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On 12/19/2019 at 10:57 PM, Sinfullyvannila said:
It’s 20.42 damage on 5+. So you’d need the 2nd pile in.
A skilled opponent isn’t going to let you get that though.
I think 6 has legs in an everchosen list where you know how aggressive you can be or not. It’s not super competitive and will fall down in some scenarios but in the 2 games I’ve used it in, it did very well (against petrifix and IJ’s).
Like I say I appreciate it’s not top of the pile. Saying that though, I think people under estimate how effective a combo of dark prophecy, the dark master and 6 varanguard with spears can be.
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38 minutes ago, Kurrilino said:
As soon as someone has a horde army you will go down.
Varanguard are not made to fight hordes and Chaos warriors have not enough punch.
Sorcerer Lord on Manticore should be autoinclude in every list
I’m not sure you’re right bout varanguard.... 9 attacks hitting on 2s wounding on 3s (esp rerolling 1s) -2 rend n 3 damage a pop will rinse though most horde units. Not to mention buffs from which ever mark/aura you go for. Then there’s the second pile in if you need it.
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On 11/6/2019 at 12:13 PM, Holy_Diver said:
Anyone had read some battle report about the blood and glory? 2nd e 3rd are Slaanesh... (1st Hallownuke, the new nightmare)
I came 3rd. Played a mirror match game 5.
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On 11/13/2019 at 9:43 PM, Ninjon said:
I'm not so sure this tactic is so easily dismissed. If you run two blocks of Mortek Guard (our best unit overall anyway), in the shape of "L'" that are side by side (with the bottom of the Ls touching each other), with the 2 harvesters towards the center, you can really cover a majority of the board and take two objectives. Something like this:
11111111111111111 2222222222222222
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H 11 22 H
1111 22221: Guard block 1
2: Guard block 2
H: HarvestersThen models you remove will always be in the two clumps near the Harvesters (note that these are not EXACT diagrams), and both will trigger off of both blocks of Guard. Since damage is done one at a time, when you assign the first damage to either unit you simple apply it to the model that is within both 3" Harvester ranges. One dead model = 2 4+ rolls to resurrect one. If you resurrect 1 (or 2...) from this damage, you IMMEDIATELY resurrect the model, place it back on the table within range of both harvesters, THEN move onto the next assigned damage. In theory you won't ever be targeting a model outside of both Harvesters range.
Does this tactic still have downsides to it? Sure, as said its relying on a big point investment in Guard plus 400 points in Harvester support, but this army should be running Guard heavy anyway. But the blocks can separate if the need arises. And of course, if you take out the Harvesters, the combo falters.
While this seems decent on paper, surely that will leave you with very few models actually holding objectives. Maybe 2-4 (maybe 6-7) models on each.
You’d probably find people winning objectives off your without charging you with this tactic.
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16 hours ago, Lord Krungharr said:
I have used Slaanesh Archaon (before the Hedonites book) with a Lord on Daemonic mount and regular foot Lord, so he can run and charge (CP for 6") and attack twice in the combat phase. That was pretty awesome, and I don't have the new Slaanesh book so I imagine it could be even more awesome now. But certainly a mortals focused Slaanesh army.
Unfortunately there’s no longer anything that can buff Archaon to activate twice in the combat phase
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13 hours ago, prochuvi said:
Yes fyreslayers are op and are inmortall.....but the datas show that fyreslayer have won 1!!!!!!(that they didnt win,they ranked 3-4 on killing and objetives,only due to paint points and players behavious they finished 1)tournament.
In the same time slanesh have won 4 tournaments,so it is easy to see how fyreslayers are VERY easy to counter and only noobs loose against them,but slanesh have zero counterplay and are easy to play so they are the best army rigth now
Only noobs lose against them.
13 hours ago, prochuvi said:Yes fyreslayers are op and are inmortall.....but the datas show that fyreslayer have won 1!!!!!!(that they didnt win,they ranked 3-4 on killing and objetives,only due to paint points and players behavious they finished 1)tournament.
In the same time slanesh have won 4 tournaments,so it is easy to see how fyreslayers are VERY easy to counter and only noobs loose against them,but slanesh have zero counterplay and are easy to play so they are the best army rigth now
13 hours ago, prochuvi said:Yes fyreslayers are op and are inmortall.....but the datas show that fyreslayer have won 1!!!!!!(that they didnt win,they ranked 3-4 on killing and objetives,only due to paint points and players behavious they finished 1)tournament.
