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One thing about the Bonereapers faces, you can see on the catapult they attatch to the back head almost like masks. It's a nice parallel to Stormcast and works nicely with the Samurai like elements of their design.
I think I might run with it and paint their faces in a different color.
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I love the Reapers. Granted I have been very insistend that elite constructs of Death as answer to Stormcast are exactly what is needed. So I am getting exactly what I wanted.
Looking at them closely, there's a few things to say:
-They do indeed look quite stiff. For one, I think it's appropiate, they are automatons of Death. It makes me think of they way Skeletons move in Total War:Warhammer. Also, it's only really the infantry and cavalry unit kits and I think that is because these are designed oldschool- less fancy posing, but more interchangability and customization. If I am right, I feel that is a good thing. Some recent unit kits have been damn near monopose and that is not a good quality in models you need in many multiples for an army.
-Some of them, particularly the infantry unit, look rather goofy. The cartoonish studio paintjob doesn't help. I myself like it, it's got some real Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain vibe, which really is Nagashes vibe. And with some slight modification and a grimdark paintjob they won't anymore.
-The big star for me is the Catapult. Such an amazing engine and truly a worthy inheritor of the Screaming Skull Catapults legacy.
-The other big star is that Mortarch. I really love everything about that model. Might even be enough to finally get me to buckle and get a special character, with I usually avoid like hell. My one disappointment is that the two warriors are his attendants, which means they aren't another elite unit or heroes.
-Speaking of heroes, I count two besides the Mortarch, both of them Caster types. I really hope there will be martial heroes forthcoming as well. I don't like the idea of such a martial force, headed overall by the "Realms Greatest General" wouldn't have some martial Commanders to lead them.
-So far a rather small unit count. One Elite, one cavalry, one infantry, two heroes, a behemoth and a unique. They said there is more coming, but knowing GW, this might well mean just a few more heroes or even just alternative builds. I hate minifactions with wastly limited range (stuck that way gods know how long) and they'd need quite a few more units to leave that area.
On to other news AoS, there is only one book for Warcry with no new models. I guess they took their mouth a little full with their big list of games that would get news, but seeing how they've shown of a good batch of two armies each, I won't complain. It's nice Warcry gets ways to include more existing miniatures and quick support, though there's also serious bloat potential (*cough* Killteam). Of course there are still the two warbands unshown, so this sort of news is rather lackluster against the perspective of shiny new models.
Not commenting on all the 40k except for this:
Psychic Awakening - New Storyline with multiple expansions and splash releases - Called it just a few pages back (along with a bunch of stuff I got quite wrong of course)
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I'd be really surprised if they drop the entire model line of Tithe Fallas on our heads tomorrow.
I'm thinking we might be looking at a Shadowspear like situation here. So they show the box content of all new models Ogres vs. Tithe, with BT:Ogres hot on its heels, but the Tithe only gets rules in the box to tide them over until a full BT and army release at the tail end of the year. Alternatively, it's a Blightwar like deal, if Tithe includes old skeleton models, and it's the Tyrant and Coffin Guy plus old models and then Tithe a bit later.
Even if I'm wrong and there is no box, I figure at the very least they'll keep the new Mortarch himself under wraps a bit longer, just as they did with Morathi and Olynder.
All in all, this year looks pretty full come tomrrow. With Tithe and SoB we are looking at two full new model line releases in four months time. That alone will take plenty of space.
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-Beastgrave, which I guess will be one drop of the Core set and about one or two paired warband drops this year
-A second wave for Warcry. My guess is two drops of two Warbands, the two Warbands not yet revealed and my guess Solo drops for Iron Golems and Untamed Beasts. Though the composition might vary here, they might keep Golems and Beasts starter exclusive for longer. They might also drop some other stuff, like more wandering Monsters, Terrain or Expansions that move the scope of the game.
-Psychic Awakening, which I guess is not only a set or book, but also an opening of a new narrative Chapter like Malign Portents was and it might be followed by further narrative game expansion. It might also come with some splash releases, as they did with the two new vehicles anlongside Apokalypse.
-Primaris still haven't got all their new models, there will also be further mini-dex releases with one Character for Marines.
