Boingrot Bouncer
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Although great new minis I still feel like a big reveal of the new edition box should have had some more. Are there any more new units for the start factions? Which factions are next in line for a battle tome? There doesn't need to be dates or months for it but some kind of plan for the future would have been nice.
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New Grey seer, maybe not the most needed update but a pleasant surprise non the less.
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I just hope that they then make certain faction terrains less impactful or very hard to destroy. If gitz for example lose their loonshrine early it will greatly hamper them, both for the moon light it gives and how it bring back models.
Sure, you can position it to not be easy to hit, but it's very hard to protect it from shooting. On the other side in season 3 it could be smashed on a single dice roll by a monster so perhaps I am overly pessimistic.
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1 minute ago, Grunbag said:
They are repacking some vanguard for spearhead , but not kruleboyz, kharadron , BoK , slaanesh , lumineth , slaves to darkness , dok , LrL , tzeentch nighthaunt and fyreslayer . It still a vanguard for them .
Hey, you wrote Lumineth two times, just like how they get their tomes...
Might be a webpage thing, all factions in the new edition will get spearhead rules. For kruelboys it of course might mean that Orruks warclan gets one, and that it's none of kruelboys in it.
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1 hour ago, Chikout said:
This feels like a themed tactic more than a fair one. It's definitely the hardest but we've literally seen half the picture when it comes to battle tactics. Does death have a second harder tactic and Destruction an easier one? On first glance it would seem fairer to move both those tactics to two units, but perhaps time will prove us wrong.
Yeah, i know we still have one each to see from every alliance so I am not totally in doooooooom-mode yet, but the marketing team must have known how different the BT:s where in difficult levels and what kind of speculation this would lead too if there was a ln easier one for destruction.
Its very thematic but extremely hard to do...
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The more I think about the alliance BT the more they feel unequal. Especially the destruction feels like an extremely hard one.
You need to:
*Have three of your units wholly in your territory (which can be very small)
*Successfully get them wholly out of your territory and in range if charging.
*Then succed in all three charges (hello redploy!).
*And not be killed before you have successfully fight with the three units.
I mean, even a newbie player can see so much possibilities to counter play this tactic it's ridiculously hard to succeed in it.
Compare that to the death one, which unless you have some very special match is kill a five wound hero or a ten wound unit.
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Somewhat positive about the battle tactics, they don't seem to be to easy to do, and can be planned on how to do or counterplay. Still need to see them all before final judgement.
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Another downside of faction specific BT:s that I have realised is that as an opponent it's impossible to memorize all factions different BT:s meaning I can't plan ahead to stop my opponents BT:s (if it's even possible), compared to the eight or so standard BT:s that everyone use.
So for me I would like perhaps 10 BT:s that you can counter play and maybe at most onebor two faction specific that I can keep in my memory that my opponent can do in the game.
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To be honest I think Gitmob should be it's own tome and maybe take Spiderfang with them since Spiderfang feels different when it comes to the looks than the other parts in GSG (and also have it's own spellore).
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As for playtime in AoS there seem to be a problem getting it done in three hours even in tournaments. Most perhaps succeed in finishing the game, but just like a student can finish an exam in 1 hour, the student perhaps don't do a good work in that hour since it's stressed about answering all the questions in time.
And that's how it feels in AoS, to be sure to finish in three hours you can't allow yourself or your opponent to think too much about your strategy and what decisions to make.
This is also amplified by how the rules work in 3d edition, like the fact that the different heroic actions and monsterous actions are on different dice roll results so you can't just roll a dice and see if you succeed before you decide what monsterous action you will do. So you spend a couple of minutes thinking about it and it turns out it was wasted.
I haven't played in a tournament yet but for our games it takes about 30 minutes deploying (my friend usually has prepared the board and rolled the scenario before we arrive, otherwise add another 30 minutes) and then the game takes about 2-4 hours where we are quite good at the rules of our armies. And the two hours games are the one where you have a clear winner in the third round and there is little reason to play on. In a tournament where every point could matter this wouldn't be possible.
