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12 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

I think it is Mandrakes time, then book 6 comes the week after or the following. Maybe Warcry is the next week's preorder.

They done Warcry and Kill team together before. I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened again.

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16 minutes ago, Sarouan said:

You never played old FB RPG books, didn't you. Damn were they grim, dark, brutal and merciless. Mordheim invented nothing, it was just the natural continuation of what already existed before.

Have you read them recently? They are a lot less grim than I remember them being as a teenager. 

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12 minutes ago, GloomkingWortwazi said:

Unless I am seriously misgiven, my understanding was while Cursed City sold well because of the minis (and suffered costing, planning and logistics issues that mad it dip into the red) it's actual gameplay was received mostly positive among GW enthusiasts but poorly with general board and tabletop gamers, missing a chunk of those sales that BSF was able to capture successfully (and part of the transitional market the product is intended to capture).
It was considered by GW to be a popular line for sales, a poorly performing line for finance and an unsuccessful product for development.

Either way, I liked it and am (clearly) hopeful for more Warhammer Quest.
 

Yeah. There were a couple of homebrew fixes that improved things quite a bit, but it's definitely true that the gameplay was decent rather amazing. Here are some homebrew rules which enhance the experience considerably. 

https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2642992/first-impressions-fixes-and-additional-content

 

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1 hour ago, Dragon-knight77 said:

Warhammer quest? no there was Valrak rumors of a space hulk remake but that went full silent for so long

When Warcry does move I do hope it nowhere located in Aqshy or Ghyran but rather in anywhere else where we can feel the Edition big event; the Vermindoom can be felt everywhere. With the whole Blight city bursting into reality they could do a sorta spiritual successor to Mordheim and have the season be set in a devastated Free city maybe even gave multiple CoS warbands go up against Skaven, Slaanesh & other? like look below the artwork and tell me that you can picture that with how the edition going go off

as for the Talaxis it strange that there no massive finale to the Gnarlwood saga in Warcry, no battle inside the actual Eye of Chotec, No Arno Talaxis return as a Ghoul or Chaos or just a straight up CoS warband, no revelation of it crash nothing. We end it with Bone doggos fighting a sprite revenant with weeds. I know that sorta happen with the Varanspire but it just stick out more when you have two specialist game explore the jungle and then does nothing especially when Hunter v Hunted was building up to the rumbling and WyrdHollow was talking about the Realmshaper going nuclear. Maybe the Beastgrave getting nuked spoiled my expectation for Specialist game finales

There's still another year of this edition of warcry to go. They could do another year based on the interior of the eye of Chotec. We also don't know what the narrative of the last two sets will be. I'm very curious about the future of Warcry. It is comfortably my favourite GW game ever and I've played almost all of them. I really don't want them to change the core rules at all but there's plenty they could do on the narrative side.

A year of the game set in a ruined city of Sigmar could be very cool.

As for Warhammer Quest, Cursed City upset quite a few people, but the reason it did so was because it was a massive hit. GW would be foolish not to try again.  Skaven are the perfect antagonists for a Warhammer Quest game. It could be an inverse of Silver Tower with small elite units from other Chaos factions joining a mostly Skaven force.

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3 minutes ago, Nezzhil said:

If I win the priority and let my rival to have a double turn then he will score less

Unfortunately it says you only give up the battle tactic if you "choose" to take the double. No Skaven shenanigans here. 

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5 minutes ago, Clan's Cynic said:

Priority Roll article for 4.0. Nothing new here, just more marketing talk and another reiteration that it'll stop you selecting Battle Tactics if you take it. Also a tease that list building/composition has changed somehow, but that'll be in another article. 

Isn't this the first time they've said that outright?

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I'm exasperated by how much everyone is getting exasperated! Firstly I think there's a misunderstanding of what modular means. 

Imagine a 3x4 piece modular gaming board. It's not infinitely flexible. The corner pieces still need to go in the corner. The pieces still need to line with each other. You can leave the centre pieces out and build a 2x2 board, but you can't leave off one of the corner pieces. 