-Not to forget Cities and Orruks. They may come together in one drop. I wonder if they may have abandoned the entire Endless Spells and Terrain business after the Sylvaneth debakle, seeing how they did not show any for these two. Personally I would welcome that, since I feel it was really getting tedious and I prefer my terrain not to be a mandatory part of army lists. But I'm primarily a collector and modeler, I can totally see more gaming focused hobbyist feeling left in the dust if their armies go empty handed. Also, many of those terrain pieces are quite appealing models and I guess this business model was the only way to get them produced at all.
Add Forgeworld releases, likely something Killteam and Blackstone Fortress, andit quickly adds up to an almost full schedule for the rest of 2019.
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Really, Tithe of Bones, The "compound or made up word" Tithe or even just the Tithe would all be neither bad nor out of place among AoS faction names.
Wether it's in the name or not, I really like that it is part of their lore. I'm a big fan of the idea of a spiritual beaurocrathy in general and feel it feels particularly fitting with Nagash. For one it really meshes well with his megalomanical sense of hierarchic order and getting his due, for another it all creates the sense that Nagash has become a fundamental part of not just death, but also life in the Mortal Realms and creates a sense of continuity for the Grand Alliance going back all the way to the Age of Myth*, which, in my opinnion, is something the faction needs.
*Whereas Legions represent continuity to the World-That-Was, Nighthaunt the stirrup following the Necroquake and thus as Nagashes ambition to reshape the Realms in the Age of Sigmar, and Flesheaters an almost rogue unintended result of the Age of Chaos.
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For internal strife in Death:
Unless the second FEC Battletome seriously retconned some stuff, Ushoran is bound to show up again sooner or later. He definitely isn't on good footing with Nagash and due to his madness cannot be properly controlled either. So it's definitely possible.
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So, these might have the sort of aesthetics I have been looking for in a Death release, a more ornate look, as others noted, drawn more from the Endtimes undead.
I now am really looking forward to these, with some luck these will also have a stronger connection to the Age of Myth than the factions seen so far, which would make these a double wammy.
Also curious to see just what kind of undead exactly they are. I don't think they are purely skeletons, a number of them look way to beefy for that. Together with the mix and match steeds it makes me think construct, but I'll freely admit that may very well be wishful thinking, since that is a third thing I've been waiting for.
In any case, Nova Open might be one of the nice previews.
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Yeah, this seems spot on for the Scions of the flame, with the resemblance of a Chaos Star, curving reminiscent of the halbert in the artwork and the, well, flame.
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2 hours ago, alghero81 said:
Looking at the release roadmap the 31st of August looks like to be all clear for AoS right?
Assuming the 21st is Beastgrave, there are another 2 weekends before that in September. Do we have anything previewed recently still waiting his own release aside AoS? I reckon all specialist games got what they were waiting this weekend, Blood Bowl too has everything being released, right?
So now we have 3 weeks for some AoS stuff and some more 40k, and in theory we would have a glimpse of the future this weekend from Nova. Sounds right?
Primaris are still awaiting their unit kits for Eleminators and Infiltrators.
Blood Bowl has the Lizardmen team previewed but unreleased.
There's also two more unseen Warcry warbands, not yet anounced, but they are in the Corebook and pretty much certain to come at some point.
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45 minutes ago, Dirtnaps said:
They have been pulling inspiration from historical cultures though, you only need to look at the IDK and DoK to see it. I do think this is going to be the new Deathrattle which will probably get a name change and a new aesthetic with the classic aesthetic staying with LoN if the new faction really is going to be an elite one, what we can make out of the silhouette of the armour the troops are wearing in the Tither part 2 vid doesn't really look a whole lot like the current armour either the skeleton warriors or grave guard are wearing. The silhouettes look almost like the armour soldiers would wear in feudal japan, whatever they're wearing definitely has an asian flavour to it imo. That said though it could also just be the old aesthetic just with a more AoS spin on it for all we know.
It's kind of hard to do fantasy and not draw inspiration from historical cultures (and by hard, I mean near impossible here). Thing is, GW hasn't made a single faction for AoS that draws on just one culture or even worse just the pop cultural image of just one culture and I doubt they'll go back to that game now.
