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16 minutes ago, Enoby said:
I totally understand people's concerns with over-complicating AoS's rules, and certainly these are a far cry from older iterations of AoS.
On the other hand though, I appreciate matched play is becoming its own thing. Previously, matched play was seen as default AoS - despite the stereotype of "competitive" being complex, matched games were the easiest to pick up and play and had less complex in-game rules than narrative and open too (when accounting for their battleplans).
It was to the extent that matched play was the default no-frills mode rather than a true competitive mode. Basically, "we added points and some simple battleplans" and called it a style of play.
Now it seems like they're turning GHB matched play into a true competitive mode, with all the bells and whistles to do that. This does mean it's more complex, but also gives matched play more of an identity than "that mode you play with a stranger".
Don't get me wrong, that casual simple points game still needs to exist - but perhaps they should have four modes of play: Open, Narrative/PtG, Matched/Competitive, Standard.
For a long time, matched play has lacked an identity beyond being the version of AoS that is the easiest to play with everyone. Now it seems to have transformed into a true competitive mode with rotating seasonal alternate rules (rather than just new battleplans).
Again, that standard mode still needs to exist and it's probably what most people will play the most, but it's good that there's a true competitive mode now too.
What would you count as Standard, the Matched Play rules in the Core book? I've always liked the basic battle tactics there.
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1 hour ago, Freypal said:
This too. Pretty much sums up how I play!
Have you checked out the Warcoda packs? A real nice addition if you are using the Matched Plays rules from the Core book.
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Just now, Neil Arthur Hotep said:
If it is real it will probably not be a permanent rule, unlike the Skaven battle trait which is guaranteed to stick around until their next tome.
Good point. It starts to make a bit more sense, with infantry units fighting with more ferocity.
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1 minute ago, PrimeElectrid said:
Because it allows Skaven to fight in more than 2 ranks?
Good point.
I do like the idea of two ranks fighting, but does this mean now units that take hand weapons with 1" range are now better than spears with 2" range. Or is there still a bonus with the extra range?
Alternatively if this is a command ability it would be interesting.
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2 minutes ago, PrimeElectrid said:
Presumably something like “if a model is in base contact with a friendly model from the same unit that is within range of an enemy, that model can also attack as if it was in range”
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Yeah. But it feels strange having this, especially just having the new Skaven rule to allow something similar. Or even the reason you took spears over hand weapons?
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2 hours ago, DocKeule said:
In my case that would be more out of necessity to not have an additional drop. But 20 Thralls increase the chance to get some attacks in.
Lotann is great now, not only for Namarti. (Problem with Akhelians is to keep up though.). Thrallmaster does very little for Reavers. Not sure if 30 Thralls are enough to redeem the 110 points. The Soulrender has the same problem. There needs to be a Namarti unit that is hurt but at the same time there is enough left at the end of the battleshock phase to bring back models to.Thanks,
Yeah Lotan is a great addition now. The rest of my army is two Allopexes, 6 Morrsarr Guard and a King.
I think I'll play around with 2 units of Reavers, 20 Thralls (either reinforced or two 10s) and what I have above for a bit, trying different Isharann combinations.
Definitely agree the one drop is nice for Idoneth, but my play it more to get a playable list rather than competitive to start off.
I love there is a great variety of builds now for the army, people are starting to get to grips with the new book, hopefully we'll see some points drops at some stage too.
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I've managed to stock up on a good few Namarti now, all ready to die for their enclave.
I've 30 Thralls and 20 Reavers, till I eventually get a Leviadon I'm going to try and run them all in a list.
What's the best hero combo to run with them, obviously Lotan, Thrallmaster and Soulrender would be the three, but if you had to pick two from them what is the consensus? Or is it that any combination of two would work?
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18 hours ago, DocKeule said:
The alternative would be a little less shooty switching the Leviadon for six Morrsarr and 10 reinforcing one of the Thrall units.
Allegiance: Idoneth Deepkin
- Enclave: Ionrach
Leaders
Akhelian King (250)*
- General
- Bladed Polearm
- Artefact: Arcane Tome (Universal Artefact)
- Mount Trait: Voidchill Darkness
- Universal Spell Lore: Flaming Weapon
Lotann, Warden of the Soul Ledgers (115)*
Battleline
6 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard (390)**
- Reinforced x 1
20 x Namarti Thralls (260)*
- Reinforced x 1
10 x Namarti Thralls (130)*
Units
2 x Akhelian Allopexes (330)**
- Razorshell Harpoon
- Reinforced x 1
2 x Akhelian Allopexes (330)**
- Razorshell Harpoon
- Reinforced x 1
3 x Aetherwings (65)*
- Allies
3 x Aetherwings (65)*
- Allies
3 x Aetherwings (65)*
- Allies
Core Battalions
*Battle Regiment
**Hunters of the Heartlands
Total: 2000 / 2000
Reinforced Units: 4 / 4
Allies: 195 / 400
Wounds: 116
Drops: 4So here I would have some more bodies on the table and finally have 2000 points on the nose.