So in the AoS example you can play with just the core rules but that model is essential for every other version of the game and every subsequent module has to refer back to the core. You can play with just the core rules and commands, presumably coming from your general or something but you can't add the command models module unless you already have the comnand module. 

There's a weird problem in Warhammer. People largely treat the rules as sacronscant, but will happily carve expensive models into pieces. I've always found this weird. There have been lots of complaints about blizzard in the most recent ghb but few events leave the spell out. Comp is a dirty word in the community. 

GW have tried numerous times to tell players to do what they want with their rules but there's still a blind insistence to follow the full rules of a new GHB. I think gw is emphasising modularity in order to try and break that habit. 

Why does everyone just use the new GHB in every event? It would be a bit like the Halo team having just one playlist that everyone has to play for the next year. Creating a system that encourages player choice is a good thing even if most  people just end up  playing the most popular mode. 

The idea is that a new GHB isn't just an update to how the game plays but includes optional methods of play that can be added to the game or substituted for existing parts of the game. A GHB could introduce a new magic module that can be used instead of the previous one but doesn't replace it. 

How is this good for us? We'll have to see how it turns out in practice but in theory it lets them be more experimental with seasonal rules. They can add new modules that experiment with ways to play without forcing players to use them. I really hope TOs don't just blindly use everything in the next edition. 

 

 

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The fact that path to glory stops at 5 suddenly makes it much more appealing. I really hope battle tactics have had a complete rethink. They need to be much harder to achieve and require more interaction with the opponents army. 

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If AoS to lose one thing in 4th edition, I'd be most comfortable with saying goodbye to endless spells. They can be cool thematically but I wouldn't call any of the models amazing. 

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39 minutes ago, Luperci said:

Having 1:1 refreshes of stuff forever is kinda lame imo, it's a shame to lose models from an army though. I guess I'm different to many here as I never was into whfb when it was around so I don't have much nostalgia for older kits. It would be nice if GW just declared their intentions for stuff like this, it's not like people will stop buying these kits if they announce they're going oop. We've seen before that the fomo will cause the remaining stock to sell out really fast

I don't mean 1:1 necessarily. I'd be perfectly happy to see beasts of chaos get a Lumineth or cities style update. I just don't want to see something dropped with no replacement at all. 

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My philosophy about the old models is simple.  All models should stay until there is an update or refresh available. Soup is ok but cutting elements from a range or a whole faction is not acceptable at this stage. Spiderfang should stay, bonesplittas should stay etc. 

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2 hours ago, Whitefang back me up said:

What if I told you that Endless Spells… are free? Or that all weapons choices have been rolled into one across warscrolls? 

Thank you for sharing but this is meaningless without context.  Maybe all endless spells are rubbish now, or wizards points will go up to reflect their ability to cast endless spells, or each army will only be able to choose one, or one of the modular rules packs will add points later.
As for weapon choices it makes sense with no weapon ranges in melee. (Incidentally what about long range weapons?) There is sometimes minimal differences between weapons. This is one hits on threes and wounds on fours but the other one does the opposite. Combining them both doesn’t make a massive difference to the result of combatbut would save a lot of time in the game. When there is a bigger difference will we be having more warscrolls like the Kurnoth hunters?

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11 minutes ago, Tonhel said:

Same here. I currently don't see the point of renaming it.

It looks like it will be a complete different game for the better or the worse. 

It's a much more logical name. If I had 20 wounds, I'd be in pretty bad shape. 

Think of a sentence like this. 'If this unit has two wounds, half it's move' is that wounds remaining or wounds caused? This is a perfect example of something that will help to makes rules easier to understand and simpler to write. 

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1 hour ago, Gaz Taylor said:

I think they will follow the 40K 10th edition build up and we will see something. With them showing off the game for people to play in May, we should be getting bits of rules over April as well as faction focuses.

If we compare to 40k we run into a slight problem. 40k was annoounced on March 23 and went on pre-order on June 3rd. They had 58 articles in 51 weekdays. AoS was announced on March 21st and is rumoured to go on pre-order on June 22nd. That means 67 week days. I doubt we'll get that many more articles than 40k got. The full contents reveal will probably be on May 16th instead of April 29th for 40k so about the same time between box reveal and launch. 

