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these changes dont make sense and are 100% only a reaction to all these cryers that didnt even read the full book and only cried about the new stuff.
humans were ok,elfs were the best of the book and dwarfs plain bad.
now they nerfed EVERY playable human unit and rigth now humans are plain bad as dwarfs.
first hurricanum got a nerfed half damage doing it umplayable(0 mortals in turn 1 if you start,then 3,5 turn2,5 turn3 etc for almost 300 points is a ******)
the metal mage was obvious that was get a nerf due to everyone criers,but a mage with +1 and that CANT SELECT SPELLS OF OUR BOOK and is locked to only the same spell was fine for 80, 110 isnt the end of the world but they did him useless x2 or more and punish to those that got multiples of the bundle box
the fussilers were bad at 150 and needed a reduction to 130 but they got a increase,is only fun.....
170 for 5 rend1 damage(ignore captain because isnt relevant if we bring blocks of 30)
idoneths reavers 160 for 8'8/10 rend1 damage
so if we dont buff them they are half damage than similar units for more points.
now if we buff them:
fusilers+mage 170+110 for 5 rend1 damage and 3,3 mortals
sentinels 160 to do 1,5 rend1 and 3,3 mortals.
so sentinels do the same mortals and dont have to pay 110 for a extra mage.
again how is posible compare fusilers to sentinels and fusilers cost more?
i have played many games and the fusillers are GREAT and auto include in every list but i never used them for their lackluster damage.
in every game i use fussilers as a shield against shooting to my hammerers and pirates,because when enemy know that i gonna get a free shooting if he shoot my dps units that i have close to the fusilers then they usually change targets.
also the order of supresive fire was great to give atack last to the target of my hammerers.
and the metal mage again was useles in every single game that i played,he almost never got the mortal wounds spell off because everyone use the primal dices to cancel it,but i dont care,i use him as bait,so enemy spend primal dices with him and i am free to use my two sorceress that are the mvp with the -1 hit,blizard,hoarfrost or the ignore save spells.
in general the fusilers+metal mage combo have been in paper and practice useless as damage combo,but great as suport.
now the combo is too much expensive and i dont know if i only gonna ignore them or replace my 30 fusilers to only 20.
spend 520 points and one warlord trait for lackluster and unrelyable damage is too much but i dont know if worth it as support
oh and zelestra.......i really dont know whats the hype with her. i dont mind if they put her to 500 points because i hate the model and the rules.
a 66% chance(3+) of give ward5 that dont stack to only humans that allready have ward6 with stellhelms or luminark? seems stupid.
or a 66% chance to do 2 mortals to mages/priest(in maths is only 1,2 mortals that is bad)
to me zelestra cost must be around 120 but as i said i dont mind because i hate the model.
funny see many huge nerfs but 0,000000 buffs here to useless units as every dwarf(only hammerers are playable) or the cannon
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9 hours ago, Ejecutor said:
I prefer to wait for that kind of boxes as well. As I am not a player I just ordered Tahlia, but my doubt when I am waiting is always the same. How many price increases could we have in between? Maybe we end paying the same in the end. So I am always checking and if a price increase comes, I will do my maths in case it ends being cheaper with current prices.
yes i do the same,i usually only buy units and start collectings with bundles or special ocasions as black friday that have more disscount and also just when i hear about prices increases(como se nota que ambos somos españoles y aqui nuestro salario no esta al nivel del resto de paises haha)
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6 hours ago, Asbestress said:
pleasantly surprised by some of the pricing
hnnnn i think everyone on internet think the oposite,many of the new kits are overpriced(in money)
so far:
steelhelms are ok.
fusilers are ok or maybe even less than the usual 50€
the comand group is ok.
cavaliers are ok.
but thats all.
then zynestra is way too much expensive,marshal in ogor,artillery,marshal on horse all those are around 20% expensiver than the normal for similar heroes and plastic in other factions.
and the worst is thalia,she cost 120€ when must cost around 70/80€.
just compare to mew dragon of sc,same detaill,same named monobuild,same amount of plastic and number of sprues,even the points the dragon is expensiver.
but the dragon cost 70€ and thalia 120€.
i wont buy nothing with these prices,i preffer wait for the vanguard or battleforce of next year
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24 minutes ago, peasant said:
Woah! Literally fyreslayers got the worst army of renown! I prefer the maw grunta
yes,the worst army rigth now and get the worst army of renown,make sense.
copy/paste of firsts reviewers;
"I want to be very clear: this is not a good army to take. You’re not getting some sort of new meta Fyreslayer build out of this. It’s a different way to play with the army and if your main thing is playing matched play or anything even nearing competitive gaming then you won’t be using this."
