Thiagoma
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3 minutes ago, Skreech Verminking said:
So mixing back all high elves into (maybe lights elve) a book and dark elves (shadow elves) back together seem to be a great idea
Yup, but we would need battlelines. With the exception of Reavers (no longer sold) High Elves only "BL if" kinds of battleline, just like Stormfiends who are only BL if playing Skryre.
If there is a Release on Skaven we will get a lot of indirect info about High Elves, for instance what will happen to Spire of Dawn models, and what will be made about Battlelines.
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11 minutes ago, michu said:
I don't think sylvaneth counts...
But the problem is the huge amount of Elves! We have like 5 former High Elves, Wanderers and a couple Dark Elves!
We actually need LESS factions lol!
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3 minutes ago, shinros said:
Oh I know, but I don't place much stock in such things. The one bit that made me raise my eyebrow was the devoted of sigmar because if they were selling so well they would of repackaged them already like the dispossessed and wanderers. Shelf space costs money and not using it for something that sells really well is well...silly.
Well a lot of people use Phoenix on mixed order army abd it osnt on round bases yet.
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I think that the issue is thst they dont look elvish enough. They are a whole different thing, so i belive it didnt pull on Aelves fans.
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10 minutes ago, TheWilddog said:
This is my sentiment exactly. I love the move away from a historical/Toliken based IP. The the boardgame and tabletop market is swimming with generic fantasy products. I know in the boardgame market many of the most successful games of the past few years have been those that have pushed more original non-generic fantasy IPs, like Gloomhaven for example. I think there is a big thirst for new IP in the wider market. I think AOS is in a good place to tap into this trend.
I think there is room for both, Gloospite is a good example of a traditional army redone. I for one love the Elven aestethics, and even tho i have a lot of models you can bet i will buy new ones, or even modern version os units i like.
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On the topic of creating the setting, when i decided for my Phoenix Temple army, i went Aqshy, mainly because my paint scheme was warm collors.
Once i was on the middle of the way, i realized i had made grass bases.... ops...
So i created a lore about this plateau on Aqshy where the Ashes of the Phoenix Volcano kept the land fertile and because of the High Ground the realm survived as a bastion against Chaos forces during the Age of Chaos.
It was a lof of fun to try and squish my army into the lore!
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"Not sure if anyone's already talked about it, but we got a little lore tidbit about aelves of Ulgu in the second Inferno! volume. From 'At the sign of the Braven Claw Part 2' it describes aelves who retreated into the shadows and deep within mountains and are called "kuru elgi, or the grey aelves, because of the colours they wear to blend into the mists, and the magic they weave about themselves to hide.""
A quote from the Rumor Thread that looks interesting regarding this conversation. Points a bit into a separation of "high" and "dark" elves in the future. Maybe a new copyright name for both areas? Who knows?
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4 minutes ago, Ironbreaker said:
I've heard rumors that all the battletome lacking Order armies will be bundled into a "Free Cities" Battletome. Personally I really hate this idea as it kinda dilutes the character of whatever armies would be included in it. It also would be too similar to a Grand Alliance Order 2.0 book. It probably won't happen, but there are idiots on the internet pushing for it to happen. Personally, I think the layout of the webstore is more or less the finished look of the AoS factions going forward. I back this up the fact that GW had Warherd and Brayheard in a single army on the community Factions page along with Grots and Troggoths being included together on the page which latter corresponded to the Gloomspite release. As of right now, the three Battletome lacking armies in Order according to the layout are Free Peoples, Aelves, and Dispossessed. There are two possibilities I am seeing with this. Either we will get a combined Aelves battletome featuring abilities for playing specific kinds of Aelves, or they will be split up and distributed into the upcoming armies of light and shadow aelfs. The caution with the latter is that some models could be axed during the transition as we have recently seen with Gitmob Grots in the transition to Gloomspite.
I see Reavers, high warden and seaguard beeing squashed, since they are SoD units and the sprue has mixed skaven pieces mixed up on it, but i would glady accepted if they give us a Battleline unit. Blademasters would be a cool choice imo.
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1 hour ago, Schulzy said:
I hope GW don't end up squatting the rest of the older aelf line. I purchased the 'warriors of the great cities anvilgard' box set in the hope that the rumoured fish elves (at the time) would be expanding on the scourge privateers range, obviously turns out that the fish elves were idoneth deepkin, which is still find bizarre that they weren't somehow meshed with the privateers considering they both have an aquatic theme.
I guess I'll have to wait till GHB2019 to see if they finally decide to give the privateers some allegiance abilities which will at least show they may have some future after all. I am however a little apprehensive as I have no idea what direction GW could go with them, I can't see them being part of malerions coming aelves as they are more aquatic themed than shadow. At the same time though, why would GW bother bundling the privateers into a box set naming them warriors of the great cities and then later squat them, would be one heck of a retcon.
