Aeryenn
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9 hours ago, KingBrodd said:
I know GW is GW and has kept selling those WHFB minis for Cities because older players who have invested so much money and time into their minis would be dissapointed in not being able to use them and GW loves making money from new players and there wasnt a replacement Faction for those minis but I think they shouldve gradually been phased out long ago to avoid such a stark cutting.
Its on GW really for not releasing a Faction like Cities sooner.*
I dont want any WHFB minis in AOS at some point.
Out with the Old, in with the New.
*I know of production timelines and such but come on we've waited 8 years for Mortals!!
Exactly.
It's already a shame that several factions still mostly consist of old fantasy models that don't quite well meet today's AoS standards. We all know which factions, no need to point them out, maybe except for one - Skaven. I really don't understand why did GW neglect so much one of their most iconic factions, which is like a Warhammer trademark. They need Seraphon and CoS treatment ASAP.
As for the show.
Last time when GW introduced Harbringers they mentioned more than once that some factions are getting updates and so did the rumors here on tga. None of that really happened at least during yesterday's show.
CoS look better than I expected. They are the underdogs of AoS, yet don't seem boring or too plain. AoSification done well. The manticore is ok. Just ok. I'm not all that crazy as most people seem to be about her. Good centerpiece though.
Clan Pestilence is ok as a warband but I wouldn't really purse this subject any more. Maggotkin of Nurgle cover the same theme and do it better in my opinion. Skaven should develop around Skryre being the only high tech faction apart from Kharadron Overlords. Or Moulder as this seem something interesting enough. I wouldn't go into horde direction though, even if it IS a Skaven thing. There are more than enough horde factions in the game right now.
Kruleboyz warband is cool, don't like the apes though and I don't understand why GW pushes them again.
The Old World once again is a joke. A single mini. Resin in fact. I don't get why would anyone in 2023 choose TOW over AoS. I'm talking new wargaming players. How are they going to advertise it? "Come buy our 20y old sculpts which sales were discontinued for more than a decade! We have ONE new mini for you!". Everything TOW does, CoS seem to do better.
Don't care about 30k stuff. This new scale game is aimed for a different audience in my opinion. More board game players rather than wargaming. The latter expect higher quality of the minis.
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3 hours ago, Jetlife said:
Brand new armies aside, what else do we have to be modified/redone?
Spiderfang
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2 hours ago, Vasshpit said:
Naked orruks need to just go. Controversial, I know but they do.
ToW is out soon and the line just needs to go back to its home.
This opens up more design space for Ironjawz and Kruleboyz.
You had a good run but time to go.
I thought the same but this warband changed my mind. Pretty cool. I would expand on shaman/vodoo theme.
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42 minutes ago, PJetski said:
If there are more people who like Stormcast than Beasts of Chaos, why is it selfish to want more Stormcast?
There are plenty of arguments for why other armies should get model releases. Faux moral indignation is not one of them.
Personally I really dislike CoS and Ogors by design but I wish CoS and Ogor players to receive many shiny new minis the sooner the better. That keeps whole community happy and equal.
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4 minutes ago, Jetlife said:
Stormcast will always be in the spotlight and even though I don’t collect them. They should. Their characters and lore is what drives the main story. Like them or not, they are a necessity in the AOS world. Now I definitely think they have too many units that people don’t use or now appear out of place but that is more of a rule design thing…
I agree with others points on just because they are making stormcast doesn’t mean that’s not allowing them to make other faction units. If they wanted other units for factions, they would make them.
Personally, I feel that the majority of armies from a gameplay perspective have enough units. Ironjawz has a small roster, but they have everything they need. Their rules are solid and they have plenty of alternate sculpts through, special edition models, warcry and underworlds. I feel the same for every other army as well. Even though Skaven and Beasts have a lot of old models the range has variety.
The one AOS army that lacks range and variety is Fyreslayers. I Will completely agree on that point. To me they are the weakest army from a design perspective. Even when they do drop a new hero, he’s hardly unique enough to stand out from the Fyreslayers crowd.
