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This guy will be buying a SC set and a battletome this December (my Xmas gift to myself). Also how cool would it be for GW to release SC bundles with army releases instead of a year or two down the road?
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Wow, what a release. These are perfect upgrades to Chaos Warriors and Knights. Kept the aesthetic, upgraded the models, absolutely love them.
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4 hours ago, MitGas said:
Or just give us proper Varanguard/chosen on foot, ideally with enough bits to make them look god-specific. Tzeentch and Slaanesh could use some armored troops to be complete, Nurgle and Khorne kinda got theirs already. Either way, updating Chaos Warriors would be a wise move - lots of aligned armies would be potential buyers and they are kinda iconic.
And if I'm wishlisting: I want a plastic Curseling. The finecast one is lovely but Finecast is not. Or give us a proper Tzeentch Chaos Lord. You know, one that is like they used to be - very powerful in close combat (not as strong as Khorne champs) and a full-fledged sorcerer on top.Right now I really miss that Chaos champions and warriors are really good at what they are supposed to be good at. Why sell your soul if your're just average?
I would love Varangard on foot. I love the idea of Chaos Warriors, but I think having all the heavily armored murder machines be very elite (significantly stronger than a Stormcast) and very few in number would be more fitting. Even though their were armies of them, back in WHF and into AoS I imagine Chaos armies as horses of mortals, mutants, and monsters with a small number of heavily armored elite that have been blessed by the Chaos gods.
From a financial standpoint it seems odd to not update the traditional Chaos Warrior, which is probably the most iconic unit in the entire history of WHF.
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Those monsters are both awesome. I'm hoping I can use them both in Warcry and in a Slaves army. I love the idea of an hodge-podge army of murderous barbarians, magical armor-encrusted killing machines, mutants, and monsters rampaging through the lands.
I'm particularly interested in the first monster.....I'm hoping it's some kind of mystical creature, possibly with magical attributes, and not just a mount without a rider.-
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21 hours ago, Overread said:
There have been rumors of Slaves getting new models, however nothing concrete and the recent release leak up to December doesn't show any new models. The only potential new thing is the start collecting set, which could just be a reboxing or an adjustment of existing plastic models.
Chaos Knights are not that bad a kit and reasonably modern. The Warriors and Marauders on foot are where the range has aged models, with Marauders just looking odd compared to much newer sculpts; whilst warriors are decently sculpted but exceptionally monopose (they are basically all standing square with their arms at their hips holding a weapon and shield).
Personally I'd expect to see all the finecast lords leave the range as there are plastic alternatives for the leader slot. Then I'd expect to see on-foot marauders go as well. Even if GW didn't remove them its clear that the Warcry Warbands are going to fill the exact same slot in the army and they look a million times better. So even if the old kit doesn't vanish I could see many people just using warcry models as stand-ins.
There's also the new Warcry monster coming as well as the Spire Tyrants (who really look very marauder).
I'm thinking if StD are getting any new units (which it's strange the Knights are rumored, because I agree, they are reasonably modern and much better than the Warriors on foot? Maybe they are foot Knights?) It's going to be the first week in January. GW has in the past (and maybe with the OBR? I haven't paid too much attention) released the book, spells, etc, and additional stuff the next week. This way people can spend all their GW gift cards and holiday money on some shiny new models.
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13 minutes ago, JPjr said:
Bummer I was hoping for Farmers of the Realms of Chaos!
Pledge your soul to the eight-pointed plow!
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3 minutes ago, FFJump said:
Yeah, they did. I never kept track of the Made to Orders, so I don't know if this would be the first time for a second run or not. If it is, that would be very curious. Either a count against it, or if it comes to pass, a precedent for maybe more second runs. We won't have to wait long to see if this list is real though. It can be disproved very quickly if the Bonereapers get their stuff earlier than the date the leak says or at different prices.
Very true. I think if we don't see a STD preview at Blood and Glory that will also make it very unlikely.
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19 minutes ago, FFJump said:
I'm not certain one way or the other if the leak is true, however, it does align with Kikassto's information. He's been 100% accurate so far and this mirrors it perfectly. Of course, that could be intentional and this a fake using his accurate info to appear legitimate. However, there are a couple points here that can be counter-argued.