In the same time slanesh have won 4 tournaments,so it is easy to see how fyreslayers are VERY easy to counter and only noobs loose against them,but slanesh have zero counterplay and are easy to play so they are the best army rigth now
Only noobs lose against them.... I don’t want to come across as harsh but you’re response is short sighted, ignorant and insulting to anyone who has ever been beaten by them.
Please note different match ups and player skill go a long way into deciding games - not just the army itself.
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It’s comical how there’s a thread about slaanesh summoning like it’s the only broke thing in the game.... what about Fyreslayers with +2 save and a ++4 ward. So one army brings back what you kill (ish) and the other can’t be killed.
Theres always broken builds. Dok held that throne for a good while, then fec and skaven. These 3 have been ‘nerfed’ and they’re pretty much just as powerful.
The next 4 battletomes will counter slaanesh, and FS... and the power creep will continue.
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Malerion is himself a god (after becoming the incarnate of the lore of shadows and being consumed by the warp at the end of end times) so couldn’t be corrupted by chaos. Morathi on the other hand has become a Demi god (basically a greater daemon in her own right) and could be corrupted to chaos.
Not that I’m convinced it’d happen, but who knows where the lore will go in the next story arch.
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I agree it was disappointing not to get any mortals, but what is being released is stunning. Some armies have had more new units, some have got less.
I feel that people need to accept what is, and move on, because wallowing in negativity is not healthy.
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4 minutes ago, Aryann said:
I'm starting to think that we will see Malerion Aelves at the seminar since it seems that Slaanesh is "not a big deal" everybody was expecting, with his great event similar to Soul Wars and stuff. Just a "next army release" and if that's all they had to show with Slaanesh at the last preview - a weak release compared to 3 other chaos gods. It may turn out that Malerion will be the star of AoS 2019, like Idoneth and Kharadrons were of the previous years.
😂😂😂 not sure why people keep saying this - gw confirmed at the seminar that not all the models were shown in the reveals vid/pics. Far from guarantees mortals or slaangors however, could just be referring to a named kos and herald for example.
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10 minutes ago, Overread said:
Honestly if there's more I'd be very (happily) surprised at this stage. When GW did Daugthers of Khaine the only thing they held back on was a full view of Morathi, otherwise they showed it all and they tend to show most of what they reveal in the video. Often leaving out photos and details of one or two things shown until later, but they all appear in the video itself.
And they've done that this time too - they didn't show off photos of the terrain feature nor did then name or detail the twins and mirror model.
There is more - gw stated that there were more models on top of what was seen in the vid/pictures.
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17 minutes ago, rattila said:
So, rumor engine recap !
What are your toughts?
The chaos/seraphon one looks like the tail of the new kos
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9 minutes ago, Aelfric said:
It doesn't make much sense lore-wise, though. Ironjawz and Greenskins I can understand and is logical since Ardboyz are recruited from the toughest Greenskins, but Bonesplitters and Ironjawz are worlds apart from a philosophical perspective.
You could say the same about spider riders and night goblins, or thunderscorn and beastmen.
As we have seen, to say it doesn’t make sense lore wise doesn’t really mean that much because lore can develop and change.
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I agree that it’s highly likely that ironjaws and bonesplitters will receive similar treatment to Boc and be thrown in together.
I also expect ogors n bcr to receive similar treatment. Moves of this kind make good business sense - it increases the demand of all units involved. Plus it resolves the tactical limitations to both sides of each faction.
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7 minutes ago, xking said:
Will Tom did say that both factions would have "unique" new models. I believe he got that from whatever Source he has. ( or I'm misremembering)
But who knows, it's a rumor.
Tbf he could be wishlisting. Top bloke but his predictions/information should be taken with a pinch of salt.
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1 minute ago, Austin said:
As I was trolling through the AoS facebook page trying to see if the community folks would give away if mortals were coming out, someone asked about using the KoS kit to make N'Kari and the official AoS community managers 'liked' that post. So..maybe there is chance for that?
