Chikout
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6 minutes ago, Rollcage said:
I'd say fyreslayers and ogors are for sure on chopping block.
1st edition armies
Stormcast - soon to get a redesign/rerelease of original models
Seraphon - second wave already
Sylvaneth - second wave already
Ironjawz - second wave already
flesh eater courts - second wave already
everchosen - getting second wave now
pestilence skaven - rolled into skaven/squatFyreslayers - no second wave
Beastclaw raiders - rolled into mawtribes, no second waveI think we can calm down about Whitefang's "weird" and "challenge to logic" comments referencing the cutting of ranges.
Cutting poorly performing ranges is scummy and sad but in the wonderful world of hyper capitalism that we all live in, it's not remotely weird or illogical.
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22 minutes ago, Whitefang said:
Oh there is going to be plenty.
Something completely a challenge to logic.
In a this news spawned 50 pages of angry comments kind of way, or a popcorn flavoured protein drink kind of way?
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Had to share this amazing video.
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2 minutes ago, Ragest said:
Yeah I know, I'm ready for the disappointment today
I love lore posts so long as they aren't tongue in cheek. I wish they did more of them.
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7 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
For me they key would be if they allow the minis to be used in AoS or they don't anymore. I think it is a game sustained by AoS collectors/ players.
I'm not sure. It wouldn't surprise me if it's actually painters that sustain it. As for it's popularity, I've been trying to find a box of Skittershank's clawpack or a rivals of Nethermaze box but I can't find either anywhere. Old warbands in general are extremely difficult to get hold of, so they must have sold pretty well.
One of the earlier boxes said over 200,000 copies sold which was presumably all the core boxes added together, but it's still the only time I've ever seen a GW product brag about sales numbers.
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24 minutes ago, Lord Kroak said:
Absolutely. All of my AoS games take place in the Old World because I deeply dislike the AoS lore.
I'm the exact opposite. I'd be much more interested in the rank and flank game if it was set in the mortal realms.
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That's all completely fake. The Brettonian launch box sold out instantly worldwide while the Tomb Kings one hung around gor a while in America. They're in the process of bringing back a whole bunch of resin minis for the old world. The amount of resin GW makes is going up not down.
Chaos Daurdin were confirmed by both the Whitefangs who both have proven track records.
I'm sure people who write something like this job get a kick out of seeing how far it can spread.
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Just now, Still-young said:
Almost certainly 20.
Especially since we've seen 13 minis already and I can't notice a common bit between them. Unless they now come in units of 13?!!?
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4 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:
Those are staggeringly good looking minis. I'm pretty worried about getting hold of the box now.
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34 minutes ago, Nuriel said:
No faction is safe. If GW will be making money of selling new stormcats then they will se that culling part of their range every five or six years is profitable. If they can sell you miniatures, don't let you use them in competitive scene and you or other people will be still buying your product ....then why not repeat the process?
Releasing new Lumineth temple? Discontinue one of the old ones.Releasing new Duardins? Make Fyreslayers a legacy army.
Making Vampire Counts new core TOW faction? Abandon using those minis in AoS.
If they make a profit from doing so, they will totally do it.
I understand why you would write this but I don't think the Sacrosanct are indicative of a new change in strategy.
I think there's a combination of factors that lead to Sacrosanct going away.
1- the odd unit sizes in the soul wars box. None of the Stormcast units in the box had regular unit sizes. This means that as your collection grows there are always spare minis that are effectively useless unless you play open play.
2- The rules Sacrosanct came out of the gate hot. Unfortunately in second edition GW tended to wield the nerd hammer a bit too hard and Sacrosanct never recovered.
3- The magazine. With minis readily available at a much lower price the magazine, it would be stupid to pay full price for a box set when they could get them much cheaper elsewhere . I wonder if that's why they're changing to a combat patrol format this time.
