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21 minutes ago, GammaMage said:
The story is a great start - remember, battletomes are about more than just the mechanics, they're about the army's look and history and lore too. To get people excited about an army it needs good hooks on multiple levels, because people play AoS for very different reasons to each other. But this Battletone is growing on me more and more as I'm thinking about it.
I know, my own Lion Rangers Army is more a painting project. Don't even know, if this army will ever see a gameboard. I think nobody knows. I still have to look how I make the rest (at best in a generic form, or seeing from various different aelfen kinds).
I made up those 5 lion kinds, so there is something like a rainbow-colored mane, but there could be many more.
If GW gives them some sort of background, I can still have my Fyre-aelfs.
One thing I realized. I was thinking about if I can just add the toppart and buttompart of the warscroll into my document, but the topline gets far to small in the page format, and if I rotate the page by 90° it will get too small for my Emperor Lion Units, so 2 pages would be needed. Putting the entire warscroll into a Google doc, will get quite small, too. So my "layout" will be the easiest way, even it's quite ugly.
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28 minutes ago, Twitch of Izalith said:
Slightly worried about my Legends order as Morathi dropped from the available models on Wednesday last week after only 4 days of availability. The Facebook team were replying to people "We can't make any more of that model" without any explanation. They must have had a shedload of orders!
Hopefully they will fulfil orders already placed before that.
Sounds like there casting mold broke down or all models after a certain point were miscasts.
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So, some small updates. Actually I posted the updates into a blog here.
I uploaded some WIP Pictures of War Lions and the Emperor Lion in the Blog Entry here:
And translated the story about the Lion Rangers Godbeast. The Great Lion Korhil:
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11 hours ago, Karol said:
I am a very new player, but aren't 99,99% games matched played? So being good in narrative games or not having points cost, is as good as not existing at all.
It's a bit like saying that a card is still ok post nerf in MtG, because it rocks in Vintage, that no one sane plays.
11 hours ago, Karol said:How do people actually play narrative, without points it would be just the guy with the biggest wallet dominates everyone else, even more then in matched played? Or better yet how do they start it, if someone starts narrative this means other people have to had already been playing it, this means they are late to the arms race and would be facing people who have 3-4 times the size of collections. They would have to be constanlly be buying more and more stuff to keep up with others, while in matched played they just have to have one good 2000pts army and be done with buying stuff.
I think, the problem here is the mindset. Narrative play isn't about cracking your opponents skull with WAAC. It's more about crafting a story out of it. So if you get a enjoyable Story that you can show others the game exists. And for those games its better if the game has 4+ Turns instead of one Player winning after 2.
Do you really need balance if you're playing a last stand Scenario where one player has to wipe out the other one, but the other one wins if after the last round still 1 model lives? Or losing most of the army but winning the game because you got your models into the right place. But for such games, you need players that don't have the WAAC Mindset.
3 hours ago, Kyriakin said:This all sounds very nice, but Is there any precedent for much of this?
For example, some battalions lost their points in GHB17 (e.g. the Spire of Dawn one).
Since then, have people been "just using the old points", or did those battallions typically just die on the vine?
I have always gotten the impression that, once something loses its points, it tends to just cease to be within the mainstream of casual pickup games.
In real matched play, those Battalions are lost, as well as those were the Name of a Warscroll was changed or those never having a pitched battle profile (like the Realmgate Wars Battalions).
Thats the disadvantage of following 100% Matched Play.
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6 hours ago, kenshin620 said:
Another idea is that since the Stormcast also have a lot of lion iconography, maybe there are lion rangers that work very closely with the SCE? And perhaps after a long partnership, some of these lion rangers are rewarded with equipment. Maybe even call them the warhammer equivalent of "Thunder Cats"!
Actually never see Thunder Cats (I was about 2 when the series ended).
Hm, you mean, getting some axes of the Vanguard Rangers?