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My take:
Not an entirely new faction for Death. This all looks awfully skeleton-y and it would be downright insulting to those who have been waiting for something Deathrattle not to include those kits if they put out a skeleton faction (this particular view might be influence by me having quite a few unbuild skeletons and black knights biding their time in storage) . Also the Deathrattle kits are still quite serviceable and at least the black riders will stick around for a while due to also building a Nighthaunt unit. Also these guys have been at their tithing game for a long long time and GW has at least been trying to write up a reason entirely new factions haven't been seen so far (Overlords-hiding in the Clouds, Idoneth-hiding underseas, Sacrosanct Chamber-where foretold and named in previous Stormcast Battletomes, but also busy protecting the Anvil).
Not Tomb Kings, not egyptian or mongolian or whatever. GW has been really good about not doing fantastic counterpart cultures but instead forging their own identity for the new factions in AoS. I don't see the breaking the mold here. Does not mean people won't see a tendency to this or that real world culture in the final result, I think that's inevitable. But I'm quite confident these won't be a WHFB type deal of 1 to 1 transferred imagery as some still seem to expect. These might be AoS "Tomb Kings" in army composition though. If so, that would be a core of varied skeleton troops supported by freaky, quite possible construct in nature, special units and lead by hard as nails heroes. Which sounds like a winner to me.
We actually have three dudes to speculate about, with not the slightest idea which of the three are actually one and the same. We've got the monstrously powerful Death entity freed from the Stormvault. We've got the still quite mighty narrator of tithe of bones. And then we have the silhouette of what is quite definitely a new hero, who, while imo quite cool looking so far, does not exactly strike me as mighty mortarch level stuff material. Personally I don't feel the narrator and the freed entity are one and the same, the narrator story strikes me as rather mundane and it also makes no reference to being held captive. But we really won't know until we know.
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I love the Underworlds Beastmen. Makes me really wish they got a larger update or some new units.
Sadly I feel like those three regular Kurnothi may very well be my least favorite miniatures out of everything produced for AoS. Like they mixed only the worst parts of very oldschool woodelves with exceedingly awkward Satyrs. But it looks like they'll have their fans.The Centaur looks awesome though.
I also really like the BB Saurus. Properly big and feral. The braces are perfect for BB and look like they are easily removed for AoS, as they don't connect to the mouth itself. Still undecided on the skinks, but that might be paintjob. And with six Sausus to a box, they really are bits in my mind.
Bit sad we did not get a preview of the Scions of Flame or Spyre Tyrants for Warcry, but it's really not a bad showing considering it's for Gencon (so a pretty minor preview). And all miniature reveals and not a single tease in sight. Nice.
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14 minutes ago, Carnelian said:
I hate to derail again but I'm so confused how the STD guy is complaining... Didn't Games Workshop just release 8 new warscrolls for Slaves to Darkness along with around 50 new models for the Slaves to Darkness range? Most of which are outstanding?
Well, all of these miniatures where made for a seperate game and the warscrolls are only written to make these miniatures playable at all. But playable does not mean practicable to use. Chaos players would propably be better of using the warcry warbands as marauders than they are with using those warscrolls.
Bottom line, warscrolls and datasheets released for miniatures made for stuff like Warcry, Warhammer Quest or Underworlds just never measure up to the rules written for maingame releases. Just as the miniatures themselves just never fit in as well with the main force. Because both where produced for a completely different purpose.
I think it is unfair to ignore this and tell those waiting they should be glad they got so many miniatures and warscrolls when they can't use these remotely as they could use what comes with a full update.
Not to forget that not just undivided mortal players are affected by the weakness of the Slaves line and silence on their future. Apart from Khorne, monogod Chaos players are hardly spoiled for choices when it comes to mortal units outside of Slaves.
And this is something GW has actually been outright misleading, if not even disingenuous , about. Remember when Hedonites released and there was serious disappointment that it was all daemons for a faction that has only one mortal unit?
There where multiple instances of the Warhammer Community account telling those disappointed to look to Warcry for that. Well, none of the new models can be used in marked allegiance. Unless there is something major coming completely out of the left field, all monogod players got for mortals was some kits to convert into better looking but also very expensive marauders. Or some weak and awkward warscrolls to pointlessly ally in.