4- The design change. Models that came out just before the change were always going to be affected the worst. If you choosing between Castigators and Vigilors who also have robes, who's choosing the old kit?
It possible that a combination of situations like this could happen again but it's not likely.
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1 minute ago, Nuriel said:
It's no use. I think that the only way to "save" BoC is to normalize playing Legends and homebrew Legacy battletomes.
I don't think bringing them back is possible. One thing that might be possible is extending the match play deadline to the end of the edition.
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@SG Warhound earlier mentioned there's a new warlock galvaneer with warpvolt obliterators. I think the leaked mini is that. Also is it push fit? That would confirm more models in the box than we saw in the trailer.
Edit Great minds and all that.
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8 minutes ago, Garrac said:
OH MY GOD YES-YES I WAS BORN FOR THIS
NEW WEAPON TEAMS BABYYYYYYYYYYYYYY IM SOOOOO BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK
But not a team anymore? It's possible there's a second sprue but I only see one Skaven here.
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7 minutes ago, Sception said:
I wouldn't call stormcast safe, not until GW demonstrate an ability to show some restraint when it comes to stormcast releases. Every edition so far has seen an entire new factions worth of entirely new stormcast models on release, plus additional stormcast releases down the line, leading to either olderstuff being obsoleted by new versions of essentially the same units every few years, when old stuff isn't just obsoleted the result is painful bloat that makes army building a chore, and now we've seen outright culling of what are in the game-wide sense very recent models in order to combat that bloat.
IF GW starts cutting back on new stormcast stuff then this could turn around, but we see no sign of that so far, so there's every chance that the 3rd edition stormcast stuff could get kicked to legends to make room for an entire army's worth of brand new 5th edition stormcast units a few short years from now, with the new stormcast they're about to release for 4e dropped a few years after that.
They have cut back since first edition. They've also stopped doing doing unique scrolls for limited edition sculpts. This purge has cut 36 warscrolls. It could be even more if they combine some things; there are currently 6 warscrolls from the Dracoth kit.
I think we'll see a Dracoth and vanguard resculpt but I don't think we'll get anymore unreplaced drops until at least 7th edition.
Nothing is safe forever, but if a kit lasts ten years or more, I think that's a long enough life to be considered safe to collect.
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33 minutes ago, 01rtb01 said:
Colin Dixon? When did he pass?! Gutted
genuinely didn't know about that. The guy is a legend and I'm sad for his friends and family.
He passed away about 4 months ago.
https://medium.com/@eric.seri/colin-dixon-in-memory-of-a-great-sculptor-artist-de7f85f0ffc8
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1 hour ago, GhostShark said:
what if faction A only sells more than faction B because you put all your resources into it? A decade solid of promotion, new releases, novels, video games, animation and 4 starter boxes.
I don't think people realize that Space Marines and SCE are popular because GW focused on them to the near exclusion of everything else for years (and for decades in the case of Marines). They could also do this with other factions if they wanted to. Not every faction would gain the same benefit from a because of promotion, but nearly every faction would see real and likely permanent growth. That's how this works. Wouldn't it be nice to have MULTIPLE factions that sell that well? You know, to make more money?This isn't true in the case of Stormcast though. GW certainly put out too much stuff for Stormcast in first edition but since second edition they've been getting about 10% of releases which isn't excessive for a lead product. In second edition Gloomspite, Nighthaunt, Slaanesh, Lumineth, Soulblight and Slaves to darkness got more kits than Stormcast. In third Slaves to darkness and Orruk warclans will end up with more releases than Stormcast. Even in black library there have been more Duardin focused books than Stormcast ones in 3rd edition.
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2 minutes ago, woolf said:
For the coming 3yrs everything in AoS should be safe, they would want to rip the bandaid and not dripfeed discontinuation as ppl react so strong to it. Beyond that horizon who knows... Also agree Underworlds/Warcry migth go away, eg replaced by Spearhead format which is probably a better starting point for new players as much closer to the main game
It is a possibility but I really hope Warcry doesn’t go away. I listed all those games I played at the top but Warcry is comfortably my favourite.