I'm thinking of trying a unit of 10 and 20 Thralls too. First 10 would be the first wave then the 20 would be the (hopefully) killing blow.
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Does anyone get the feeling a list was meant to be when it makes 2k exactly.
I was just plugging some units into the Warscroll builder for possible purchase ideas and this came out.
Akhelian King (250)
- General
- Bladed Polearm
Isharann Tidecaster (150)
Isharann Soulscryer (150)
6 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard (390)
10 x Namarti Reavers (170)
10 x Namarti Reavers (170)
3 x Akhelian Ishlaen Guard (195)
3 x Akhelian Ishlaen Guard (195)
1 x Akhelian Allopexes (165)
1 x Akhelian Allopexes (165)
Total: 2000 / 2000might not be enough hitting power if your opponent gets the jump on your units. Could run two units of 6 Morsarr Guard?
Any thoughts?
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9 minutes ago, Cyna said:
I'm also thinking about swapping sharks for Reavers
It may just come down to what I can buy cheapest 😉
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13 hours ago, Cyna said:
Now I am thinking to make something like this:
- Akhelian King
- Akhelian Thrallmaster
- Isharann Tidecaster
- Lotann, Warden of the Soul Ledgers
- 3x Akhelian Allopexes
- 6 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard
- 10 x Namarti Reavers
- 20 x Namarti Thralls
Very similar to what I think I'll try but swap a shark for another unit of Reavers.
I'm also keen to try the Soulrenderer to back up the Thralls.
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7 minutes ago, Liquidsteel said:
For sure. I think that list would really suit a Leviadon in support, if that makes your decision on which big model to get first.
I'm more leaning towards a Leviadon, and who knows, maybe the points will be lower later this year!
Thanks for the advice!
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14 minutes ago, Liquidsteel said:
I'd pick up another Shark and another unit of Reavers to start.
2 Sharks are nice as one of them becomes a Champion (for +1 to hit that also buffs the Mount) as well as making them a more appealing option to all out attack on the shooting.
Getting to 20 Reavers turns them in to a pretty decent threat from 18" and lethal at 9", as well as a scary prospect to charge thanks to Unleash Hell.
Yeah, I like the fact you can use them to sit on objectives or even screen and not feel like you're not using them well. I'd be tempted to run the thralls as a reinforced unit and then the other 10 as the fodder out forward for forgotten nightmares
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Looking for some advice for a short term addition for my idoneth collection. As most wargamers I've a few projects on the go so I'm waiting till the end of the year to possibly pick up a Leviadon or Eidalon. So I'm not sure what would be a good unit to add in next to give me a bit more viability at 2k. Not looking for super competitive, just playable.
My collection is:
Akhelian King
Isharann Soulrender
Isharann Soulscryer
Isharann Tidecaster
Lotann, Warden of the Soul Ledgers
10 x Namarti Reavers
10 x Namarti Thralls
10 x Namarti Thralls
10 x Namarti Thralls
1 x Akhelian Allopexes
1 x Akhelian Allopexes
3 x Akhelian Morrsarr Guard
3 x Akhelian Morrsarr GuardI'm tempted with another unit of Reavers and go the Nemarti route. Or Islaen Guard for a mix of things?
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57 minutes ago, Aztok said:
I'm a huge fan of 2-3 10man gutrippa squads for running around and holding objectives, with Hobgrots in the backline to prevent deepstrike or teleports. The choice for 1 squad of Boltboyz is interesting, I'm curious to see how it goes!
Old Gobbsprakk could be great, depending on what you're fighting and/or/if you get some Arcane Terrain he can huddle near, the +1 to dispel is enormous for him. Definitely want to hear how he does for you.
I'm always a big fan of Mirebrutes, and two is a great choice. Is one of them getting your mount trait?
Arcane Terrain is a good idea, I'll make sure we roll for those.
Only 6 Boltboyz is more so I can fit in everything else I want to take. I also know I'm going up against Sylvaneth so there will be woods everywhere blocking LoS.
I'll have to try a 3x Gutrippaz list next.
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Quite a hero heavy list for my next game. I normally run 9 or two units of 6 Boltboyz, just having one unit of 6 is more so I can fit all the heroes in. Gobsprakk's on the list as I recently used the Killaboss so I'm up for having some fan with magic.
One thought I'm having is how many standard units is best to run to get on objectives?