The thing you say about Ironjawz can also be said about every other army with perhaps a few exceptions.
I'd rather AoS had like 3 poster factions. It's a bit boring when you already know Stormcasts are in the 4th edition starter. And we know they are. Same as every 40k starter. I would really be more willing to buy Leviathan if there was ANY OTHER faction in the box but SM. Probably it will be same for 4e AoS. I know there are more people who think the same way.
But if that's really the price for keeping this hobby running, then be it.
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1 minute ago, Grungnisson said:
But that's an entirely different point altogether.
I have never defended the current situation myself, I only point out it's not right to blame SCE for cannibalising other AoS releases.
We can't be sure but you might be right.
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4 minutes ago, Chikout said:
Not really. I don't think it's a contraversial statement to say that space marines have carried gw over the years. I remember the old statement that the tactical marine box outsold all of fantasy. I'm not sure how true this is but it's not too much of a stretch to say that GW could easily have gone bankrupt if marines hadn't caught on.
Fantasy never had a poster faction and arguably suffered because of it.
AoS has 26 factions. In a hypothetical situation where each army is equally supported and each player picks one faction, if GW releases a new mini it will sell to a maximum of 4% of the playerbase.
Its better financially to have uneven support. Having a faction that is well supported and sells well allows all the other factions to exist.
I would very much like to see AoS continue for at least another 20 years. If having a Stormcast release every three years is the price for that, it's a price I'm perfectly happy to pay.
Fair point. If you put it that way it doesn't seem that bad.
I heard a rumour that SM Rhino outsold all Wood Elves. It's becoming an urban legend I suppose.
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7 minutes ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:
It's ok to not like or not agree how GW does things for AoS. It's also ok to disagree with someone else on the thread, because we can't all have the same opinions (if we had we would be all clones and it would be frankly really boring). It's even ok to feel upset.
But it's not ok to go out and call other forum members like that.
If somebody finds that offensive I think forums are places to be avoided. That's what I think about that person's opinion. Not him/her as a person.
It is selfish to favor one faction to that degree knowing that there are people who didn't receive a single model for years.
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1 hour ago, Grungnisson said:
Could have, but they wouldn't, because the decision to not expand those armies has got nothing to do with the manpower. I already stated it in my previous post. GW isn't adding units to the Fyreslayers line not because they can't spare people to do so, it's because they currently don't have a strategy to do so.
If/when they do, they will direct people to work on it regardless, whether SCE have any new kits or not, so my point stands.
And my point stands as this decision is bad in many ways.
1. Leaves Fyreslayer, Ironjawz, DoK etc. players poorly supported. Rules aren't everything they need.
2. Discourage potential new players to buy those unsupported armies
3. It might lead the setting to be boring (look at 40k's dozens of space marine same looking models).
Yes, AoS is not in a position of 40k and I really hope it stays that way. The more people say they want new Stormcast models the closer we get to 40k Space Marine problem.
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6 minutes ago, PJetski said:
Yes
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1 hour ago, Grungnisson said:
The point is, the SCE representation does not come at a cost to other factions.
Of course it does. It's either another Stormcast chamber or 2nd wave for an army with 15-18 models. People who currently design another 10 SC miniatures could have been working on much needed new units for Fyreslayers, DoK or Ironjawz. Every SC miniature that is being printed takes place of new Grave Guard, Gutter Runners or Savage Orruks that are highly expected from the community for years. GW doesn't have separate workers, writers and printers just for GW. Everything is shared. Each time we see another SC mini announced on Warhammer Community site, we could have enjoyed a new ogor, Kurnothi or Dark Aelf mini instead.
There is really no need for SC to get another wave every 2 or 3 years. New starter set could introduce Cities of Sigmar or Lumineth instead.
And it does affect some people. I have two friends who lost interest in the hobby because of lack of support. Fyreslayer and Ironjawz players.
I also never started Fyreslayer army because I was being afraid that they will never be further developed although I liked their design.
