Austin

Yeah I keep seeing people who say they heard that from someone else, but I have not yet seen a person who was there say "I was there and heard them say that." I am trying to not doubt that it happened, but you know how the telephone game works. Unless you were there, and then I have just been not paying attention very well haha.

I just don't think the battletome cover means much. The BoK cover has no daemons on it, new Stormcast cover had no Sequitors, Gloomspite didn't show the Trolls or Boingrotz, Fyreslayers only have one model type anyway (too soon?), so I think they just do what looks awesome and the new cover for HoS does look amazing. I think the best argument FOR mortals is that if they don't do them now it would probably mean that they won't be out for a year or more which would be odd considering all Chaos Gods except the Dark Prince have them. And of course the two best arguments AGAINST mortals is the limited nature of many releases lately, plus the lack of explicit "this isn't all we have coming out" in the big reveal.

I’m not saying that GW isn’t doing it on purpose. I’m saying I disagree with it.

I hope you are deeply, truly, blazingly wrong about this release. Shockingly wrong even. However....the most likely outcome is that we will all be sad in a few weeks/months and you will be shaking your head like a parent whose kid just had to touch that stovetop. You tried, and we just didn't listen. Now its time to get the ice bucket. Its appropriate that a Slaanesh release will find a way to hurt me.

Hey there is no intent to demean you and I am sorry it came off that way. Everyone has different opinions, my point originally was to figure out where in the heck you were coming from with the releases. You say them so forcefully (in text so maybe confidently is a better word) that it makes you stand out to me. I do think in general it creates better conversations if people consider past things they have said when making new assertions. I read your posts to say no new book, etc., etc. If you are saying that is not what you meant then good to go. But, what I did not mean to do was demean you, that is no good.

I mean.....

I thought at first you were saying Slaanesh wasn’t coming at all this year? Sorry if that wasn’t you, I didn’t look it up but I thought I remembered that. I don’t know what you mean by a subfaction though. Hedonites of Slaanesh seem like Blades of Khorne seem like Disciples of Tzeentch seem like Maggotkin of Nurgle. It is just the new name for AoS. We are all definitely speculating wildly right now. Rumoring it up as it were. Trying to read the tea leaves from which (as we see) all of us can make different conclusions haha.

Same for me. I hope I’m wrong!

The bad news as far as Slaanesh mortals are concerned is that when I went back and looked at the Idoneth preview from last year's adepticon, all of the new models were shown in the reveal video.

Yeah I understand impulse buys and all that. But if that was such an overwhelmingly superior method of selling, why do video games or books or any number of other luxury items not go that route? edit - for an even better example, until recently even GW themselves previewed BL books three months in advance.

I read your response as pretty snide. If you didn’t intend that I apologize. I’m not sure what part of the chapterhouse saga you mean isn’t fact. GW had an adverse court ruling. After that ruling they pulled all units that had no models from books. Books still have no units that don’t have models very quickly. So it seems logical that GW is still impacted. I admit that I don’t know as fact that they are “terrified.” And I categorically disagree that nobody would buy models if GW clearly communicated a release schedule.

The good money after bad thing is exactly my point. GW creates that situation. If the army isn't selling, it is either rules or models. In the case of Fyreslayers its possible I suppose it was both, but don't you think that a horde army with only two/three variations that you need 90 of and costs a ton might have selling problems? I guess the overall point I am making about old bad GW is that they are clearly still terrified about the Chapterhouse court case and refuse to create new units in battletomes without models. This is really the problem especially when they (allegedly) have production issues, so they are likely trying to do fans a favor with these interim battletomes (and make money). What GW is missing though is that not creating new units isn't stopping third parties from doing resculpts or from creating their own units. If GW said, hey- in four/five/seven months we are releasing a Seraphon battletome and along with that there will be X models. Ok awesome. Guess what I won't be doing, buying the not Seraphon alternatives because I know GW will make amazing models. The people who do buy those alts early, would have done it anyway. But because some part of GW is still so secretive about releases, they are totally missing the opportunity to allow customers to show loyalty to the brand (and most of us are rather loyal/devoted/obsessed).

I have two main thoughts about the Fyreslayers release. 1) it is awesome that GW is updating non chaos, non Stormcast battletomes. That is a really good sign for the future. 2) this release, along with Skaven and FEC, shows that although NuGW is clearly in full control sometimes the old bad GW still makes the decisions. It’s about the models. End of story. People like options in models. It would solve all the problems if GW would just say “hey we know you want new models and we are planning on it but we just don’t have the production” or whatever. Communicate it. Otherwise we really are looking at the TK and bretonnians all over again. Factions need support or they don’t sell.

The endless spell/terrain fiesta is starting to feel like a result of it being easier to manufacture those items. I like endless spells and I’m pretty much over it.

I don’t play Fyreslayers so I’m genuinely curious. Is it really going to help the army if they still only have three units to choose from or whatever? If there is another battleline Slaaneth unit along the same aesthetics of these new models I’m starting a new army for sure.

So this is a super tin-foil hat theory. I just got a notice that Avatars of War released a not-Razordon model. Could they have inside baseball on an upcoming Seraphon release? All this talk has me wanting the Seraphon rumors to come true (but with an actual model update vs just a book and spells/terrain).

Easy—— this is a family forum.

At least we know why the Darkoath Chieftain from The Silver Tower is sneering. That is GW, mocking our desires while knowing we will instantly forgive them the moment I see a glorious Darkoath Battletome cover. As Gandalf once said about me, "Austin both loves and hates the GW as he loves and hates himself." Or close enough to that anyway.

I heard that I am tired of waiting for Darkoath. edit-- my source is solid.

Oh, yeah I didn't mean it like that. I was just wondering if I had missed some common rumor!

Where did you hear that? Or do you just mean because of past releases?

I think my response to you was caught up in the flames. So for posterity- I think the new model is likely Sisters of Battle because of Google researching the sculptor. Also for posterity my first version of this post was pretty awesome and "clever"er than you can imagine.

It is almost certainly Sisters of Battle stuff. He posted on FB back in October that he was working on a faction he'd never worked on before (he does mainly 40k stuff). Regarding the earlier censured discussion, its the SAME people every single time who pile into conversations like that and turn it rude and confrontational.

Yeah I think the release schedule must be so fluid that its hard to predict anything even if somehow you come into genuine insider knowledge. I cannot think that GW meant to drag out the release of Darkoath (or even Gloomspite) so far after Malign Portents. It ended up turning the event into sort of a 'meh' situation.

I’m so excited!! for the....ummm..hmmm. ..... ..........