Gistradagis

No idea honestly, I was mostly guessing after checking the STD battletome. I guessed it was about Marks/keywords like you said, so some units from STD can normally go to other armies, but not the other way around. @Jaskier Ah, I see, thanks. Currently playing around with the list, thinking of running something like 3-4 DPs, Be'Lakor, a sorcerer, 40 marauders, 2 units of 5 knights, and a Soul Grinder, full Khorne (except sorcerer, duh). Considering sacrificing one of the DPs to make the sorcerer a Sorcerer on Manticore, since it looks cool as heck and also counts as a monster. Something like this, dunno if I'm going a bit too crazy or if this might surprise me in a good way O:

The Gaunt Summoner on foot isn't part of STD's battletome, so the answer could be no (except as an ally). Only the Gaunt Summoner on Disc is in it. Edit: Appears to be keyword-based, so disregard it. I feel similarly. I really like the whole STD deal, and am, perhaps a bit stubbornly, trying to make it work instead of just going back to my Nurgle army. I do honestly not get what was the point of adding the cultists to the army and then make them so inefficient through and through. If at least they had a Mark... not even a choice between all the gods, but a forced one each, most would be playable. Just as you say, the update feels half-assed. PD: Anyone has thoughts on the Soul Grinder? Some people tell me he's good, others say it's a waste of points. Kinda considering one for my Despoiler-monsters army.

That's what I hear all the time, yeah. Most opinions on the warscrolls go something along the line of "this is pretty good/interesting... but in any list we're just running out of points so we can't afford it." If STD received some much-needed points reduction, we would be able to bring more units, in bigger numbers. I'd feel much better about STD.

Well they are already on pre-order, aren't they? Sphiranx and the Crusher thingie. Both look pretty fun, although I fear running them into anything (10 wounds is nice, 4+ save not so sure). I see. Well, "any" change will be welcome. STD armies being able to fit in something else might be surprisingly good. I do think the battletome has a number of cool/interesting units, but everything is kinda overcosted, so you always run into points problems. I'm personally trying to create a DPs family Despoilers list, although I'm kinda lost. No idea if the list has any value/potential.

Dang, we sure are bringing the mood down, guys 😛 Question for AoS veterans: to what degree can we expect/hope for GW to say "ok, STD came out barely standing by itself, so we're changing X unit/points"? Does it happen once in a while, once a year (with general's handbook) or practically never. Mostly, I wanna know if the money I put into an STD army is lost forever if I wanna win once in a while

Well, I've seen Be'Lokar's legion and it looks promising. You bring a bunch of cheap demons and make him practically immortal (as long as there are demons around him).

Ah, thanks. It was so confusing... I'm still trying to build a Despoilers list and going with tons of DPs, a soul grinder and then some base battleline troops is really tempting. Otherwise, perhaps some DPs with a ruinbringer warband.

A bit of a dumb question, but a list I saw today is making me doubt myself. The Despoilers' Sacrilegious Might ability only gives the 5+ FNP to your DP general, right? Cuz I saw a list with 4 DPs + Be'Lakor and the dude spoke about how they were all fairly resilient with a 5+ FNP.

How so? I also had this doubt, and tried using a couple damage calculators. I always got the same result: the axe's output is slightly better/more reliable.

That's fair, although Be'Lakor and his spell skill isn't quite what I'd call "any army does better and cheaper." Really wanna find/make some cool Despoilers list with him, though. Most stuff I'm seeing everywhere is Ravagers, and some Everchosen.

Not even that. If the opponent somehow gets the double turn, the ability stays, affecting the opponent's key piece for 2/5s of the game and helping you survive the double turn. I honestly don't see how Be'Lakor is anything other than great, and practically a must-have.

Seeing some Despoiler lists but people are running them with only 1 DP? Isn't that a bit of a waste? I was trying to make a list using the new StC as a core, and got something like this (not sure if Undivided, or a combination of Nurgle on infantry and Slaanesh on Cavalry): Leaders Be'Lakor DP (general) Chaos Lord on Karkadrak Chaos Sorcerer Lord Units 5 x Chaos Knights 1 x Chaos Chariots 15 x Chaos Warriors 40 x Chaos Marauders 15 x Chaos Marauder Horsemen 1980/2000 I wonder if I'm running too many random units and should sacrifice something for a warshrine or what. Never really done lists before @_@