Also, best regards to @LordAlpharius who is confused with my posts for all eternity! Never seen a different reaction from you. How confusing.
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1 hour ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:
Just because other armies deserve minis doesn't mean that we should put all SCE releases to a halt until all of these armies have had their share. That's not how it works. AoS releases are not "FC Stormcasts vs AC small armies" and neither is the fanbase. And tbf, it's kinda mean to say to SCE players they don't deserve minis because some other armies doesn't have some. "Army X only gets a foot hero so you only get a foot hero too !". That's not how it should work.
Actually it does. Resources are limited. It's either another wave of Stormcasts or any other army. SC have 4x more minis than some armies. Do we really want to make it 5x?
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8 hours ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:
Tbf SCE don't get even half the attention Space Marines get. Only reason to compare Marines to Stormcasts is because they're heavily armored "good guys" that make it in every starter set.
The SCE range is nowhere near as big as the Marines'... And we are not getting banged on the head over and over again with SCE releases every year unlike what Space Marines get. Yeah Stormcasts get a big wave every beginning of edition but that's pretty much it. Apart from random heroes here and there. SM get multiple kits per year.
And tbf I would like to see new SCE kits. Particularly remakes of the 1st Ed ones with better proportions (no more short thighs and squatting legs), more poses and more head variety.
That's why I still think AoS is better than 40k. It's good to tell about our concerns. GW is listening. The more often we repeat that we don't want 40k SM situation in AoS the more likely we won't.
Although you would like to see some SC remakes won't you agree that there are several other armies (and their fans) that deserve minis much more than another SC wave?
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2 hours ago, PJetski said:
No, more Stormcasts!
Turning Stormcasts into AoS Space Marines would be the biggest disappointment. 40k is so boring when they spam dozens of same looking models just with different names. Hope AoS will be better than that.
Look at GW store. 68 Stormcast related products. That's the same as DoK, Fyreslayers, Idoneth Deepkin and Kharadron Overlords combined. It's just silly.
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7 hours ago, Nezzhil said:
Today is a good day to see the Blacktalon's Thunderstrike model. 🤩
No. More. Stormcasts.
Not until FEC, Ironjawz, Bonesplitterz, Ogors, Spiderfang, DOK, Idoneth and several others get their 2nd waves. Not to mention factions like Kurnothi or Shadow Aelves get their premiere...
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As for Skavens I would like to see more Skryre models. They have the most recent models so why? Exactly that's why. They only need like 2 units and 2 heroes to be a stand alone faction. Other clans on the other hand need like a total remake. The worst case scenario is getting like 1 random unit for every clan which would satisfy nobody and would change very little.
Also Skryre is the most original of all Skaven being the only high tech faction despite Kharadron Overlords. Pestilence is too similar to Nurgle. Eshin is hard to be a separate force. Moulder... well maybe.
But another horde army is not really needed.
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5 hours ago, KingBrodd said:
Could definitely see Tyrion added in Harbingers. A narrative event is a far bigger moment than a character showing up in their Battletome.
Final book being Tyrion showing up would be insane and paves the way for Lumineth Wave 3 (2) simply by adding 2 new units in 4.0.
Heck Id love to see it!!
Tyrion seems to be too big of a character for Harbringers. So far only small generic heroes were shown. I'd rather expect Tyrion to be 500 points worth character, maybe released with another, river wave of Lumineth.
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2 hours ago, Marcvs said:
It is of course a matter of personal preferences and tastes, but I always found Cities of Sigmar to have a very strong theme: hope (at least, in an Order perspective). The very concept of the diverse set of cultures and lineages uniting, although in large part out of convenience and necessity, represented a vision for the "end game" for Order beyond mere survival.
Because of this, they are an important part of what makes AoS different from "40k but high fantasy". Personally, I find the idea of yet another spin on the "zealots" theme extremely boring so I hope it's not the whole picture of what we're getting.
And how is hope represented in minis? It isn't.