List:
- Army Faction: Orruk Warclans
- Army Type: Kruleboyz
- Subfaction: Big Yellers
- Grand Strategy: Prized Sorcery
- Triumph: Indomitable
LEADERS
Gobsprakk (280)
Snatchaboss on Sludgeraker Beast (315)
- General
- Command Traits: Egomaniak
- Artefacts of Power: Mork’s Eye Pebble
Breaka-boss on Mirebrute Troggoth (180)*
Breaka-boss on Mirebrute Troggoth (180)*
Swampcalla Shaman and Pot-grot (105)*
- Spells: Choking Mist
Killaboss with Stab-Grot (110)*
- Boss‑hacka and Skareshield
- Artefacts of Power: Arcane Tome
BATTLELINE
10 x Gutrippaz (180)**
10 x Gutrippaz (180)**
6 x Man-skewer Boltboyz (240)**
OTHER
1 x Marshcrawla Sloggoth (150)*
10 x Hobgrot Slittaz (80)*
CORE BATTALIONS
- *Warlord
- **Hunters of the Heartlands
TOTAL POINTS: 2000/2000-
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19 hours ago, Backbreaker said:
What do you think about taking a Troggboss (gloomspite gitz), with a Sloggoth, a unit of trolls (gloomspite gitz) and one/two mirebrutes?
You end up with a bunch of trolls hitting on 2s rerolling 1s for only 1CP.
That sounds like good fun! Also an excuse to get a Dankhold Troggoth!
What would your thoughts be for the rest of the army? Boltboyz and hobgrot screens?
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It would be great to have a guide for terrain placement. I liked Lurynsar's comment on what types of terrain to take to get a good mix.
I would like to see more terrain you interact with, garrisons or area terrain spaces that provide cover, rather than just big objects that you move around.
I've seen examples from 40k tournaments that had the terrain layouts but haven't been able to find anything for AoS.
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9 hours ago, Zorki said:
Hello,
What do you think about this army list :
- Army Faction: Orruk Warclans
- Army Type: Kruleboyz
- Subfaction: Big Yellers
- Grand Strategy: Hold the Line
- Triumph: Indomitable
LEADERS
Breaka-boss on Mirebrute Troggoth (180)
Breaka-boss on Mirebrute Troggoth (180)
Gobsprakk (280)
- Spells: Choking Mist
Swampcalla Shaman and Pot-grot (105)*
- Spells: Choking Mist
Snatchaboss on Sludgeraker Beast (315)*
- General
- Command Traits: Supa Sneaky
- Artefacts of Power: Mork’s Eye Pebble
BATTLELINE
10 x Gutrippaz (180)*
- Wicked Stikka
6 x Man-skewer Boltboyz (240)*
6 x Man-skewer Boltboyz (240)*
ARTILLERY
1 x Beast-skewer Killbow (130)*
OTHER
10 x Hobgrot Slittaz (80)*
3 x Rippa's Snarlfangs (70)*
CORE BATTALIONS
- *Battle Regiment
TOTAL POINTS: 2000/2000
I'm not a big fan of Gobsprakk but we need monster... Maybe the generic one. Or rework the list for an Rogue Idol 🤔
I can swap the balista for 1 more shaman or 1 more Hobgrot but i think the actual monster meta make a sense to take the balista.
Similar to the list I'll be trying next. Don't have the Vulture so I'm taking another Shaman, Murknob and Reinforce the Gutrippaz too (dropped the Killbow also)
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2 hours ago, Rachmani said:
The others covered most of the points, I‘ll add one in defence of it.
It can serve as a distraction carnifex pretty well, for the same reasons it‘s a tad too unreliable. It‘s swinginess. As long as there is a big centerpiece, there is always the possibility for a lucky shot. Especially with a Sludgeraker in range.
And in my experience most players don’t like that.
So sometimes it can do stuff the boltboys can’t. But I‘d rather see it as a lucky out instead of a plan to build your game around.Also good to sit on an objective in your territory and provide a 9 inch radius to stop some summoning.
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On 12/30/2021 at 3:43 PM, Arzalyn said:
Just to add to what @NauticalSoup around said. Its basically 130 points for a model that have 1 attack. If you get a 6 on the hit, great! It will deal a good amount of damage and do what you expected it to do. Anything other than a 6 is pretty bad, as the attack can simple miss and the unit does basically nothing until you get to your next turn. The boltboyz are more reliable with our buffs and also provide some bodies after they shoot.
Yeah the Killbow is very hit or miss. The amount of times I've rolled a 2 to wound. But I have had games where it's done well though, but Bolt-boyz are more reliable. It's something I take for fun now.
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Any thoughts on including Kragnos in a Big Waagh list? I'm starting from a Kruleboyz army and was looking to get the Ironjawz start collecting box next. With Kragnos's charge boost would Gore Gruntas be the way to go?
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On 12/27/2021 at 12:54 PM, Sivyre said:
Morks eye pebble and arcane tome with smelly’un are the enhancements/trait I use.
Before the change the arcane tome was substituted for the amulet.
Yeah, Smelly'un is a good one to take. I want to try loud'un too, i do think our mount traits are better than the artifacts. May need to get the vulture to get more use out of them
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With the update to Amulet of Destiny (tough for our Boyz but was something that needed to change), what is everyone's go to Enhancements now and what extra ones to you also take from the Warlord battalion?
I've started to wonder if a second mount trait is the way to go now.
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Fantastic work, are you planning to do some Pusgoyle Blightlords? Would be great to see what rotten steeds from the depths they could ride?