That’d be cool! Might be a completely new character like rotigus though 🤷🏻♂️
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4 minutes ago, Austin said:
Ok cool, thanks for pointing that out. Yeah we are all going to speculate this into the ground haha. BUT- at least the rumor thread will be full of people with rumors about an upcoming release. Chaos brings everyone together.
I guess at the least it means a named kos. Would be amazing if it meant another couple of units though. But either way, it’s pretty sweet.
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Just now, Overread said:
The thing is they didn't mention in photos or specifically call out the terrain feature taht shows in the video. Also whilst they showed it off they didn't mention anything about the two deamons and the mirror/portal. So "its not all" doesn't mean that we are going to see more models; just that they will flesh out what hints we have seen already.
Marketing talk is always hazy when it comes to stuff like this and its always best to treat it as worst-case. Which in this situation means we've seen all the new models we will get for a while.
Lol they said we hadn’t ‘seen’ everything during the conference. Haha brick wall vs head moment.
Still doesn’t mean mortals are inbound. I’d like there to be but no one knows.
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2 minutes ago, Austin said:
Yeah I keep seeing people who say they heard that from someone else, but I have not yet seen a person who was there say "I was there and heard them say that." I am trying to not doubt that it happened, but you know how the telephone game works.
Unless you were there, and then I have just been not paying attention very well haha.
Watch the weekly warhammer video by Vince Venturalla who was there. According to him they did.
What it actually means is another matter. No one knows.
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3 minutes ago, Austin said:
I just don't think the battletome cover means much. The BoK cover has no daemons on it, new Stormcast cover had no Sequitors, Gloomspite didn't show the Trolls or Boingrotz, Fyreslayers only have one model type anyway (too soon?), so I think they just do what looks awesome and the new cover for HoS does look amazing.
I think the best argument FOR mortals is that if they don't do them now it would probably mean that they won't be out for a year or more which would be odd considering all Chaos Gods except the Dark Prince have them.
And of course the two best arguments AGAINST mortals is the limited nature of many releases lately, plus the lack of explicit "this isn't all we have coming out" in the big reveal.
They did say it wasn’t all that was coming out during the conference.
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Just now, ReynakZhen said:
I'm looking at the Disciples of Tzeentch cover right now and the only discernibly mortal characters are Stormcast.
Fingers crossed it’s the same for slaanesh!
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2 minutes ago, HollowHills said:
I think what we will see is a named KoS as all three other greater daemons have a named version. Then potentially a new plastic herald.
If there was going to be a big mortal release they would have shown at least one I think.
I agree, they properly would have. Only reason they could possibly have held all the mortals back if they didn’t give away the mortals ascetics. As I say though I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s just daemon because of the cover art.
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1 minute ago, Charleston said:
Nor is it small. Don´t forgett all 3 Factions you count were teased as huge releases with malign portents, heralds and that they also redefined their factions. Next one up for this treatments are Slaves/Everchosen/Darkoath. Slaanesh getting a pretty big release out of sudden that actually makes their range one of the top notch ones is quite a big deal (one, that Slaanesh really deserves). Yes, the army will be pretty deamon-heavy, but yet we do not know what mortal units may follow, maybe with the mentioned StD/Warcry Wave this year. Btw also if you want Slaanesh Mortals you still can utilize StD-Units. Kairyc Acolytes are a great seminude base for Slaanesh Marauders.
Not exactly out of the blue. Gw started the hype for slaanesh dec 2018. Slaanesh may or may not get some mortals with this release - no one knows.
We know a few things - Gw said we haven’t seen all the models that are part of the Hedonites release. Also the cover of the Hedonites contains only daemons.
I wouldn’t be shocked if there are no mortals because of the cover art, but no one really knows. It intrigues me what else they’re holding back.
@Charleston maybe the longer roll out of csm is simple due to demand, because they can be used for any of the 4 chaos gods. The demand must be pretty huge for that reason.
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1 minute ago, madmac said:
Probably Sylvaneth, given Looncurse.
After that who knows?
I suspect STD/Darkoath is not coming this year, rather Warcry will be their thing for now.
With Slaanesh confirmed, that leaves maybe 1 or2 openings for "new" factions, in addition to the steady churn of updated battletomes.
Agreed about Sylvaneth. Hopefully it’ll be more similar to the time between carrion empires n skaven/fec courts, than the wrath n rapture n slaanesh release (or nurgle/blightwars) haha
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