Actually I got my Lion Rangers Box today (because of tomorows holliday). so I could build my Lion Riders and my Lion Lord on Emperor Lion today. The Combination War Lion, Wildrider Legs and White Lion Bodies work really good here
Im not so good with greenstuff in case of the Emperor Lion, but I hope it will look less wierd when it has paint on it.
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43 minutes ago, Chris Tomlin said:
@EMMachine - I like your attitude with regards to the Aelves within the Mortal Realms as opposed to harking on about The World The Was (as much as I absolutely loved the WFB Elven lore)
It was a nicely done lore over all the years, just had the flaws that every Armybook was a nation and most spaces of the world was fleshed out, so it left very little room for creativity without causing problems with the official lore. Thats what I like about the AoS lore. I can enjoy the lore written by gw or other players and at the same time I can create my territories making my own faction without causing lore problems.
43 minutes ago, Chris Tomlin said:I'll take a look at your Battletome another time and let you know what I think.
Take your time. It's more an Alpha without pictures. Only Warscrolls and Tables for Skirmish, Path to Glory, and Pitched Battle. At the moment the Warscrolls don't even have the AoS Design.
Feel free to write suggestions into the my other thread, but it don't has to be a high priority.
Edit: to say something about the Phoenix Temple it self. I would really see potential for such a faction, too.
- Smaller Birds (like Aetherwing) with the fire or ice theme.
- Archers with flaming or icy Bows and Arrows (like Sisters of the Watch)
- Wizards casting fire or ice magic.
- there could be literally bird cavalry (like Demigryth or Vanguard-Palladors)
- Or some entirely different form of Phoenix (after we have 2 variants)
One thing thats not entirely fleshed out is the part that they have taken a vow of silence. It should be a little complicated if no one can give orders because no one speaks.
In the end the Phoenix Temple is some form of religion (or cult, after everyone literally dies and is reborn with phoenix essence).
The main problem is, that without a Battletome we are forced to use a the units that are connected to the faction by keyword and restricted by allies.
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5 minutes ago, Chris Tomlin said:
Looks like you have a lot of Aelves on your hands. Will you wait to see how the Warhammer Legends stuff shakes out? Perhaps you could do a project based on one of those lists instead?
Yeah, combined with my Frost Aelf project I have 8 of 10 Factions that were part of either Highborn or Darkkin/Exiled Aelfs. Actually I don't want to go back to the "old" army design. I like the idea that we have some sort of subcultures now that don't have to be fix High Elves or Dark Elves
It's more a thing of creating thematic armies, building own cities. Simply having a little creative fun. So even if I would make a Frost Aelf Phoenix Temple they would be Frost Aelfs for me, not Highborn or Darkkin/Exiled. Using Legends would mean, writing stuff for the "world that was" instead for realms with nearly endless possibilities (and we have nearly the same problems with the Legends list like with the start of Age of Sigmar, having no points or fixpoint like Path to Glory, where we can say that unit "A" has equal value to unit "B").
Because of that, I started making a fanmade Battletome for Lion Rangers, to give them a little more (even perhaps somewhere in the future GW does or battletome or not)
If we get lucky, making such projects will help to get a real battletome with the choices we used in our projects, if not we have a Themed Army with style.
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So, lets go into round 2 with the Battletome 1.1.
Simply wrote some things together
- We have a Lion Lord now that got a Battleaxe and a similar Effect like the Dragon Lord (basicly the Korhil Model or other models with a second Axe.
- The Lion Noble has now a Throwing Axes got up 10 Points
- Both Heros have a Variant with a Emperion Lion
- Lion Trainer is now called Lion Tamer is now a Blood Stoker for War Lions
- The Lion old Lion Hunters are now called Lion Archers, lost 1 Point Bravery, 4" Range of there Bows but got 20 Points cheaper
- new Lion Hunters do have Throwing Axes and a Hunterblade (could be sword or Axe like) and priced like Vulkite Berzerkers
- White Lions are called Lion Guard now
- Lion Chariot got 1" slower
- War Lions got 1" faster
- new Unit Lion Riders
- Emperor Lion added (mostly a Manticore without wings and a little slower.