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17 minutes ago, Tonhel said:
Great post!
I am a bit suprised that you think Underworlds and warcry are in danger. I think it adds more customers to GW, even when they are not interested in AoS main.
Ofcourse they could remove all AoS sidegames and focus all their resources on AoS main. Maybe bringing back TOW has an impact on the resources. It seems unlikely as it are two seperate studios, but who knows.
I don't think the game of warcry itself is in danger. I think they might change the focus more towards adding units that can also be easily used in mainline AoS. That's means that any Warcry warbands which don't fit that criteria could end up getting cut from the main game
As for Underworlds. They said that lots of warbands are only going to get digital rules next edition even while they are on sale so they too will be cut from the main game.
Also if you look on the UK GW site there are currently 4 underworlds box sets available. It's possible that they just made loads of them but it doesn't look like the game is selling that well.
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Given the recent moves by GW, there’s obviously been some consternation about the future of certain factions. I thought I do a post explaining what I think the likelyhood each faction and sub faction has of staying around long term.
First of all a couple of caveats. I’ve been in the hobby for more than 30 years and every GW game I’ve played has had support completely dropped for it at some point. The only game that has hung around the entire time is 40k, which ironically enough is one of the few GW games I don’t play. Warhammer fantasy, BFG, Space Hulk, Necromunda, Inquisitor, Warmaster, Mordheim, Bloodbowl, Aeronautica Imperialis, and my first warhammer game epic (or space marine as it was known then) have all been dropped by GW at some point. There’s no guarantee they won’t do the same for AoS so nothing is 100% safe.
Secondly, this is just speculation based on my previous experiences.m
Anyway let’s get started.
Underworlds- IN DANGER . I’m honestly surprised the game has lasted as long as it has. I think GW will separate it from AoS. In 4th edition new warbands will get digital warscrolls only . They will never appear in books. Warbands will be kept in stock for two or so years then disappear. There’s a risk the whole game will get canceled but I hope the scale it back to 4 warbands a year before they do that.
Warcry - AT RISK I think Warcry will move to a killteam model where new warbands with their use in AoS more directly in mind like the Gorgers. Any warband that doesn’t fit that mold is in danger of being dropped.
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Lumineth. - VERY SAFE. All new miniatures. The range isn’t too bloated and Aelves are always popular.
Idoneth Deepkin - VERY SAFE . Even tough there hasn’t been much support for them, they are fairly popular with players and painters. I expect to see them get an update in 4th.
Daughters of Khaine. FAIRLY SAFE. Morathi is one of the most popular characters in the setting. There are however some kits that a bit old which could get dropped or resculpted in the future especially the warlocks.
Kharadron Overlords. SAFE. A new range of kits that are fairly popular. A small risk of the book being souped with other Duardin.
Fyreslayers AT RISK. Comfortably the least popular new faction. The sculpts of the core troops are disliked by many. They’ve hit on a much more popular design with the flameseekers but that might be too late. I’m hoping for new kits but if you aren’t already invested I’d hold off until we see the 4th edition book.
Seraphon - SAFE A very popular army but the older kits are at risk especially the temple guard. Hoping for a new sculpt for them.
Cities of Sigmar- Humans- VERY SAFE except the steam tank. Duardins and Aelves IN DANGER. I’d hold off buying any of those until you see the new book.
Sylvaneth - SAFE. Another very popular army. Dryads may get a new sculpt
Stormcast. 3rd edition or later -SAFE. 1st edition models - AT RISK. I think that Stormcast has been the grand experiment of AoS. They’ve found a design that is better liked than before. I think they’ll stick with the new design for quite a while. Once they decided to change the design the models release just before that change were always going to be the worst off.
Chaos
Slaves to Darkness - SAFE but some older models IN DANGER I’m amazed the manticore and Soul grinder didn’t get cut already.
