The Lost Sigmarite

WE vs BM is a classic fantasy matchup, same for WoC vs HE albeit the big enemy for WoC always was Empire and for HE, Dark Elves. But those 2 factions have some beef together too. Wasn't there a HE navy army list in Storm of Chaos that were specifically there in the lore to help fight Archaon ? Named the Lothern sea patrol or something ?

FS are always the butt of jokes from the community because of their lack of popularity, but when you look at community events, forums, or even the local clubs and game stores, there's always some FS representation and then you realise there's more FS players than you ever realised. I think they have carved their niche in the community albeit small, and they've played a big role in the current end of edition narrative. They're popular still, but not that popular. A bit like Votann & Chaos Knights in 40k. I personally think FS will stay, but the'll always remain a small army and I think GW might want to reboot the range at some point. So my take is that I agree with you, if you want to buy FS, buy flameseekers and the AoS3 characters, maybe a magmadroth, but be careful when buying vulkites/hearthguards and other AoS1 kits because GW might redo them sooner rather than later.

They always start with the bad guy faction, TK was before Brets and O&G before Dwarfs, so imo it's either BM or WoC next followed by an opposing elf faction.

You think this is still the case now that TOW is back ? Has the AoS train lost steam since the release of 3rd edition ? I used to think the 4th edition starter box was gonna blow everything because if the Skaven inside, but now that GW has enraged a lot of the community with its anti consumer squatting move, I don't know.

Me too. Maybe sometimes GW is overambitious with AoS ? Or maybe the WFB grognards are right and "nobody wants to play Age of S**tmar" ? Maybe the game isn't selling as well as we think ? I mean, for what I've seen at my local gaming club, AoS is popular, but is it popular enough to warrant releases on the scale GW has done ? Maybe not, since they're retiring some kits.

That's a huge step backwards and a big numbing down at depth and customisation.

Why ?

With the new regiment system, a pure IJ or KB army is gonna become repetitive very soon because you'll always get the same units even if you bring lots of unique heroes. Meanwhile wity Big Waagh, you can get an IJ frontline regiment with a megaboss, ardboyz and brutes, supported by a KB regiment with a gator and boltboyz... Opens up many possibilities.

One thing I agree with these redditors is that with Warclans losing a subfaction, hopefully this means more models for KB and IJ to fill the void left by BS.

Quite interesting article about the retirement of SCE kits : https://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar/space-marines-stormcast-eternals

No, because I'm gonna restraint from buying as 1/ a show of protest towards GW (I didn't buy a single GW product for a year when they cracked down on fan animations, and I'll do it again) and 2/ because I need to work on my pile of shame and I paint at a glacial pace. Even if a centerpiece CoS model would be nice.

Thing is, I genuinely want to be excited about the new edition because so far the rules look great and my army (Cities) is garanteed to get new stuff. The rule snippets look promising and I think this could unironically be the best edition of AoS gameplay wise. But idk man... I can't bring myself to be excited, because I won't be able to experience the new edition with 100% of the community because some hobbyists are leaving AoS because of GW's souless business moves. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'm like "yeeeeah... new rules are cool, because X or Y..." with little enthusiasm to show for it. I feel like when the dust settles in a week or two, I'd probably feel more interested about the new edition.

This is good. I like the Liberators warscroll, for Nagash... idk it feels like a mouthful seeing it. The abilities are sort of just crammed together, let the little squares breathe a little bit. But at least after reading it, it does feel less like a mouthful, I got in one read what Nagash does, when and how he does it. So overall great even if I miss the miniature photo on the warscroll. Also the colours make sense for the turn phases ! Red for bloody melee, orange for before melee (aggressive colour but less than red), gold for your precious heroes... It's his power level, an estimation of the magical abilities of a wizard. Let me check Nagash's...