1. The Chaos Dwarf Team refers to a Made to Order. Look at the price, and then look at the other Blood Bowl team prices. That's the price for a Made to Order team, which they've done in the past. Same for the Bull Centaur. So that one is totally plausible.
2. The Warcry prices in my opinion is the most curious one. Really have no clue about that one.
3. The Necromunda starter set is the exact same price as the Adeptus Titanicus Grand Master set, so that price point already has a precedent. That Titan set included 2 Warlord Titans, 6 Knights, terrain and rules. It could be that much because of the Zone Mortalis terrain or maybe a big rulebook is included, so also entirely plausible. If we take a look at the current Necromunda starter set, its $125 for two gangs, tiles, some doors and barricades, and a cardboard arena. The new one appears to be all that, PLUS the Mortalis terrain. That would definitely up the price, by that much, who knows, but a higher price point is feasible.
In my opinion, it could be fake, but it definitely has some real info in it. If its fake, he added in real info to make it appear legitimate. There is nothing yet that has outright disproved it so it could go either way.Nice catch on the Chaos Dwarfs. A made to order could definitely be possible.
I do agree on the Warcry prices being pretty confounding.
I don't think we can compare the new Necromunda Starter to the Grandmaster edition. The new Necromunda starter has two gangs which are full retail 40 USD each (probably 60 for the Cult as they have 15 models) so that's 100 USD in retail pricing vs 220 for the two Warlords alone. At that rate GW would be charging more than the listed retail for the ZM terrain when it is bundled in the starter (that can't be more than two sets in my opinion), plus 60 for a 50 dollar rulebook. It just doesn't add up. Not to mention starters usually offer a good discount, and at that price only diehard Necromunda fans will pick it up.
There definitely is some real info mixed in there (army boxes, BL probably), so some of it will probably happen. I can't 100% say the list is fake, but it definitely is leaning that way.
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I'm going to go out on a limb and say that these lists are fake. The first hint on the green one was that they named the Ogre Blood Bowl Team. The second one looks more plausible, as the Inquisitor availability aligns with Inquisitor rules coming in the November WD, but totally kills it's credibility with threethings.
1). The Chaos Dwarf Team - The FW team has to beg and bargain for production space for plastics. They have never been able to produce more than 4 teams a year, and have a lot of trouble even squeezing those in. To make matters more apparent, the team coming out the same week as another?
2). The new Warcry box prices: I am guessing the price increase is for a full Sprue, AKA double number the number of models. GW would give a slight discount over the normal price of two Warcry boxes (think 85$) not a marked discount.
3). The price of that Necromunda Starter: 290 USD! That is out of this world for the contents. The box has less minis than the Warcry Starter and about the same amount of terrain. I can't see even GW putting a product like that out, it would just sit on shelves forever.I honestly think we will get the Spire Tyrants this year and not the next (probably the monster too), but I really don't think we'll see STD until early next year.
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9 minutes ago, Still-young said:
No, the other build of the Infiltrators and the Tank didn’t have rules in Shadowspear.
Thanks for clearing that up, I'm not really up to date on 40k related things. Good to see GW being reasonable with their book releases again.
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7 minutes ago, JPjr said:
remember all the Warcry warbands so far have the 'Cultist' keyword which will clearly have some effect, some way for chaos priests or the like to fire them up even more or have some extra abilities.
their war scrolls have been simplified to make them work better in large numbers, which is great, nothing would be worse than having your main battleline infantry units with 20-40 troops having half a dozen different types of attacks to spend hours figuring out. plus it means you're not penalised for how you've built them for your more personalised warcry warbands.
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seeing as they've revealed the models there's every chance we'll get these in late November anyway, couple of weeks for the Bonereapers and then a new Warcry week after that. totally doable.
Still-young did point out that SM got a lot of stuff in the new book that is just releasing now. Though I don't know if that's the Phobos Marines, and if so I wouldn't say they count as they had rules in Shadowspear (sorry don't really follow 40k so I could be wrong).