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new rules here.
copy/paste of the review if you preffer skip the link
"this is not a good army to take. You’re not getting some sort of new meta Fyreslayer build out of this. It’s a different way to play with the army and if your main thing is playing matched play or anything even nearing competitive gaming then you won’t be using this."
https://www.goonhammer.com/dawnbringers-the-long-hunt-part-5-fyreslayers/
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yes 100% for sure. the instact azyrite building is only custom built of the studio as were the olds pics of the old city of sigmar book those buildings and doors etc
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40 minutes ago, Starfyre said:
The Celestant-prime imho is a lot nicer than say Yndrasta and I definitely don’t want to see angel wings on SCE, that’s the part of her I dislike the most.
Having a celestial vortex around him is cool, but I agree I’d have liked the pose to be pronounced like his artwork which looks epic.
And he does need better rules.
I doubt he’ll get a do-over, and rather another of Sigmar’s champions from another realm will be released instead.
Does anyone have any thought as to who is behind the mask? I assume it’s either Valten or Karl Franz, leaning toward the former.
What about Ionus Cryptborn? I reckon Mannfred.
i cant remember where,but i remember years ago that some book gave big hints that celestant prime is karl franz.
ionus cryptborn isnt manmfred,in this article of the wytch hunters said that ionus last life was one of those wytch hunters
this says: Ionus Cryptborn was once a ven Denst in a former life. This is a family of movers and shakers
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4 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:
fyreslayers as the worst army(ironjawz is a faction inside of big wag that is top) but gw wont buff them for sure as happened before with excuses,fyreslayers are bad but we gonna wait to see how the new unit(useless) and new dawnbringer rules(useless also) gonna help them.
then next metawatch again show them at botton,but now again zero buffs because a new edition is coming,lets wait to see before make changes etc etc
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this new sylvaneth hero is great and have everything that is missin in the bad dragon sc hero.
have ward.
have utility aura of run and charge
have utility cp to buff allys.
and cost 40 less,it is obvious that the dragon must cost 320 when is so much worse than this new hero lol
and dont get how some batallions are great as sons,kharadrons,goblins and now sylvaneths with great rules and powerfull but then fyreslayers and sc get horribles rules with only monsters rampages
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its hard drawn the line.
myself:
-i like have the 100% of units in the army,so i am collector
-i like spend many hours removing every gap lane,seam lane etc of my miniatures and i build them as i did with my tamiya kits,so i am hobbist also
-i like spend many hours doing numbers,theorycrafting,mathammer,tactics,list etc,but really i only have played around 50 games and 2 tournament in 8 years,so i could be called player or competitive player?
but i think i could call me myself collector,because i take more excitement and fun each time that i buy one unit that i dont have(pokemon symdrome of get them all),thanks to this i have a HUGE pile of shame waiting me
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16 minutes ago, Ganigumo said:
Beasts of chaos, cities of sigmar, bonesplitterz, sons of behemat and flesh eater courts also haven't gotten one.
Its probably a sales thing though. Outside of just throwing 20 hearthguard in a box I'm not sure you could build a good one?
Although they've released some stinkers in the past like the gutbuster one with a giant ally, or the beastclaw raider one that had RESIN MINIS in it.cities of sigmar got 3 pseudo battleforce,the tempest eye,anvilgard and hallowhearth(i dont remember if was that name,had humans)
bonesplitterz isnt a army,is only a alegiance inside of the army big wagh,and big wag got one battleforce allready,so bonespliter got one.
flesh eater courts got one battleforce allready,in first edittion that had one or two terrorgheist
https://elementgames.co.uk/images/products/41513/48289-large.jpg
beast of chaos i dont remember
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people criying about the content of the battleforce when one faction in entire 8 years of aos NEVER have got a battleforce.
yes i am speaking about fyreslayers the forgotten faction of gw with only two non heroes boxes,0 battleforces in 8 years etc
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3 hours ago, Clan's Cynic said:
he is overcosted,0 buffs or auras,no ward and is named
only a combatstick hero that must cost 320 and not 400
as player,why waste 400 on this heroe when for less points one unit of dragons have same movility,more damage and more wounds.
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7 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
What about this:
Would you say it looks better than what we currently have dwarvens whise for CoS? To mee they don't hold very well if you compare it with the new humans, and this sculpt, for example, looks better and fits better imo.
nop,this is a 3/10 with luck,dont have details,dont have runes,it is only a try to copy the gw dwarfs but failled.
its only personal,but to me both dwarfs and dark elfs of cos are 10/10 and dont only hold very well if we compare to new humans,they are better
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54 minutes ago, KingBrodd said:
90% of the WHFB sculpts need updating across AOS
i am not agree,entire disposesed range is great and dont need be aosified because they are better looking than any aos model.
they are a 10/10 and cant be make better,i dont want a remake with half dwarf half any other nonsense as almost every other aos army
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7 minutes ago, Grungnisson said:
Is this still Fyreslayers we're discussing here?
nop that is from data from before last general handbook, we are discussim this data that is only post general handbook
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new fyreslayers are bad and non competitive.
stats wise are similar to vulkites with axes(10% less wounds and damage but 10% cheaper)
but;
-we need vulkites to do one battle tactic.