It would have been even wiser to not post this right now when we still don't do much about the v4. Because right now, they're sure that every single announcement about the new rules will be greeted with hostility, no matter what they annouce - it could be lovely Skaven minis or new rule previews (and unironically so far the rules do look promising) but it will be greeted with coldness at best. This squatting and its consequences have been a disaster for AoS. And about this : Yes, but : there's an unspoken agreement that if you buy a recent mini (ie less than 10 years old), you are safe. It is like a covenant between GW and its customers. With the culling of Warcry and SCE stuff, GW has broken that covenant. And about Legends : no one uses Legend rules except once or twice in casual circles. Legends is where miniatures go to die.

What a terrible response from the CM. "Models leaving will be receiving updated miniatures" like "we deleted all the stuff you had, but we're doing some new stuff, so come open your wallet for our new minis paypig". But then again the CM probably has orders from on high and has to follow guidelines for responses.

Lmao the AoS socials can’t do anything now without being bombarded by angry reacts haha Looks like the pill wasn’t swallowed at all by the community.

CSM got 40k Beastmen, maybe STD will get a unit of Gors next edition. Looks like they want clearly clear cut armies for Chaos : Undivided, big 4, Skaven, Chorfs and I feel like they must’ve felt like BOC was “stepping ” on STD turf because they’re both undivided armies. But that opens the way for maybe undivided Beastmen in STD just like there is god marked Beastmen for Slaanesh and Tzeentch.

It wouldn’t have happened if 40k had done like AoS and made a Khorne codex with WE and demons… instead 40k Chaos is a mess but this is another debate that is not the point of this thread.

At least the memes have helped lighten the mood.

Yeah they'll definitely lose some customers over that, but those will be replaced by new players brought in by the new starter sets. I think GW, like other big companies, works on a benefit/risk system. Looks like they wanted to trim down the AoS catalogue becasue they felt it was becoming bloated, they calculated the risks (losing customers), then the benefits (less range bloat, less costs, redirecting money to other more profitable projects) and decided the benefits outweighted the risk and gave the green light for squatting. Is this a cold decision entirely based on numbers, stats and probabilities, driven by mercantile goals ? Yes. Is it how big companies operate now ? Sadly also yes.

This is a very important statement because it shows what is happening right now isn't new - it's part of a time honored GW tradition going back to 2000.

I would be very careful with FS now. Especially their 1st edition units and foot heroes. This large scale squatting is setting a dangerous precedent for lines GW wants to redo with a whole new design - non thunderstrike SCE have shown that - and considering FS have been the butt of many jokes about their look... now I think the jokes about FS are less funny and more sinister even if I think the army isn't going anywhere.

Also remember : the AoS Beastlord might have had a short lifespan... But at least it was longer than the 9th edition Guard codex.

Speaking of, my gaming group's Discord one has had some interesting responses about the squatting. They think the free Legends BT are a cool move from GW. As we are mostly casual gamers (the tryhard tourney people have left a few years back), I think I'll still see BoC and BS hitting the table if I manage to find our old BS player. "If the DLC sales don't double" they won't. TWW feels really complete now, already has tons of DLC, and following the shadows of change debacle (which was 100% Sega's fault) and the very delayed release of thrones of decay (alongside the layoffs because once again Sega is making mistakes and paying them by ruining people's jobs and lives), I don't see them selling as much as let's say WH2 DLCs like TK or vampirates. Only big names missing from the game are Nagash, Thanquol and Neferata anyways.

Savage Orcs are Orcs from the Southlands aka “WFB Africa”, and they’re Stone Age primitives that are regarded as backwards even by the other Orcs. They’re known for their ritual dancing and chanting, playing drums, have war paints, are led by shamans and are known for carving wooden masks. Also in battle they like to rush their opponents super fast in hordes. Aka, they’re essentially a fantasy version of 20th century stereotypes about African people and cultures. Especially the tabletop gameplay aspect, which to me feels like a direct stereotyping of the Brits’ visions of Zulus during their wars against each other.