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21 hours ago, Riff_Raff_Rascal said:

I'm hopeful. What was that verminous thread you saw?

Also, I dont think this clarifies what a "used" ability is versus a "passive". For the example of cunning deceiver, its not a "may" ability and thus is forced upon you to "use" it but at the same time it can be read as a passive that  triggers both times at the beginning of the hero phase. I would put it forward to the game designers to clarify if at any point getting the benefit of the artifact/command trait would cause the other to disappear as opposed to ruling what abilities are "used" versus "passive". 

It was under Verminous Discussion in the Chaos forum.  However, after further discussion, people (Skaven people to boot) seem to think it's pretty clear that the Crown/Deathrunner/etc combos are kaput..

[Skaven in AOS2 - Mixed Skaven]

 

4 hours ago, Riff_Raff_Rascal said:

Sad news everyone, Deathrunner shenanigans are dead as described in the updated erratta for the Silver Tower warscrolls

Skaven Deathrunner, Illusory Twin Change to: ‘When this Skaven Deathrunner is set up, place both of its Skaven Deathrunner models on the battlefield. They do not need to be within 1" of each other. When one of these Skaven Deathrunner models attacks or uses an ability, command trait or artefact of power, then the other model is removed from play. If one of these Skaven Deathrunner models is slain, roll a dice. On a 1-3, the other model is removed from play. On a 4+, the other model is not removed from play.’

 

The Crown of Conquest should still be a viable tactic though, I would think.   It's benefit is passive.  It is not "used" or otherwise specifically activated by the Deathrunner.  A question was brought up in the Verminus thread - if each Deathrunner has a unit within range of its crown - do they both disappear?  Of course not. 

I believe this clarifies things like each Deathrunner doesn't get to roll for something like cunning deceiver, which I don't think was ever intended to be allowed, but passive effects aren't "used" - they just exist.