I wish they would loose the restrictions in battlelines for the great cities. You would be restricted to GA alliance only, but use for exemple Phoenix Guard as Battlelines for a Phoenicium army. As it stands, that set of rules is kinda wasted if the purpose was to give smaller factions some viability, considering all they do is give you a small perk and restrict your selection of units.
I would be a happy guy if i could do an army with Order zdraconis and Phoenix temple withou a wonky near useless battleline tax in the middle of it.
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1 hour ago, Ironbreaker said:
Darkling Covens and Dispossessed at least have faction rules unlike the High Elf stuff.
It seen dark elfs were not as shattered as High ones. It is a tad easier for those players to field an army.
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Regarding people commenting on proxys:
I am from Brazil and AoS here just started getting up and running(we now have an official gw representative bringing stuff over). Our small tournaments are all 4fun, people are super chill, TOs are great guys.
In less than an year we went from 8 guys in 750pts matchs to 20 in 1250 pts and growing. It is really great!
Painting isnt required, square bases are ok and if you forget about some rule, you can go back and use it. Sometimes your oponent will give you the heads up about it! We give prizes to the coolest opponent you fought, for example.
That said, proxys are allowed if it make sense. For isntance my "celestar" ballista is a High Elf Bolt Thrower. I can use Sea Guard as Spearman for example. It would be ok, the Tos just ask you to tell your oponents and be on correct base size and it is alright.
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4 hours ago, HollowHills said:
Part of what killed WHFB was people having attachments to armies and models they bought 20 years ago and wanting them to be balanced. Rather than actually buying new kits and following the development of the game.
Ofc it sucks to just have an army be dumped, but the warning signs have been there since 2015. Four years later people have had time to get a new army.
AoS is about deepkin, daughters, stormcast etc not high elves, dark elves and the empire.
WHFB IS DEAD.
This is kind of a pet peeve of mine.
Spire of Dawn was sold as an Age of Sigmar product. As you mention it yourself it is only 3 years old. Yes, it is a rebox of Islands of Blood, but my wife wasnt suposed to know that. I wasnt suposed to know that, actually i didnt!
I started AoS specifically because it wasnt WHFB, was something new and was easier for us to grasp. My models arent suposed to be invalid after 3 years, right? To me it sounds as weired as if the models of any SC were made invalid, because well, it was sold as AoS models! I bought AoS models expecting to play AoS and rulewise they are all over the place.
Dont get me wrong, if Tyrions Army catch my eyes, i will buy it. I bought into DoK as i said. But it will be a great disapointment if my current AoS guys get tossed into the garbage.
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First i would like to thank you for taking the time to read.
Also thank you for trying to help me out on forging an army using the minis i got, even tho that wasnt my intention.
I have a lot of glade guard, reavers and even some spearmen but it all still feel wonky and bloated of stuff i wont really use. When battlelines became a "tax".
My intention was really just vent and see if others are on the same boat/having the same felings as i am (so i wont suffer alone lol), and how do you think GW is gona handle the factions in the future.
My guess:
Wanderers are gona get 2/3 kits and a book. Maybe a brand new hero on foot too.
"Dark" Elves: According to the folks on another thread, the BL book Brazen Claw talks about Uglu Elves and Mistweavers. I belive Malerion portion of the Elves is gona "adopt" the remaining miniatures.
"High" Elves: Same but with Tyrion Elves. What i wonder is rules about Battlelines. Wonder if we are ever going to have Phoenix Guard, Dragon Blades and Swordmasters as BL on a "Light Elves" army or if they are gona roll a new "battleline" unit for this Aelvish aliance.
What still bothers me tho is the huge amount of plastics into all this factions not beeing used on any major army... and the fact that we are still on square bases while wanderers were moved to rounds, just as Dispossesed for example.
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To give this a little context:
I started playing AoS a couple of years back with a Clan Pestilens SC. I didnt know much about the game and i always been more of a painter than a collector. When the hollydays came, my wife gifted me a Spire of Dawn set. By that time i had almost finished payinting my SC (it took a while, i am a really slow painter), and the new rat boys gave me joy, but that was when i realized the Skaven were thorn all over the place and i couldnt really group my guys into an army. That was an ice cold bucket for me, and made me quit for a while.
Months later, i decided to paint something and got to those High Elf guys, and behold! there was a battlaion that would let me group then up! So i decided to go for a SwiftHawk army, since now i could use the Eldritch council budies and allies! A phoenix, a Dragon! The Sky was the limit! So i did what most players do : Bought a full collection of High Elf units. Really, i got almost 6k points of High Elf....
Then came the GHB and took my battalion away. The community around me is pretty small, and gather up in events to play, and the rule is simple : It is valid if on the GHB.