That said, if this list is right, I don't see the Spire Tyrants shown on it at all, and the Scions haven't been previewed, though I suppose they might be at Blood and Glory.
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1 hour ago, Overread said:
Considering how long GW has left things like the arch regent not be on sale from them directly it might be that GW is slowly weakening its fear of 3rd party producers. Of course I dont' think they'll go back to the days of putting models into tomes/codex that never get models or which are 5 years off etc... However it might mean that they are open to staggered releases. Don't forget Bonereapers are going to have quite a lot of models not released by the time the Battletome is out and at GW's current pace it could easily be a while month if not more before the majority are released.
Also note that the warriors aren't too small for regiments; they are very high in points value so you are unlikely to (at present) build regiments of them.
My apologies on being unclear, I was intending on saying that the Warrior models are too small (they are dwarfed by Stormcast and do not match their fluff descriptions) and that the models are very static (because they were originally designed to be assembled in regiments for Warhammer). I wasn't intending any comment on their rules or how they play.www
I do hope that GW is getting over their fear of third party manufacturers. It gives them a lot more freedom to update books if they don't immediately need model X produced.
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Another reason that I'm skeptical about the StD release in December is that means they would have to publish rules for The Spire Tyrants and The Scions of the Flame before the kits are out.....and unless they are coming out a few weeks after the book GW hates to do that.
I think there is still a good chance we will get an updated box of Chaos Warriors or Varanguard on Foot. Maybe a dual kit of both. We had that armored gauntlet teaser from WarCom that looked very much like a Varanguard gauntlet holding a weapon haft. I assumed it would be Spire Tyrants, but it was not. Really that's all the faction really needs for new models. The old Warriors are very dated, and while not the worst plastics GW offers, they are very clearly very too small and made to be built in regiments.
The Warcry bands can replace Marauders, the leader models are mostly plastic, etc. The new monsters add some neat new stuff.
I suppose if we are getting a Slaves release this year we will probably find out the weekend after this at Blood and Glory.
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7 minutes ago, Overread said:
From Spiel I'm expecting to see some clarification on the Necromunda content to come and perhaps the next round of the Physchic campaign that GW is doing for 40K as the Eldar stuff is out now. Though that one might be little more than a teaser.
More general Sisters of Battle info and perhaps some outline of the Reapers release program over the next week or two.Another Warcry Warband or two would be neat to see; however Underworlds also has a good chance of showing something else off.
I don't expect to see any details on future AoS releases; its too hot a moment with Ogors and Reapers right in the middle of pre-ordering.
There very well could be some more 40k stuff for Psychic Awakening, I hadn't considered that. I think in the past the Spiel previews have been more in line with the boxed games GW produces, as they are more on theme for the event than mass battle games.
Underworlds is a possibility as well. Though I think the Goblins are the only other Underworlds thing we will get this year. I think since we had that Spire Tyrant shown and the 2019 Warcry book we will definitely see them, as they are very likely to be released in the next five or six weeks.
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So what is everyone expecting from the Spiel preview?
Last year we got The Undead BB team, a board game, and something I can't recall.
Personally I think we will see the Spire Tyrants (and possibly the Scions of Flame) for Warcry. I'm also expecting to see the 4th team of the year for Blood Bowl (Chaos Dwarfs maybe?) and the new Necromunda gang.
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1 minute ago, christophe said:
It's a marketing way to make you start an ogor army
That wouldn't surprise me, or to get Ossiarch players who are impatient to buy the box even if they really don't want the Ogre stuff. That said this is all conjecture at this point and all the other OB stuff could be out soon.
I do like Ogres, though I'm still holding out for Slaves or a new Human army.
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I wonder if this set is going to be an early release set (as the Sisters box is rumored to be) where the box comes out and then no more Ossiarchs until early next year. It's really strange to see an entirely new faction in a battle box also.
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6 minutes ago, trolemon said:
While I am happy that the ogors battletome is confirmed, I can't help but feel shafted as an orruk player given ogors get a new model, dice, and terrain (orruks got diddly squat on that front).