Don't know if I got the points right but it should be a little more variation her.
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4 hours ago, Thundercake said:
I think backup warscrolls is a good idea. If you go with a short range throwing axe unit, they could count as freeguild bows/handgunners/etc., glade guard, or arkanuat company, just something that is ranged and universal order battleline. For the lion cavalry, i'd go with demgryphs, makes the most sense to me.
If you are looking for axes, both fyreslayers and marauder horsemen have throwing axe weapon profiles and i believe model options for them as well.
I actually think, I will make Warscrolls for both Variants (Bows and Throwing Axes) but not building such a unit yet.
The funny thing with the demigryphs is, that those guys actually have 4 wounds. (A little much when we think that the Lion Chariot has 6 Wounds and my Lions do have 2 at the moment (because Frost Sabres have 2). Another point is. Should the Cavalry and the Lions be faster than the Chariot? I mean 2 Riders won't be very different from 1 Chariot if all stats are the same and the move of 9" of the chariot could be the weight of it. There should be a point taking the Lions or the Riders instead of the Chariot. Or the Chariot should be 1" slower?
3 hours ago, kenshin620 said:There could also be an expansion to the different magic realms. Surely not all lion rangers hail from a place where magic doesn't affect them/affect the local lions. Kind of inspired by warcraft cards. Even if elemental lions aren't really a thing, perhaps there are lion rangers that are more connected to Ghur.
Yeah, thats true. It don't have to be "White Lions". The burning one looks really cool, but I don't want to sit on one. At the end its like with Ponyta and Rapidash of Pokemon where you only get burned if they don't like you
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Even Scars Colortheme (Lionking) could look cool.
Actually I bought some stuff today:
Friday I should get another box with 10 White Lions. Hopefully the stuff I want to do works. I think I will try to build 3 Lion Riders (have to make 3 War Lions on Taller Bases in this case, perhaps a Tamer and something I would call a Lion Lord/Lion Noble on Emperor Lion. Bases on the Manticor, perhaps without the wings and a change for its Tail (I'm not really good with green stuff but perhaps I can make a little Fur on its Tail (and close the holes where the wings would be. I still have some White Lions on Squarebase, so when I use some of them too, I can still get 10 more White Lions (perhaps they should be called Lion Guard or something). So be prepared
3 hours ago, kenshin620 said:Another thing could be lions that lost their master so they charge forth with reckless abandon with little care to their self preservation, like slayers.
You mean some sort of rule for the War Lions?
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1 hour ago, Kaleb Daark said:
Tombkings - the general consensus up at the mothership seems to be that they will bring nothing back by bringing them back. So as of now, they're very dead. However never say never. Personally I liked them- I always liked how they were a skeleton army without wraiths and zombies etc. The constructs were also very cool.
In case of Tomb Kings. GW could give Deathrattle some Archers, Mounted Archers, Chariots and some sort of Priest and you would have a more complete army where you can use some of the models. Some of the units were reduntant between both armies. Don't know about the other units.
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First thanks to all feedback until now.
Before going through all of this first to remind. There should be a existing "backup" Warscroll to use, if not using this battletome. I'm not really playing right know but I can't force people to play against unofficial rules so in best case the army should be playable (as a mixed Order Army) even under Matched Play Conditions, (better without compendium warscrolls, because after seeing the Dark Aelfs Legacy List, those units won't be available they are reworked.
14 hours ago, kenshin620 said:While cool, I think Lion Rangers are a little one dimensional atm. I can easily see them getting refolded back into a unified aelve faction.
It's the problem of many subfactions, coming from WHFB, at the moment. The Lionrangers would really be really good Ghur Aelves with their wild look.