I got Screwed, and kept thinking "Ok, what can i do?" Order Armies need Order Battlelines and none of the current models fit the bill other than Reavers, that i really dislike. Phoenix Temple and Order Draconis are kinda competitive but lack variety (specially with the new ally restriction).
But to get to my point: When i got Spire of Dawn, i was expecting to be able to field my toy soldiers in a reasonable way, and years later those High Elf models havent event got repacked in round bases, are almost never mentioned in the lore (Hell, GW made an article Dragons of the Realm and didnt mention Order DRACONIS) and are still separated in a way that i have no idea of how will gw put then togheter. Absolute silence even in the rumors department.
But what are you talking about, you might ask! We got DoK and Idoneth! 2 Elvish armies! Well... Idoneth are their own thing. They barely ressemble Elves and got a completly new design. DoK are cool, and i bought then but i am not really passionated about then.
The lore mentions Tyrion and Malerion Elves and they also apears to be their own thing. With some luck High Elves will be added to Tyrion s faction, and Dark Elves to Maleryon s but who knows?
Wanderers are playable but lack big units. Really hope they get some love. A DoK release would make those guys shine!
Well that was it. If you had the time to read, i would love to hear your toughts.
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While i hope disspossesed gets some love, i wouldnt get my hopes up too much. Morathi has a dead Elf on her base and so far... nothing.
Crossing fingers tho!
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55 minutes ago, Lowki said:
Yeah for sure. Missed the other two, nice catch.
And yes I agree this is a good reason to expect a dispossed Battletome sooner or later.
Given the current strategy GW seem to follow, I guess few things can happen with factions that currently have no battletome. Either they are removed, moved into legends, merged with one or more other factions into a new one, or upgraded and get a proper battletome. With so many references to them in recently released models, I think chances are very small them to be removed, so I would think they will get their own BT, if not merged (?? Not sure what to think if that would happen)
Was there any faction removed? (after Bret and TK i mean)
I am really hoping for a BT for dispossesed! Grudge dwarves are cool dwarves.
It also makes me wonder about my near 6k of High Elves (from all the current factions combined). We are in a weired spot, some of our plastics are exclusive from spire of dawn set.
We are gonna have new Aelves, but wonder how they are gona fit with current ones (if at all) or if we are getting our own BT. We are currently one of the few factions still packed as WHFB with square bases...
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23 minutes ago, Veillotron said:
I'm not sure if this has already been mentioned before/I've been living under a rock, but on GW's website the Aelves have all been grouped under one heading - a sign of a new BoC/LoN-type battletome to come?
It is goingon for a few weeks. Gives me hope thati will soon be able to field my high elfs in a coherent way...
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I wouldnt mind the raise if they actually made adjustments for overpriced units such as Witch Elves And Fyreslayers.
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So, if Skavens are getting a BT, now only a handfull of armies will be without one.
I supose Dispossesed, Ogors, Aelfs, Free Peoples and Greenkins?
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2 minutes ago, Ragnar Alpaca said:
Anyone have ideas yet to how to make those fanatics and squig hoppers more stable?
Put some weight under the base.
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2 hours ago, Kyriakin said:
For those who seem to hate on anything old (i.e. WHFB-era), this release is an example of how you can use sculpting and design advancements to make something awesome and up-to-date out of concepts that mostly all go way back to the 1990's, and beyond.
That's not to say the completely new can't be great too, but GW has shown it can appeal to traditional fantasy fans with some releases and those with a preference for "out there" fantasy with other releases.
I completly agree and have beeing saying this for a long time. I Started playing on AoS and bought my way into 5400 pts of High Elves, the great majority bought from GW itself.
I bought DoK but isnt exactly my thing, i dislike Idoneth models. I will probably buy the next release, but what i really want is a way to place my 5400 on the table in a way that makes sense. I dream about a BT like BoC , LoN and such.
Would be even better if they went all the way like they did goblins right now, but i would be happy just getting rid of the micro factions.
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I belive GW will publish a ton of BTs to update old factions an regroup then. I dont think the rearrangements on the store were a coincidence.
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I wonder if Skirmish will be playable for other factions without a SC box.
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8 hours ago, Furuzzolo said:
Let me disagree. I invite you to the Dispossessed page, Order.
We have an healty debate, down there, on the matter 🤗
8 hours ago, Ragnar Alpaca said:Aye that’s true, but like @Furuzzolo said, we’ve had this debated a lot in the Dispossessed discussion. Basically to sum it up, new cavalry, and maybe an avatar of an ancestor god.
8 hours ago, Jator said:IIRC, there were rumours of a stone golem before the army book was released. A model like that would be enough for a Dispossesed battletome, since as others have pointed out, the aesthetic doesn't look out of place in AoS (unlike other old armies).
It is indeed the kind of models i would expect for a Dispossessed revamp!
As a player from an old armie (High Elves) myself, it would be great to see this classic Dwarf range back into the tables.
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