I just didn't have the expectation to be disappointed. I'm also very eager to get my hands on Warcry on its own merit. But I can absolutely see why a lot of other fans of Chaos Mortals are quite frustrated with GW right now.
Yes in theory they got a lot, but in practise they got nothing they could use. And this despite GW marketing telling them again and again that they have every reason to get excited.
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6 hours ago, Rogue Explorator said:
Now, to see how many actual new miniatures, actually produced in house primarily for use in AoS proper they have to show here. Apart from Gloomspite at the start of the year we really didn't have much of that this year.
So there was one.
In numbers: 1.
Ok.
Well, it is a very nice model. Time will tell if it comes as part of a battlebox. But I guess they would have announced the other side, like they did with every other battlebox so far in that case.
Beastgrave. Just siluettes, but from what I can glimpse it looks like they are getting bolder compared to season 2. I guess its what hasting called wanderes. One looks like a centaur? They also got bolder from season 1 to 2 , so nice to see that trend continue. Just gonna warn though, if this season with that name and theme does not include a Beasts of Chaos warband, and according to hastings it won't, I'll take it as a personal offence.
The Tithe. I guess a new faction for Death can be considered more likely. Nice. Looks and sounds very skeletoney. Also nice.
I won't speculate who it is at this points. Just gonna say, if it is someone we know, no matter who, there's a couple of red herings in the mix here.
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I would have liked it better if Ironjawz and Bonesplitterz had been left seperate and further developed. However, Destruction is the GA I have the least interest in and they could still untangle them LoN/Nighthaunt style at a later date. So it really is a very minor snag to me.
Free Cities Battletome is great news on the other hand. It codifies Free Cities in the cosmopolitan style they have been presented with so far and really cleans up the order factions. It looks like it will be an amazing tool for players with a more narrative bent to really create their own faction and still have a shot at playing matched play and pickup games with a legal and at least demi-competitive army. It also ensures that a lot of these very minor, but lorewhise interesting factions will stick around in the Mortal Realms and opens exciting avenues for GW to expand the faction down the line with new minifactions or units that blend the various factions and cultures. It also really makes me hopeful for and S2D/Chaos leftovers tome that is similarly open to being blended with other factions (in this case the four monogod factions).
About the only downside I see is that it puts up a faction that is very hard to resist for me, when I still have so much Chaos (and Warcry) on my to-do list.
Nice to see they did not announce or tease terrain/endless spells. At the very least it shows that GW finally gets that they are not as big a deal as they've made it out to be. But I wouldn't be surprised and honestly glad if none where coming, as they have become so stale to me that I'd rather see factions released with no new miniatures at all, than with them as if that was some great update and expansion for the range (coff-Fyreslayers).
Now, to see how many actual new miniatures, actually produced in house primarily for use in AoS proper they have to show here. Apart from Gloomspite at the start of the year we really didn't have much of that this year.
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Just now, CitizenX said:
I feel like it has already been confirmed that the starter box is Golems vs Beasts. (Having trouble finding the article, but the packaging was shown on Warhammer Community a while back)
About all but confirmed I'd say. A lot of none-to-subtle hints (the previewed box art, the order of previews, the many shots of what certainly looks like starter content). But they have yet to confirm it explicitly.
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I need these, right down my alley. I love weird helmets and masks. These might well be the weirdest yet in a setting full of them. Also really like their equipment and poses.
Still, starter and Splintered Fangs, my overall favorites, get priority.
I'm definitely tending towards the more civilised warbands, with Splintered Fangs, Iron Golems and now Cypher Lords forming my top three. Still want to get my hands on Corvus Cabal and Unmade, but that can wait for a while.
Annoyingly the Untamed Beasts, the only warband I could see myself completely skipping, will propably be in the starter.
1 minute ago, shinros said:Honestly they seem more Slaanesh to me, why would the article then say this? Well at least from the looks of things they will make good conversion fodder since GW don't feel like giving slaanesh mortals.
The Cypher Lords are the perfect warband for players that like the seductive, almost civilised side of Chaos – the esoteric cults and shadowy gatherings of nobles within cities all across the realms, as opposed to the unwashed, screaming barbarian masses outside them.