14 hours ago, kenshin620 said:Maybe since White Lions are far more about brute strength, maybe their ranged unit should use throwing axes rather than bows? Perhaps white lioness riders that trade power for speed?
8 hours ago, awcamawn said:Could be onto something here, I think. Short range, but with rend and 3+ or even 2+ to wound?
As I quite like the idea of throwing axes. The point is, there are not many warscrolls using them (I could see what I have in my Duardin Bits from my WHFB Dwarf Army). Do you really think that an aelf can get this much force into a throwing axe, if even dwarfs only wound on 4+? Perhaps a boost when fighting monsters knowing where weakspots are. And what should be a backup warscroll? Black Arc Corsairs? Freeguild Guard?
14 hours ago, kenshin620 said:As for warscrolls that look like official ones, theres this website.
Thanks, this is good to know. Perhaps in a later state I can redo the warscrolls, but I think as long I don't have a fix status I should stay with the doc because its a little quicker to make the updates at the moment.
9 hours ago, Melcavuk said:Allegiance abilities, what are they?
Relics, prayers etc?Don't know, yet. But still can use Order Allegiance abilities so the priority isn't that high right now.
9 hours ago, Melcavuk said:Missing key word HERO on both hero choices
Yeah, shame on me for that one. Don't know if I should fix that as a quickchange without changing the version or as part of the new version.
9 hours ago, Melcavuk said:Could do with 1 utility hero choice (either a banner, a priest, or something similar)
A priest or a totem could be interesting. I mean, in the GA:Order they are descriped as some sort of Monastery Order (sounds a little like my Order of the Yellow Rose). But I don't actually know, what they should get as Abilities,yet.
9 hours ago, Melcavuk said:The lion trainer has the ability for lion rangers to reroll saves, make sure it specifies Lion Trainer as whilst he is a lion ranger aswell it isnt written as a keyword dependant abiblity.
The blanket increase charge range on the Tamer for units in range rather than a specific unit could make it somewhat overpowered by daisy chaining units, either make it a command ability or only for units wholley in rangeHm, the White Lion Trainer was suppost to train the Warlions. Don't know how he should make Lion Rangers re-roll saves. Perhaps I should call him a Tamer instead.
Like I said, its the rule that the Iceblow Hunter gives to the Frost Sabres (in that case on the frost Sabres Warscroll). And I already weakened the rule by 4" and make the bravery effect a wholly within effect.
Still can make him more like the Blood Stoker, that he whips a unit of WAR LIONS giving them a effekt (if I take his Effect instead it would be 3" to Run / Charge Moves and re-roll wound Rolls of 1 for the Lion Attacks.
Or how about the Beastmasters effect for Hydra/Kharibdyss. Rolling 3 dice discarding the lowest but causing a Mortal Wound on a triple. (but could be a little week for a HERO Choice)
What would sound better?
9 hours ago, Melcavuk said:In terms of naming I know you had little to work with in terms of what was already there but everything having the word lion in it might be a bit excessive, try and vary it up a touch as the unit names tend to all blur together when trying to remember which white lion is which.
Hm, should be the least problem to change that after I shouldn't mix the Pitched Battle Profiles or something like that. Only took those names because of the existing Scrolls.
9 hours ago, Melcavuk said:Could do with a support unit, be it a monster, artillery piece or long ranged unit potentially. Something with a bit of kik
Hm, one unit I could think of in case of a Monster would be a Manticore (I know, it was a Dark Elves creature in the old world and actually only used by Slaves of Darkness), but its the closest thing to a Lion that we get.
8 hours ago, awcamawn said:Very cool! I like this idea! Just wanted to chime in quickly and mention that if you can't get a Korhil model, the Eternal Guard/Wildwood Rangers kit comes with a one handed axe intended for the Wildwood Ranger champion. If you're looking for an aelven one-handed axe it's a good option imho:
Strangely I missed out this one (or it was the different look). Actually I should have some of these because my Archers in the "Faithful of Eloni" Project used the Eternal Guard bodys.