What I have seen of 4d edition it probably will be less time to play, but it feels wrong that the game don't allow you to think a lot about tactics and strategy if you should finish it in 3 hours unless you are really good.
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To be honest I lack having units in the 40-50 points range in most armies, so I would love if they could make some units bad enough to warrant that low point.
Often you end up at 1950-1960 points and it just feels bad having that gap. Previously you could add a bad endless spell, but that just felt like a bad solution most times. With the apparent change in magic that seem to be gone as a solution too.
And I know that there is a risk that some people might spam low points units for board control/screen but it feels like a solvable problem with some kind of army building restrictions.
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Yes, Gotrek is an example of how you make a near immortal fighting hero. Having played against him and watched him be played I myself find him to be rather unfun since the tactics is simply to never let him get in a fight with you at any cost.
I much more prefer all the heroes that can transfer wounds since you get a hero that lives longer bit still have a chance to kill it.
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15 minutes ago, MitGas said:
Btw: Why am I the only optimistic one here? I hate goody two-shoes and if magic sucks, my army will get hit the hardest! 😂
I am really optimistic about the new edition, so far I have almost no objections about the new rules we have seen.
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You also need to remember that the Wizards get all the spells in the spell-lore, not just one spell. That means that most players have more freedom than before (except for a few armies) when it comes to choose spell.
And no more thinking which of my fungoid shaman that had which spell and cursing that I wished that it was the other way around...
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Yes it feels like skaven should have some part of that too lead the way for 4th edition.
Let's just hope it's not "and just as "the big plan"© is supposed to happen Skaven interrupt once again" but something new.
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Like the new commands overall, but can not say that CP seem to be so much rarer as they claim in some factions in 4th edition compared to 3d.
Sure, if you run kroak or so you're probably getting more than 4 per round in 3d edition, but if I look at my troll-list I would be getting 3-4 per round (depending if I go second or not) + maybe one from heroic action. Same with my normal SBGL-list.
I also like the 2 points for counter charge. It's a big threat to be counter charged in your turn, so will be a good mind game there. If it was 1 CP it would be something you always did if you had any available unit within 12 inches of your opponent.
I know they have said that extra CP generated by heroes would be very rare, but have they said anything about heroes having built in abilities to use command abilities for free?
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You call that a distance? Here in Sweden I got 8,5-9 hours to drive to get to the nearest Warhammer shop, and 8,5-9 hours to get back if I drive without taking any breaks. If I don't hit any reindeers (probably the most stupid animals when it comes to road safety) or moose...not to talk about those pesky marauders.
Ok, the last bit was a joke but the rest is true. Luckily I have never felt the need for a anniversary model, but if I had I'd be pretty sad.
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Might be the paint job but not sold on this vamp hero. And as a SBGL player I don't know if we needed another hero on foot.
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Feels like hobgrot to me since they have sulphuric hand grenades.
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Harbinger of decay git my vote too. Bought the box with him just for having a fun paint project and he looks amazing in pics and reality.
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For me the zombiedragon still looks good compared with the new SBGL, but I dislike the look of the terrorgheist if you build as instructed so wouldn't mind a refresh if it.
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Not surprising it's a small week with only three miniatures after last week's big release. Sadly don't seem to be much about AoS on the community page this week either.
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I can also assure that Nurgle will increase his invasion ten folds into any household that brings a baby into it. Nurgle rot will seep out of the noses as well as many other colours not yet released by GW.
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Although I will buy our new glorious king it doesn't feel like it is as survivable as as a standard Troggboss with Glowy Howitz and he gets a big target on his back for all the shooting and magic spells especially if he buff the whole army.
The Rumour Thread
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As a gitz player the preview didn't really leave me longing for the new faction rules. I know that we should wait to see the full picture but it mostly felt the same or needed rules which doesn't really make you excited. Skragrott lost a lot of his abilities and feels as bad as he did in 2.0. The little bonus advantages on redeploy isn't really that exciting.
And yeah yeah, points and all that but both sce and skaven got some warscrolls you really got excited about while this just feels boring and needed. So my verdict is 3 glass bottles out of 10 as a faction intro.