I think that all the warbands could still fit in with any of the gods, with slight tendencies to about two. Like these could quite well fit with either Tzeentch or Slaanesh, but don't have to and could even be fit to Khorne or Nurgle.
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I think Nurgle is by far the most likely warband to come out (to go with one god per season in the order of army release) and, looking at the lion, I think we can already say at least one aelven warband is coming. I also can't see them skipping Stormcast entirely.
Apart from those three its all a wash.
Idoneth, DoK, Ogors, Bonesplitterz, Seraphon, Soulblight, FEC, Free Peoples, Slaanesh and Beasts of Chaos are all factions I'd expect to stick around that have yet to get a warband. There is also a distinct possibility of a yet unrevealed Death faction, which if real might mean it also gets a warband. So there's a lot of choice but few clear indicators.
Personally I have my fingers crossed for Beasts of Chaos or some proper undivided Chaos Warriors the most.
I'd like to see Seraphon, FEC, DoK and Free Peoples as well, if only for conversion potential and hints where GW will take most of these factions.
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Just to counter those who say Warcry had to long a preview stage for them to be excited, I really love the long rollout.
For once I was able and motivated to save up money for a big GW release which might be an absolute first. With my budget being quite thin this year, I might have had to give Warcry a miss with a shorter preview span, despite really wanting those models.
Granted, I would have liked some earlier info on gameplay. But even if both the game and the AoS rules for the models are a dud for me, I'll still find plenty of uses for the warbands in my Chaos Collection.
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3 minutes ago, Overread said:
Eh there's been several works of new art that don't have models, heck the Flesh Eater Courts have a "new model" art on their warscroll cards.
This, the policy has gone the way of the dodo a while back, when GW started turning things around.
Still, this particular case is curious, considering the wyvern riders are quite prominent and represent something so big. Add to that GW having just removed Orruk wyvern raiders by throwing Greenskinz into the archives. At the very least this shows a direction GW might plan to take Bonesplittaz. I remember Bonesplittaz being all the rage for some time (helped along by Kunnin Rukk) and I think that if they where aproved for expansion at the time they sold well, they'd be ready for release around now. So while this is not remotely proof of an expansion of the model range, together with the lack of GHB changes, it at least is a feasable hint at such a turn of events.
It certainly would be nice if at least one (or two, with BCR) of the small model range Battletome factions got a proper expansion in the near future.
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6 hours ago, Kurrilino said:
I feel your pain.
I also started Warriors of Chaos many many years ago because of mighty heavily armored mercyless fighters.
In 8th edition the warriors were the by far the strongest battle line units. They were feared when marked right.
When AOS came around they removed the marks or better said the powers of the marks. Now STD are just a joke and i get more and more frustrated to the point where i think about selling my whole chaos army of all marks. The point decrease of the chariots is another sign that the devs have absolutely no idea plan of what to do with STD in the future. So they give the chariots a tiny tiny point decrease when taken in groups of 3. Problem is, chariots get weaker when taken in groups. Of course the point drop is for the chariots nobody plays instead of the gorebeast chariots, the only unit that could be remotely considered as not utter garbage.
And i am in the same boat, i guess they will completely remove the marks and this will be the final nail into the coffin. Evidence for that is the Dark Queen.
It's just sad
I don't think they'll remove the marks from any unit that currently has them. These don't just get used in Slaves armies, but in all monogod armies. And I think there are just to many player who still have a good sized chunk of Slaves in their monogod armies. Even if it is not the optimal gameplay choice, there are plenty of reasons to do this, not the least being that the mortal options outside of Khorne are rather thin and again only Khorne has a adequately equivalent (in the lore and looks department) replacement for Chaos Warriors.
Removing marks has serious potential to upset a larger amount of players than would be wise.
It could see them taken down the route of Beasts with marks available only via battalion. I'd consider even that a rather poor move though, as that comes with a serious unit tax, restraining collections and list composition.
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44 minutes ago, Saiken said:
The inclusion of Slaves to Darkness as a allegiance ability in GHB 2019 really takes mes aback. Who knows what's next for Archaon & the Darkoath !
