Source: General's handbook
Estimated cost: Unknown
This will be my second AoS faction. Hopefully all the units will be in one Battletome!
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