8 hours ago, awcamawn said:Now we're talking! Lion cavalry! I've seen some really cool conversions where people have put the Sisters of the Thorn onto wolves to great effect, and I think the same could done with lions.
Hm, there was a point where I thought about something like that. The point is, the only GW Lions avalable are in the Chariot Box (with 2 of them), so you need to buy many chariots, building many swifthawk Agents Chariots to use the Lions.
The question is, what sort of Cavalry it could be. Making them 5 Models like Dragon Blades or Drakespawn Knight would make them really expensive. Perhaps 2 or 3 Models similar to Demigryph Knights? Actually I would need to give my Lions some bigger bases if I want to use them as Cavalry. (Actually I used 60x35 mm Bases for the 6 Lions I based, but I think in case of Cavalry I would need at least 75x42mm Bases). Hm, Sisters of Thorn legs do really have a similar design. First thought were legs of Dragon Blades, but these are quite different in design.
Or making it a little strange (even I have seen this in a Total War Warhammer Youtube Video), Lion Rangers riding on Horses.
8 hours ago, awcamawn said:Aaaaaand.... I'm off to shamelessly plug Wanderer models in some other thread! Excelsior!
No problem. My Alarielle praying humans use many Wanderers bits (see in the link above). I really should finish more of those models, too.
And to be fair, Lion Rangers have more in common with the wanderers than the Sisters of the Watch/Sisters of Avalorn with there magical firebows (would actually see these girls as Eldritch Council or Phoenix Temple not really as Wanderers).
But after all of this, 1 problem stays. What will I use as Battleline when I only use official Warscrolls? That was the point of taking the Archers in the first place?
If I look through the existing Warscrolls we have the following Order Battlelines:
Aelfs: Bleakswords, Darkshards, Dreadspears, Sisters of Slaughter, Whichaelfs, Reavers, (Dryads), Glade Guard, Namarti Thralls.
Duardin: Warriors, Longbeards, Vulkite Berzerkers,
Human: Freeguild Archers, Freeguild Crossbowmen, Freeguild Guard, Freeguild Handgunners, (Liberators)
Seraphon: Skinks, Saurus Warriors
Using the Skinks Warscroll would be a little wierd, Duardin doesn't really match. and the only Warscroll that could have some sort of Missile Weapon without beeing a bow would be Freeguild Guard with Militia Weapons (their range is a little high).
And playing Lion Rangers as Namarti Thralls would be a quite bad solution .
Any Suggestions?
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So, just corrected an error (but leaving the Version number). At first I wrote the document partly in german, but thought, why not using the english rules because this way I can post it here. But sadly I left a translation error.
To add some information. At first my White Lion Noble was quite a Warscroll clone of Korhil (leaving the "bodyguard" out) , but after I made my Model out of the Dragon Nobles kit, I desided to change it.
There are two things.
- You would need Korhils model after its quite impossible getting a nice one handed axe for a generic Aelf Model and second
- His Command Ability gave +1 to Wound against Monsters (do we really need this for a Army where the close combat infantry wounds on 3+?)
I think I could make an extra warscroll (with slightly higher points) where the model can have 2 Weapons (for a version 1.1).
Another thing I thought after posting the PDF.
Perhaps I have made the Hunters a little expensive. 2 Units that could have a similar role are Black Arc Corsairs and Spireguard.
Black Arc Corsairs are better in Close Combat, have halve the range but more shots in the Shooting Phase, a similar save (costing about halve of my hunters)
Spireguard is better in close Combat, has a similar weaponrange (4" less) and also a similar save (costing 20 Points less)
Perhaps I could make the White Lion Hunters about 20 Points cheaper.
Perhaps you have some other suggestions.
My only real goal with this is to encourage a little creativity and give some of the smaller factions a little more flair.
