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Unit. That’s bad because we are not so killy and usually if we kill a unit, there won’t be another near.

Comparing to other allegiances, it’s really, really bad. I’d prefer it going off after attacks, if something died.

That way it would not be broken (1 every 6 times) and could solve the lack of hittting power.

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Ghouls are overpriced for what they bring. Yes, they come back to life, but so do the dogs and they are faster. I don't understand why they cost more than skeletons...
I think that we should be able to summon once per turn, without the once per game limit. This or let us add to  a unit. LoN can resummon slained units, would be great if we could do it as well.

What I'd really love is a more specific focus for FeC: before LoN we were the one that came back, now we do it  more inefficiently than LoN does. Our troops  are not really strong. We rely heavily on heroes and don't really have the same tools to protect them that LoN has. They could just let us summon freely, going over initial unit size, coming from table edges. We should be a horde army, with many ghouls and horrors; last edition i found myself outnumbered by bloodletters... I'm really disappointed that I can't play this way and win games. Ghouls cost so much more than what they provide, horrors are ok, flayers too, but you can't play them both, because of battleline and points. We always need to have at least six of them in a unit, in order to not having it destroyed.

I just hope we get a new battletome, at some point... And a separate Gk on foot as well.

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They should let us add the summoned models to other units. That way I would play summon-heavy.

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33 minutes ago, Honk said:

they changes the wording of the call-men-at-Arms to „return slain models...“ only the patrol really increases the unit size

and even there I would guess only if the unit reaches the limit befor it adds the models, not having something like 15 models, but 23 as unit size 

I was talking about Lords of the Manor, the ability that is given by the royal family...

If, starting with 6horrors, I can go up to 8, having two courtiers, then we have something that can be really good.

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If the courtiers additional ability to “add “ means that we can bring units over additional size, like for ghoul patrol, you are looking at a list with potentially 1000 points worth of summoning and that can have bigger units.

You can try to buy some endless spells and we still need to see if tournaments will use realms magic... I think it’s worth to try it!

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15 minutes ago, Reuben Parker said:

I’m not sure we can infer from Ghoul Patrol that royal family works (and as shown I love royal family). Battalion is worded that you add an additional to an eligible unit. But are units eligible if they are already at max strength. I would like to see a clarification from GW before playing it as such. 

 

Still a lot to love for FEC on changes especially as most armies got toned down FEC got improved again. 

 

Also so someone asked about double battalion it’s plausible I think

GKoZD majesty, lens of refraction 

2 GK, brooch of CP farm

Crypt Ghast

20/20/10 ghouls

6 horrors

ghoul patrol

royal family 

50 extra points (CP or spells)

3 rd relic to taste can see arguments for lots but crypt ghost with pennant could be nice with all the table edge stuff in the list. 

This is interesting, but I fear you are very vulnerable in your first turn, because you start adding horrors from the second turn.

 

I think it works, but an FAQ would have been nice...

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Don’t know, ghouls die so quickly

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So that goes for royal family ad well!

1000 points of evocation with going above starting value is very good!

 

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If it’s wanted, we are all gonna play royal family

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I think that RAI you can't go over starting size...
But play it RAW until they FAQ it

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I still get the CP because the general is always within 10” of the courtier (they are the same model).

30 ghouls are far better than 3x10 and rerolling 1s to hit in the dragon is very useful.

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Played a game yesterday, this was my list:

Allegiance: Flesh Eater Courts
- Delusion: The Grand Tournament
Mortal Realm: Shyish

Leaders
Abhorrant Ghoul King on Zombie Dragon (440)
- Artefact: Blood River Chalice  
Crypt Haunter Courtier (140)
- General
- Trait: Magestic Horror  
- Artefact: The Flayed Pennant  
Varghulf Courtier (160)

Battleline
9 x Crypt Horrors (480)
6 x Crypt Horrors (320)
30 x Crypt Ghouls (300)

Battalions
Attendants at Court (160)

Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 1
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 118

 

Fought against a very nasty Nurgle+Archaon list, won on objectives as he destroyed my army, but could not get back from my early lead. I really like this list, I’m gonna test it more.

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13 hours ago, Fluttershy said:

❤️ deadwatch

hits like a truck, makes no friends, (and AoSv1 lacks at scoring objectives)

 

"new" AoSv2 deadwatch list might look like:

LEADERS

 

Crypt Infernal Courtier (140) – General - Command Trait : Magestic Horror

 

Abhorrant Ghoul King on Zombie Dragon (440)

 

Crypt Infernal Courtier (140)

 

Crypt Infernal Courtier (140)

 

UNITS

 

9 x Crypt Flayers (480)

 

6 x Crypt Flayers (320)

 

3 x Crypt Flayers (160)

 

 

 

BATTALIONS

 

Deadwatch (170)

 

 

 

TOTAL: 1990/2000

 

EXTRA COMMAND POINTS: 1

 

ARTEFACTS: 2

WOUNDS: 104

 

 

+ summoned varghulf

+ summoned 2x10 Ghouls (used with 3er Flayers for objective scoring, eventually with varghulf for respawning ghouls and flayers at objective ?)

 

 

This is better and should be tested, the mortal wounds output can be pretty nice!

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49 minutes ago, Fluttershy said:

from a first look 320 points might seem expensive, but you'll get 2 CP (100), 2 artefacts (!!), the ability to deal additional damage with your Crypt Flayers in your hero phase (!!) and respawning 1-3 additional Crypt Flayer Models (~160 / 53,3 each) in your hero phase, looks like that's worth it, isn't it?

use the ghouls for objective capturing, blocking, distracting, that's all they're good for

I don’t know, 3 flayers unit die very quickly and se don’t know if this “add” will be soon patched (I think it will)

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With two GK and a GK on ZD you have 1000 points if you play royal family

400 for ghouls, 280 for GK, 320 for varghoulfs

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Horrors are better imho, -1 to hit renders flayers useless 

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The new FAQ didn’t change it, so we are gonna wait for that.

I played a game and it’s very difficult to keep everything within 12”

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7 hours ago, Ajay29 said:

Am I being an idiot or missing something obvious here; we have to be WHOLELY within 12 to get deathless minions, but other undead can just have the unit within 6 (or 12 with command)?

Just wondering if running GA Death instead of FEC is worth a thought....

Yep, that’s really bad for us, I don’t understand why we are the only ones Who got this nerf

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I think attendants is good, one King and two big horrors units, start the game with 3 command points, 1 for summoning double Varghoulf, 1 to run 6” (horrors moving 13” on the objectives), one to use for morale.

double King is good, but you have to play without a battallion and I’d rather not...

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34 minutes ago, Hamartia said:

So ghoul patrol did not recieve an errata update. All other reinforcing effects in the errata were changed to explcitly only apply to slain models. Ghoul patrol remains as simply "add models". Hopefully this makes the battalion a little stronger.

RAI you don't go over the original size.
Guys come on, lte's try to think new lists and not break the game.

BTW Reuben your first list seems good, the second one I'm not a fan

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2 hours ago, XReN said:

Hi! Can you tell if majestic horror will double summon ghoul king from the royal family CA as well?

From what I read, yes.

On saturday the GH will be out, so you will be able to check

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I think that RAI you can double summon.

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New FAQ just killed the royal family list...

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8 minutes ago, soots said:

Where did you hear there is no way to boost past minimum size?

How about normal deployed units? cannot add models to unit?

They said in the podcast that you can’t do it, because it would not be fair (and I agree with this).

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New general after death of the first is not for matched play I heard