-vulkites can attack when die
-vulkites can get +1 hit and wound in one lodge and this unit is locked in lofnir
-this unit cant get buffed by flamekeeper neither attack first and a big etc
-locked in lofnir makes them plain bad and also havent acess to many buffs
in short a cool looking unit that is bad and wont be used in competitive
rigth now fyreslayers is the worst army of aos with 38% win rate and need huge buffs,a useless unit so bad as this dont help
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3 minutes ago, Ejecutor said:
Some of us just play to have fun. I will use them for sure.
good for you,i have learn with the years that all these extra rules have short live with gw.
so i wont buy multiples units of a secundary game to can play with these new bad rules for some months untill gw delete it and i have spent money on units that cant be played/are bad.
i did this buying extra units to play when many of these rules came as the first firestorm campaign before city of sigmar book. i bougth many units of humans,dark elfs,dwarfs to use and then gw deleted these rules and worse even deleted many of these units when citi of sigmar came.
then with city of sigmar book i got some kharadrons and sylvaneth to play for fun with the especial rules of 1 of 4 units,and then came this new book and deleted these rules and again i have units that i cant use.
in short im happy that fyreslayers got bad rules that nobody gonna use for competitive,so nobody gonna waste extra money buying units for these rules that gonna be deleted in months
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9 minutes ago, Fellman said:
can we wait whit the doom and gloom untill the book with the entry of the rules are released?
i s ́choos to have faithhnnn who have said its doom and gloom,they are only useless extra rules that nobody gonna use.
but they dont nerf us or do nothing more,its so simple as fyreslayers gonna continue being the worst army of the moment because these rules wont change nothing
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2 hours ago, Beliman said:
Let me understand this armies. You need to buy multiple warbands from another game to play the next factions? Is that right?
no problem because this fyreslayers rules are so bad that nobody gonna want use it.
kharadrons,goblins and sons of behemat got very good rules but the worst army rigth now(fyreslayers) got a useless rules that nobody gonna use and loose the better old rules
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these foot heavy knigth are great if we ignore the super ugly helmets lol
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10 hours ago, Trugg the Troggoth King said:
So the "new" design for Liberators are Vindictors... but with new hammers!
yep,i hope this is only something of the game and not real.
this is 100% only vindictors with hammers and not liberators.
i am not a fan of renew models with only 7 years,but if they do i hope be some new,this is 99% a vindictor with a extra sprue for a new arm with a hammer and call it liberator
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one tournament have let use new city book,one greywater fastness list could get to 3th position.
the tournament was:Sparkle Party Death Match IX
52-player, 5-round Grand Tournament in Seattle, WA, United States on September 23 2023
the list was entire of elfs(the best of the book) exploiting the sorcerer+corsair+black guard combo and multiple fleetmaster+12 shooting charriots lol
the list:
Army Faction: Cities of Sigmar
– Army Type: Greywater Fastness
– Triumph: Bloodthirsty (Reroll charge)LEADERS
Sorceress (100)**
– General
– Command Trait: Secretive Warlock (+1 to cast/unbind)
– Artifact of Power: Anklet of Epiphany (+6 inches to spells)
– Spell Lore: Tenebrael BladesSorceress (100)**
– Spell Lore: HoarfrostBlack Ark Fleetmaster (90)*
Black Ark Fleetmaster (90)***
Black Ark Fleetmaster (90)***BATTLELINE
Dreadspears (90)***
– Standard Bearer
– Hornblower
– Lordling
Dreadspears (90)***
– Standard Bearer
– Hornblower
– Lordling
Black Guard (420)*
– Captain
– 3 x Standard Bearer
– 3 x DrummerOTHER
Black Ark Corsairs (180)*
– Reaver
– Paired Weapons
– 2 x Standard Bearer
– 2 x Hornblower
Scourgerunner Chariots x3 (240)***
Scourgerunner Chariots x3 (240)***
Scourgerunner Chariots x3 (240)***TOTAL POINTS: 1970/2000
BATTALIONS:
Wizard Hunters *
Andtorian Acolytes **
Battle Regiment *** Grand Strategy: Spellcast Savant-
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6 hours ago, Neil Arthur Hotep said:
Has anyone been putting any thought into interesting ally options for Cities?
I want to maybe include a few Stormcast for the flavour, but I am unsure if any are actually worth it from a gameplay standpoint.
we have lost every unit with deep strike,so i would get as allys stormcast palladors or sylvaneth tree unit that teleport each turn
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AoS Cities of Sigmar Battletome 2023 Discussion
in Cities of Sigmar
Posted · Edited by Doko
yup,thalia worth 70€, the 120€ that gw want charge us is a rip off.
i wont get her untill she is in a battleforce or vanguard,i gonna be happy to miss her and get karl franz for half price and more cool loking,also i can use him in aos and old world.