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13 minutes ago, syph0n said:
I have the basis of an Order Serpentis army, about 1250 points, but obviously Drakespawn Knights aren't GA Order battleline. I don't have enough Order Serpentis units for 2k, but if I converted 10 models to Darkshards, I would have enough to make a GA Order army that used both all of my Order Serpentis units, but also my older models like the Sorceress on Drakespawn and the Bolt Throwers to make a 2k force. I just have loads of old Dark Elves sat primed and unloved that I had a brain wave about using.
So the problem aren't the Darkshards, more the Sorceress on Drakespawn and the Bolt Throwers that are only in the Legacy List and in this case not usable anymore for Grand Alliance (not having the Order Keyword) and Matched Play (not having a Pitched Battle Profile).
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1 hour ago, syph0n said:
Damn. Just started converting some Darkshards to have enough battleline for an Order army. Gutted. I had a lovely 2k list that used everything I had from my past life.
Back to straight Order Serpentis then...
Darkshards are an Order Battleline and part of Darkling Covens. After Darkling Covens is part of AoS not legends the official warscrolls are playable. Or what do you mean?
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Hi,
A part of one of my projects is a Lion Rangers Army. The models I actually own are 3x10 White Lions, 1 Dragon Noble in White Lion Design, 3 White Lion Chariots and 6 War Lions.
I posted a Twitterpost ( @EMMachine27 ) yesterday (with the unpainted models) because I didn't finish any models during during last weeks and wanted to post something.
Now I have the problem. Lion Rangers don't have battlelines or Leader, so they are only playable as Allies, in Order Armies or Path to Glory (Dragon Noble, White Lions, White Lion Chariot).
To get the army somewhere playable in Matched Play I need some Battlelines. Perhaps Freeguild Archers or Glade Guard in case of Rules because why would you take close Combat units when you already have White Lions. Perhaps I will look if I can make a conversion of White Lions and the Army of Shadow Warriors.
The bigger problem are the War Lions. The Warscroll that would be the closest are the Frost Sabres, in case of Order Warscrolls Gryph Hound.
Now I thought, perhaps I could write something like an unofficial Lion Rangers Battletome.
I have a PDF Document (made with Google Doc) with Warscrolls, Skirmish Table, Path to Glory Table and Pitched Battle Profiles.
I don't know, how you guys make the official looking design. In my case it's quite plain and instead of the way GW handelt the Description and Command Unit Upgrades I uses a Design more similar to the 40k Design.
To give a little Overflow.
- White Lions simply got a "Battleline if"
- White Lion Chariots got a "Battleline if" similar to the Scourgerunner Chariot of Scourge Privateers, get a WAR LION Keyword, and the option for a Champion (when having more than 1 model, because 1 model champion spam isn't good design )
- White Lion Noble is a Dragon Noble with a little weaker Enchanted Shield (Lion Cloak)
- White Lion Trainer should be a little in function of the Beastclaw Raiders Hunter (with less Range), but could alternativly also be like the Bloodstoker.
- War Lions are a little mix of Frost Sabres, the War Lion Rules of the Chariot (and perhaps a little "Storm of Magic" (WHFB)
- White Lion Hunters should be the equivalent of the Freeguild Archers or Glade Guard in this case but more a mix Highborn Archers (AoS Compendium and White Lions)
What do you guys think so far. Would such a army be possible, what units are too expensive or too cheap. Actually don't know what could be made for Allegiance Abilites, Battalions or Champion Reward Tables. What units would be interesting, too?
Perhaps with a little advertising on Twitter or Facebook for Modelprojects, Lion Rangers could get a little love from GW, too.
Edit:
Is this the right place for content like this or is there a better place?
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Nicely done. A really nice coherent look. It's still interesting how this army keeps there cold look even with the gold.
Did you use fire for the energy ball because of the fire on the banners?