All that means that there will probably be a couple of quietish weeks to start with. 

As for minis GW showed off 6 minis before the full Leviathan reveal. Next Monday is April 1st so I doubt we'll see a mini then unless they want to do some kind of Skaven joke. 

6 new miniatures Mondays from the 8th would take us up to the box reveal week so I wouldn't be surprised if we saw our first mini on April 8th

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8 minutes ago, Jetlife said:

As much as we are expecting the game to change, I still question how significant it will be. Matthew Rose who has been the lead of AOS only got the position in the end of 2021, meaning he didn’t have much to do with third edition.

Since he’s taken over and stepped out into the spotlight, I feel like the game has been at its best. He’s involved with every meta watch article  and the game has drastically improved upon changing rules with the battlescrolls. Is the game perfect no, but I genuinely feel he is pushing to make it better.

This will be his first crack at a new edition and so I am excited to see what he does with it. I believe we have already seen a lot of the changes they speak upon in the videos. Making things more elegant and simple. We’ve seen this in the most recent battlescroll with simplified version of bodyguard rule and through the last 18 months we’ve seen tweaks to the wording and language of several rules.

Let Matt Rose cook!! 

Yeah. This will a very interesting edition. The core rules for third edition and the first few battletomes were all written with Jarvis as the lead. My worry is that I'm not sure how creative Matt is. We could end up with a well balanced game that lacks an exciting hook. 

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7 minutes ago, Neverchosen said:

Yeah I think that we (as a community) massively under appreciate the lead times that GW needs to develop these big scale releases. 

When 40k 9th came out they did an interview with Jes Goodwin. He said they started concept work for the box 5 years earlier. Most sculptors said they completed their work two years before release. All of these things need planning meetings before the creative work can start. So that's 5-6 years to make a new box set and 2-3 years for a big update. 

If we look at the timescale it's reasonable to assume that right now the concept artists are working on 5th edition, the miniature designers are working on 2026 products, and the rules team are working on 2025 battletomes. 

This creates a problem for them though. The community response to product A often happens after project B and C have already been completed. The reaction to Cities of Sigmar's lack of Duardin and Aelves happened after design work for the book and even the new underworlds warband was completed. If we get a second wave this edition it will probably be human only. 

The decision about BoC's future would have been made at least a year ago. If there's a big negative reaction  that surprises GW, there won't be a response for two or three years. 

I'm pretty nervous about BoC's future. It think it would be a monumentally stupid decision to drop the AoS range but I think they've already taken the wrong approach. They should had made movement trays with round slots and encouraged players to use their collection in both games. By enforcing a division between the games they are encouraging the console wars nonsense that has plagued this community for years. 

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7 minutes ago, Jagged Red Lines said:

Was dominion a limited run that they massively over produced? Or was it an ongoing product that they continued to make throughout the edition?

Perhaps they could be moving to the latter model for Ruination, particularly as it seems to also fulfill a dual role as a starter box for spearhead.

It was the former. Their strategy is to make a big launch box for the experienced players, and then switch to three smaller boxes to entice new players. The largest box starter box contains scenery. They’ve done this for 40k 8-10th editions. With AoS third edition was the first time they sold a box with plastic scenery. 
I wonder if the smart move would be to scrap the larger starter box and make the launch box an ongoing product with a much smaller initial print run, then intrudce the two smaller boxes later on. 

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2 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

Ruination mini or Liberator today? Yay or nay?

Neither. We're getting a lore article and a rules article this week. At least that what the Sunday preview said. 

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18 minutes ago, Jagged Red Lines said:

No catastrophe for buyers. Its everywhere, no panic buying, can't be scalped, and is an affordable start to either army.

I'd say that was pretty preferable to a situation where the starter box is only available from retail for 24 hours and thereafter can only be bought from ebay for double the price. 