You refer to the theme desrcibed in the lore. When you look at the minis themselves however you just see a bunch of unrelated forces. Dwarfs with canons and helicopters, followed by some corsair dark elves with a war hydra and with a pinch of wood elves on deers. I can hardly think of more mismatching batch. I guess some space orkz in CoS wouldn't make much difference in terms of cohesiveness.
The lore might be great as many people review it, yet this hobby is 95% about minis and when I say "theme", I mean style of minis.
You look at Kharadron Overlords and you know straight away it's a techy faction. Idoneth Deepkin? Elves with sea creatures. Sylvaneth? Forces of nature. Maggotkin of Nurgle? Daemons and disease. I look at 5 random CoS models and I can't tell what keeps them together.
A friendly reminder: what today is CoS were actually several distinct armies 8 years ago. Bringing them under one banner was in order to not leaving people o who used to collect these armies without any support .
That's one of the things that changed between WFB and AoS. Strong theme.
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7 minutes ago, JerekKruger said:
Amen! That Blood Thirster is such a disappointment compared to the other three Greater Daemons. Every time I consider Blades of Khorne, I look at it and go "nope".
I was tempted a few times to buy one, yet I consider them to be too cliche. I would like to see something along the lines of The Glottkin, Glutos Orscollion and Katakros. A mortal champion surrounded by his entourage.
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Regarding Cities of Sigmar and non-human miniatures, I would like GW to slowly retire them in AoS and move them to The Old World. They better fit that style and stand out from AoS-borne factions like Fyreslayer, Kharadron Overlords, Sylvaneth or DoK.
All of AoS faction are build around a strong theme and CoS currently have none. I would like Stormcasts to remain the super humans of AoS and for the cities I see the role of zealots/crusaders/inquisition to make them unique.
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Currently, AoS rules seem so much better to me than what 40k had to offer. Only getting rid of double turn would make this game better. I don't want anything more.
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1 minute ago, pnkdth said:
Perhaps they're struggling to find a niche for them outside of CoS/DoK? The latter, especially, already has a lot of the sneaky assassin + death by a thousand cuts of Dark Elves. CoS has the rest with their standing military and monsters. Even the shadow elves for the side games gives off immediate DoK vibes as there isn't much to visually differentiate them. However, if CoS takes a decided focus on the human elements of CoS then another door would open up.
That said, I think we're eventually will see a new elf faction with Malerion in the centre. Hopefully after Chorfs though. 😄
To be honest I feel Dark Elves even when looking at many mortal Slaneesh models. Seekers, Painbringers, Twinsouls...
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- Army Faction: Maggotkin of Nurgle
- Subfaction: Blessed Sons
LEADERS
Lord of Plagues (140)
Harbinger of Decay (140)
Bloab Rotspawned (320)
Orghotts Daemonspew (320)
BATTLELINE
Putrid Blightkings (250)
Putrid Blightkings (250)
Plaguebearers (150)
Rotmire Creed (130)
OTHER
Pusgoyle Blightlords (250)
TOTAL POINTS: 1950/2000
Created with Warhammer Age of Sigmar: The AppOr instead of Maggot lords I could introduce The Glottkin. I'm new to Nurgle. What do you think about the list?
The Rumour Thread
in Age of Sigmar Discussions
Posted · Edited by Aeryenn
You have a point on battletomes to reach high numbers and the more battletomes, the more time it takes to update them all when new edition comes.
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I get the impression that with each Mix Battletome some factions inside that book are neglected. With each additional faction in a book there's greater chance for corner cutting both in terms of rules, content and possible miniature updates.
Malerion was summoned few times in this discussion. Since I am a great fan of Dark Elves I think and would like Malerion to receive his own miniatures and book rather than be an addition to Morathi. Yet If I had to choose whether I want 5 new Dark Elves miniatures combined with DoK or no minis at all, I prefer the former.
It's hard to find balance. In my opinion current state with battletomes is good. Armies feel up to date most of the time. I still think that the future of rules is to bring them online. Maybe in a form of subscription. You pay once a year and have access to all the rules for each faction and unit. This would also make it easier for GW to update rules and points more often.