It was cool to see Orruks combined with some new units, however I really feel GW missed an opportunity to give Ironjawz a new kit (and Fyreslayers too), as they have few options for miniatures in their faction.
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1 hour ago, Overread said:
I can see Ogors happening as GW has teased them before with a model. Tzeentch we've never had any confirmed rumour on being next and its so late now that I'd be surprised to see another Tome after Ogors this year. Next year of course anything is possible. Tzeentch, KO and Seraphon each need a new Tome whilst Slaves will also need their first Tome. Interestingly with more models coming out through Warcry Slaves might be a big Tome, but without the big launch of models as many might be out long before it hits the shelves.
4 Tomes, 4 Months - we could be 2.0 fully by April or May.
That would be pretty awesome. I would really like to see Slaves get a book. It would probably get me to start playing AoS again. Other than the Warcry bands they don't need much added to their line. I could see the release just being a book, spells, a terrain piece, and Varanguard on foot/Chaos Warriors resculpt and a character.
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9 hours ago, PraetorDragoon said:
Blood Bowl/Warcry/Underworlds/Necromunda/other specilist games can easily be bundled together in a single week of release.
I don't think we will see all of it. Just not enough time.
That could be. I personally doubt we will get a second Psychic Awakening release this year, and honestly I don't think we will see Ogres or Tzeentch either.
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The more Space Marine isn't surprising. The preorders being just Space Marines is though.
So in the last 2 and a half months of the year we have:
- A Sisters of Battle Army
- Ossiarch Bonereapers
- A Blood Bowl Team
- A Warcry Book
- Very likely the Last Two Chaos Warbands for Warcry and possibly the Cyclops.
- An underworld Warband
- A new Necromunda Expansion and gang
- Possibly Ogres or Tzeentch
- And (I don't really follow 40k so not sure) another Space Marine release and another Psychic Awakening book and possibly accompanying kits.
- Army and Terrain Bundles
- Aeronautica Ork Heavy Bommas
It looks like an expensive time for a lot of hobbyists.
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@Maturin You did a great deal of work there along with a lot of other Order players, thanks for putting in the effort. This is really good information to know, and definitely something I will have to consider in deciding what units/City to go for.
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2 minutes ago, Arkhanist said:
No worries! One thing I forgot is that is city impacts some units as battleline if, e.g. freeguild pistoliers and outriders are battleline in tempest eye. Most are tied to the general as usual, list is here. I believe If you make your own painting scheme up for your own City, then you can 'count as' any other city so you're not locked in permanently. I'm kinda torn between Greywater fastness and Tempest's eye for my existing duardin, so I'm planning on my own city with fluff (and a repaint) that I could run as either.
That is an extremely helpful link. I really would like to use Freeguild, Duardin, and Dark Aelves (though I'm not so into the corsairs as I hate painting them), so I', not sure which route I would go. Maybe Anvilguard. I like the idea of making my own paint scheme and coming up with my own fluff for a city, and it would be an added bonus to be able to experiment with different rules.
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@Maturin@Arkhanist Thank you two immensely. I really appreciate the feedback, this is really good to know If I decide to go forward with building an army.
The Rumour Thread
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Eh, even is Warcry hadn’t been done, I would much rather have the 8 cult units than new marauders. They are much more visually interesting and allow people to choose what function their army has/ what they look like rather just having a single option. Also if the WU Darkoath kit is what new Marauders would look like I would rather have ANY of the cult units as I think the Darkoath WU models are some of the most visually boring models GW has ever released.
I am a huge fan of Slaves (played then for 3 editions of fantasy) and will be starting an army with the new book and since Warriors / Knights are getting modern resculpts. I personally think we got spoiled for new models. So far we are getting
1. Resculpted Warriors
2. Resculpted Knights
3. 8 Cult Units
4. The Formoroid
5. The awesome Cat/Sphinx thing
6. The Myrmidon
7. The new Hero on Monster
We will almost certainly get multipart Warriors and Knights later (like the New Shadowspeae box and the new CSM), and hopefully the Warriors can be assembled as Chosen.