Also, the non-inclusion of Soulblight could be a telltale sign for out next death army ?
Unlikely. These are exactly the allegiances that have also been in the last two GHBs and not yet covered by any battletome. Soulblight allegiance is now in LoN, so no reason for a reprint.
I don't think there is any room at all to read any speculation out of them whatsoever.
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5 minutes ago, silverstu said:
Yep! Bringing this approach to other factions/places could be really cool. Love the crow tribe - I'm not interested in chaos at all but as models they look fantastic.
Well, if they continue Warcry with a seasonal model like Underworlds, later seasons could be focused on different factions.
So you could get something like Season 1-Chaos Tribes fighting in the varanspire; Season 2-minor Greenskin tribes duking it out in Ghur; Season 3-Gangs of the Free Cities; etc.
An Death focused one would be a bit out there, but maybe something like the remnants of different lost civilisations fighting begone wars. It would be a neat way to flesh out the Age of Myth a bit more and bring some of it into the current Age, something AoS sorely needs imo. We keep hearing about these diverse and grand civilisation of the Age of Myth and I'm a bit sick of being told but never shown, tbh. Death would be the place for remnants of a begone Age and it would give the GA some needed differentiation.
Not saying any of this will happen, but Warcry is definitely a broad enough name to span a number of settings, which is a stark contrast to the previous naming of similar games for their narrow narrative and setting (Nekromunda, Gorkamorka, Mordheim, Battlefleet Gothic).
14 minutes ago, Overread said:Honestly I don't think we will see GW do this for other factions.
We might see some in Free Peoples, but otherwise I think it would bloat the model line far too much trying to realm-scape every faction. Now GW could release realm decoration features. Upgrade packs and bases and the like which might have a generic realm feel and could be used on any faction.
It is a huge jump from "for other factions" to "every faction".
As you yourself concede when you say we might see Free Peoples, there is a big scale inbetween not giving such warbands to anybody else and making a bunch for every conceivable model line.
If GW is true to their claim that Warcry is to be a fully supported gameline, they'll have to expand it in some way. Doing so in the way the original lineup was done seems like it would be the logical choice.
Lots of ifs, yes. GW doesn't always keep to statements like that and they certainly don't always act logical to an outsiders point of view. As always, not getting ones hopes up is a good policy to keep. But it remains a distinct possibility.
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Well, even though not much was actually revealed, I am really happy with this round of reveals.
It's a mix of pretty low expectations and them at least showing a bunch of very good looking miniatures.
Seriously, I want everything they've shown today. I could see myself building an army from that enforcer kit (I know not AoS) and the Bloodbowl team looks like a great bits source for my Slaanesh stuff.
I don't think we will see another Battletome or Codex aside from Sylvaneth and maybe Chaos Knights until August, between them wanting to spotlight contrast and warcry and the shipment issues.
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The more criticisms I read that the Ossiarchs are ridiculous ,off and badly proportioned, the more that part of them grows on me.
Not because I like to be contrary, but because it is just so fitting for Nagash. So the big Skelledaddy wants his own elites to face Stormcast and Chaos Warriors. And what does he create? Dignified imposing and expressionless Statues? Terrifying amalganations that have "body horror" written all over them? No, that would be "Death Stormcast" or "Death Chaos Warriors".
Nagash is the guy who thinks wearing a huge pope hat of bones is dignified, the guy who plasters his skeletal mug on everything and thinks it glorious. He creates these things. Pompous mini Nagashes with clunky proportions and goofy not-quite faces, the sort of thing a child thinks edgy. The toy soldiers of an ancient yet immature megalomaniac. They are grotesque and bizarre, but not remotely in the sense Chaos is.
They aren't all that scary, they aren't horror. They look like maybe they where supposed to be, but Nagash just doesn't get people, how could he get what makes them shake in their boots?
Heck, this being Death, they may be elite by that factions standart, but I doubt they'll measure up individually to Stormcast or Chaos Warriors. They aren't Deaths equivalent to the super soldiers. They are the cheap knock-off product.
And I love that. It sets Death apart from the other GAs and the forces of Undeath in other settings and firmly establishes the GA as Nagashes in all his unhinged ill-advised pompous glory.