On 2.5.2018 at 1:13 PM, Chris Tomlin said:I look forward to seeing the progression of your army as well, it's very cool!
Sadly I didn't painted much during the last weeks. I have some WIP Blood Stalkers, Darkshards and a Bloodwrack Medusa, but nothing finished, yet.
I have some Aelf Faction build up and primed during last weeks mostly 1000 Point lists or something above.
- 1000 Points Swifthawk Agents (Cavalry style, with Reavers, Charots and a High Warden)
- 1000 Points Swifthawk Agents (Spireguard Style)
- 1000 Points Eldritch Council (could be 1500-2000 Points if Sisters of the Watch weren't too expensive by about 20 Points per unit to ally them)
- 1000 Points Scourge Privateers
- 1000 Points Shadow Guild (not playable in Matched Play, Assassine, Shadow Warriors, Dark Riders)
- 1000 Points Lion Rangers (not playable in Matched Play, Dragon Noble as Hero, White Lions, White Lion Chariots and Warlions (not having a warscroll) )
Perhaps I should pack everything into 1 project (don't actually know if I should merge it with my Frost Aelfs because they are aelfs or if they will be separate because the would be big enough with their nearly 6000 Points (as much as the 6 projects above together)
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23 hours ago, Chris Tomlin said:
Is there something in the lore that suggests Anointeds don't often ride Phoenixes then? I wasn't aware of this. To me it makes more sense that the army would be accompanied by its greatest heroes mounted upon them.
The main problem is, that there isn't much lore. Mostly the Grand Alliance Book plus perhaps the the firestorm campaign. I only have the feeling (when looking at your highter listbuilds (1200 and 2000 Points) that 3-4 Anointed could be a little much for the Army size. It looks like the army is lead by 3-4 Generals.
I know, its not the best example but when we look at the Spyreheart Warhost in the Grand Alliance Book, we have 1 Anointed, 2 units of Phoenix Guard and 2-4 Phoenix Models (and since one of the Erratas the 2-4 Phoenix' can't get the Anointed Upgrade), so unmounted Phoenix' should be more common than mounted ones.
The example lacks in the point that we can't get a Anointed riding a Phoenix in this Battalion anymore (after it's still the Warscrollname, not the Keyword ANOINTED used in the Warscoll).
(More after the next quote)
23 hours ago, Chris Tomlin said:Also, I'd be lying if I said that rules don't play a massive factor. As cool as they look with the riders, getting a free 4+ ward save and additional attacks is certainly an incentive. A great example of a warscroll needing two different version (or two different costs if nothing else).
Yeah, that's a real problem in that case (and it's a quite rare one). Either the Mounted Phoenix is too cheep or the unmounted one is too expensive. It's quite different than giving a character a horse, where in most cases the model simply has a higher move and maybe 2 Attacks hitting on 4+ and wounding on 5+ (or the other way around).
One thing is, we actually don't know if or how they will change it, but for the case that you're not only going for the most efficient listbuild it could be much saver taking some unmounted Phoenixmodels than perpaps crippling the nicely themed army after a update.
23 hours ago, Chris Tomlin said:Hey, thanks for sharing your blog. Those Frostaelves look fantastic! Especially like the Dragon. I've considering adding a Dragonmage / Archmage on Dragon to this army eventually and your colour scheme would work perfectly. Very nice.
At the moment the army is containing Darkling Covens, Daughers of Khaine and Order Serpentis (most Order Serpentis Models aren't glued yet). If I plan correcty my army will include 3 Black ... ehm Frost dragons. 2 Sorceress (one as the Queen of the group) and a Dreadlord as the King and General.
I don't know yet if I want to make some Frostaelves with Phoenix Temple and/or Eldritch Counsil.
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Hey, nicely painted. Such an army could also be good addition for my "Frostaelves".
The only thing I don't like is that there are too many "Anointed Of Asuryan On Frostheart Phoenix" in my opinion where some simply could be unmounted "Frostheart Phoenix". I know that both cost the same at the moment but for me there are too many Leaders (Lorewise not Rulewise).