Khorne- SAFE but a lot of models AT RISK. Quite a large portion of the range is on the older side and suffers from similar early AoS problems as the Stormcast.
Nurgle- SAFE but we may see some new plague bearers soon.
Tzeentch - SAFE. Mostly newish good looking kits.
Slaanesh - SAFE - A mostly resculpted range. Some of the older daemon models may get redone.
Skaven - SAFE but turn a big update often means things get dropped.
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Soulblight - SAFE but there are still a lot of older kits which are AT RISK
Flesh Eater Courts SAFE but the older plastics are AT RISK. They may be changed or dropped especially the alternative hero builds of the old kits
Nighthaunt - VERY SAFE a very popular army with a well liked aesthetic. Only the Hexwraiths are AT RISK.
Ossiarch Bonereapers - FAIRLY SAFE a somewhat controversial faction, it may have lost players to Tomb Kings but mostly new kits.
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Gloomspite Gits Moonclan, Squigs and Troggoths- VERY SAFE. Spiderfang IN DANGER. One of the most popular factions in the game but the Spiderfang have been completely ignored so far. The grots may get a resculpt.
Sons of Behemat - VERY SAFE. The mancrusher kit may be redone.
Ogor Matribes - IN DANGER After Skaven they have the most legacy miniatures and have received limited support in AoS. Until we get a credible leak from the Whitefangs or official word from GW on a big 4th edition update, I’d avoid investing in them if you aren’t already.
Orruk Warclans - SAFE After the culling there’s room for the faction to grow.
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Hot take I know but I think people are reading too much into this.
We know that recently GW have started building shields into the save characteristic. Vindinctors have a save of 3+ and Vanquishors (the ones with the big swords and no shields) have a save of 4+ We know that the Stormcast book has too much bloat. We also know that rules are written after miniatures are made.
I can easily imagine a scenario where designers thought "ok it's a Stormcast so the save is 4+ but there's a shield so we bump it to 3+. Oh look the designer added an option of dual hammers. We could make a separate warscroll but the mandate from management is less bloat so let's just make it a cosmetic thing. "
The next day it's time to do the Fyreslayers.
"When management said less bloat, I'm not sure this is what they meant. Is there any way we can make the Vulkite kit into more warscrolls?"
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11 minutes ago, Nezzhil said:
They tried digital books on their mainline before and the piracy was atrociuous
I'm very curious if the sales are that much better than before. There's still a lot of piracy and there's sites like wahapedia that have every single rule in a well presented searchable format.
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2 hours ago, Garrac said:
Oops that's what you get for playing halo and posting at the same time.
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1 hour ago, Garrac said:
Ok, so, trying to guess the rat side of the starter box, correct me anyone if I'm wrong. The box will have:
-Clawlord on rat beast with halberd and machinegun
-Grey seer on foot
-40 clanrats (with 2 command groups), box ala termagant like
-3 Jezzails
-2 Rat Ogres
-Machinegun artillery thing
My biggest wish for the Skaven side is that it's not 40 clanrats. 20 clanrats and 10 stormvermin or 10 skyre acolytes would be much preferable.
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I'm really curious about the new Skaven sculpts. As has been said that Grey seer is already great and the clanrats are solid sculpts if a little lacking in poses. I'm not sure how much they can change.
genuinely didn't know about that. The guy is a legend and I'm sad for his friends and family.
The Rumour Thread
in Age of Sigmar Discussions
Posted · Edited by Chikout
A 4 year cycle really does feel like the best fix to me. In the future they could have 4 main games; 4Ok, AoS, Old World and Horus Heresy and 4 side games; Warcry, Killteam, Necromunda and Bloodbowl. Put all of those on a 4 year cycle and they still have 2 major releases per year. Then they also have underworlds, middle earth, Legions Imperialis and warhammer quest that they can put out on an irregular schedule.