 

Yeah I don’t get the attitude about Dominion. Unfortunately the console wars attitude has spread to everything these days. I bought cursed city and a bunch of broken realms stuff. I tend to budget pretty strictly. I decided to skip the launch box as it would have exceeded my budget. But then it stayed in stock and then went on sale. I was able to pick up the box for a reasonable price (Japanese third party retailers never offer discounts). This is the ideal situation for a launch box. Enough stock for everyone who wants one to get, and a reduce price later for those who have limited funds. I wish every launch box was like this. 
I definitely worried that there be very limited stock this time around. The starter box will be my major purchase for this year. I hope there’s enough stock for me to get a copy.

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1 hour ago, The Lost Sigmarite said:

I don’t like this. TOW was supposed to be the specialist game to the mainstream fantasy game that is AoS, which means being more niche… Now it’s overtaken 40k as the most played game at Lenton. I do hope this is a fashion effect because if TOW continues to top AoS in the long term that means less ressources allocated for our AoS minis. 

Edit : I'm not being spiteful towards people who have fun playing TOW, just questionning what it means for AoS.

Think about the niche that the old world appeals to. Long term gw employees fit that niche perfectly. Also the game is just a couple of months old, with the longest pre launch build up of any GW game ever. We should expect the old world to be a popular product. The question for GW is whether it has legs. Will it still be popular a year from now or will they run into the same problem they had last time? Will players stop buying new minis again once they've built an army? 

In any case the old world is being made by the specialist studio not the main studio. Different rules writers, artists, painters, and sculptors. In the next couple of years it may affect the other specialist games products. We won't be seeing Mordheim or BFG for a while and support for middle earth has already dropped off a cliff. The worst development is that the special studio becomes a two game studio and only makes products for the old world and Horus heresy and gives up the other games, but even that isn't likely. 

 

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27 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:

Different people, different tastes. I also prefer the closer-to-normal mortals approach, but I understand not everyone has the same taste. Also, add Allarielle (WHFB) to that list of the top 10 worst minis.

I think you mean Ariel. I’d blocked her out of my memory. She might actually win most disappointing. Especially going from this art. 

to this mini.

To get back to rumors. I really hope we get a 4th edition article tomorrow. I don’t think he should wait too long before they start drip feeding concrete info. You can already see the community going a bit crazy with speculation, especially on Reddit. 

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16 minutes ago, Ragest said:

The want to break the stock record of dominion adding scenery into the starter box or what.

 

To answer your question slightly seriously. They’ve been doing the three tiers of starter for a while now. I wonder if they found that the scenery one sold best. I would also expect them  to make fewer boxes this time around. It wouldn’t surprise me if this sells out far quicker than Dominion but doesn’t get a mention in the financial report as it actually sells  fewer copies. 

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30 minutes ago, Sarges said:

GW, please.
 

I'm genuinely surprised anybody likes these. If I was making a personal top ten of worst gw sculpts these guys would be in there with the razorgor, old Nagash  and the current bullgors (who definitely win most disappointing as I love monitaurs as a concept). 

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2 minutes ago, Garrac said:

New piece of art dropped. That rat with stick looks... Diferent. Looks like a new master moulders to me.

I tweaked the contrast a bit to make it clearer. 

Those two steelhelms are in a spot of bother. That does look like a new Skaven character. Are we still worried about 4th edition art? Both these pieces are great. 

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13 minutes ago, AquaRegis said:

Abraxia is a decent model, but it's honestly kind of generic, and with a helmeted head could honestly just be any old Chaos Lord on a big lizard. 

Imo they should of just gone for a fully mutated Dragon Like Gaulruch from WHFB, with insane mutations, wings and a proper name. The Lizard mount thing STD have going on is alright, but pretty generic and not exciting. Compare that to some of the insane stuff in the Tamukhan book or the Horrific monstrosities in WHFB and 40k art and it's kind of lame. 

I don't know why GW are moving away from the more mutated, cosmic and body horror aspects of Chaos, but I wish some of it would come back.

 

She's an elite varanguard who themselves are elites who haven't given themselves to any particular god. The body horror, cosmic mutated stuff is more associated with the particular gods. Check out the recent Tzeentch Underworlds warband as an example or any nurgle model ever. 

Also when it comes to Abraxia check out her leg armour and compare it to the other Varanguard. It's definitely more feminine. I also  agree about the breastplate and the face.