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3 hours ago, flemingmma said:
So my 6+ save on blood reavers is always successful? Even when rend makes it immediately non existent?
Which Language do you use for your rules? In the english Generals Handbook 2017 the "rolls of 6 are always a success rule" is only for hit- and wound-rolls.
In the german book for example there was an error that a save-roll of 6 is always a success but this was changed in the errata.
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Thanks for the review.
You mentioned the design of the aqshy side of the board. They actually used the designs of the Citadel Realm of Battle Gameboard that they had since 2007 or so.
To say something to the 1" rule of the ruines.
I never liked it when GW started to do this 'all models wholy in 1" ' in the FAQ and later in rules like the Deathworld Forest rules.
The point is, that when your model has a 32mm Base it never can fit wholy in 1" after the base is 1,5" (25mm is about 1") So things, like marauders, Stormcasts (most of my models because I used 32mm quite often because 25mm liked often to small for me) will never get cover because of this rule.
If they only had sad, 1" within the terrain like it was in the basic rules at first and the rule would be good enough and usable in the game.
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Really like your Wolves of Ghur. Those guys have a style that they would really live in Ghur and some of them could perhaps fight for order too.
2 hours ago, CyderPirate said:Loving the conversions, where did the heads for the reavers come from?
When I look through the pictures I would say that the heads are from Chaos Marauders, Marauder Horsemen and Space Wolves.
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5 hours ago, kasprzyk said:
Hi,
Do you have a valid link to download these rules?
There was a PDF in the downloadsection of this forum. But it looks like bottle has deleted the file this october. There is a changed text in the first post.
On 17.12.2016 at 11:43 AM, bottle said:Hi everyone, I am retiring Hinterlands for the time being now that we have not only the fantastic AoS Skirmish but also lots of exciting fan made content being made for it too. I would like to thank everyone who supported this project, helped it grow and gave feedback along the way. The AoS community is really one of the best things about this game and why I love this hobby so much
. Who knows if Hinterlands will ever come back, but for the moment I am going to keep it on the down-low. Doesn't mean you won't still be seeing me around here though .
Cheers, bottle.
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Actually I'm interested what the box will bring us. First I thought it will only be a GW-Campaign like Season of War. I think we could be glad for every form of Material we can get.
12 hours ago, Mr. White said:None of my mats or terrain are set in the Realm of Fire.
I'm familiar with the problem. My terrain is painted in some sort of wastelandstyle , what could perhaps fit for Ghur, Shyish or perhaps Aqshy or Chamon, but my story actually plays mostly in Ghyran
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Nice Paintjob. That gloweffekt is dang hot
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The only thing I'm wondering. Why du three of your Vanguard Hunters have 32mm Bases instead of the normal 40mm Bases?
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. Who knows if Hinterlands will ever come back, but for the moment I am going to keep it on the down-low. Doesn't mean you won't still be seeing me around here though 
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Fanmade Lion Rangers Battletome
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So, I made a version 1.2 (still without background because the one part I posted isn't really enough for it).
For once, I made some Shadow Warrior like unit again. They are Lion Hunters, too. They have the defensive abilities of the Lion Rangers and the deployment rule of the Shadow Warriors but not the re-roll. The Champion makes a additional Attack like the Shadow Warriors.
The other Lion Hunters unit got the Change change with the champion and the deployment Rule, too.
In Addition a made minor point changed to the Units that contain a Emperor Lion.
I made Lion Noble and Lion Lord on Emperor Lion 20 Points cheaper (after a Chaos Lord only costs 250 Points), and the Emperor Lion doesn't have a flying rule.
And the Emperor Lion itself got 50 Points cheaper. 150 Points for him should be enough. 200 Points could be a little to expensive for him, after he is a non Flying Manticore with slower Movement.