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So while I find this utterly hilarious, I am not gonna lie, I am frustrated again. My Sigmar Army has gotten removed from the game again! For reference here:
Fantasy: Bretonnia (Coming back in Old World)
Age of Sigmar 1st Edition: Bretonnia-FreeGuild (I was planning on using Bretonnia (sense keyword shared) as a stepping stone to build FreeGuild army). Bretonnia lost FreeGuild keyword and then stuff like Order Knights got removed.
Age of Sigmar 2nd Edition: Freeguild-Vampire Mercs. I transitioned to using Merc rules bought some Blood Knights, and otherwise. Relevant Mercs got removed from the game.
Age of Sigmar 2nd Edition Part 2: Shadowblade + Friends (Tempest Eye/Living City) I acquired some Stormcast, Wanderers, alongside other units and converted some of my Freeguild. Redid the army with a ShadowBlade Core + Assassin General. Realm Rules (Removal of Realm Facts, specifically Thermal Rider) ended that army.
Age of Sigmar 2nd/3rd Edition: Shadowblade + DoK/Stormcast Vangaurd (Hal Kuron and Misthaven). I more embraced the Shadowblade theme of shifty shifty, and began using DoK new units Khainte Units and/or Stormcast Vangaurd Rules. Originally intended for Hal Kuron, but then Legends rules for Uglu Wizard Aelves from that boardgames I transitioned to Misthavn.
Now ironically while Human Cavalry have returned, and alot of my hopes for genericier traits so my Assassin Generals wouldn’t feel meh. Shadowblade isn’t an army that can exist anymore. Furthermore Assassins only work with Aelf Units. Also I lost Stormcast Coalition. So like on principle I like new book and Bretonnia returning in ToW. But man getting my army removed from the game 5 times is book utterly hilarious and incredibly frustrating for me.
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Damn, so no stealthy aelves in the book anymore? Mechanically I feel Wildercorps makes the most sense. But I’d need to get Hounds and a Arbablaster.
Darkshards I suppose work I /sigh because Crossbow vs Bow.
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So looking at new rules, what would I do for my shadow warrior count as?
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All I want to know can I play my Shadowblades
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Yeah that what I mean Commissar. I’d love for cities rulewise to represwnt whay they are…they just don’t right now
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On 5/6/2022 at 9:52 AM, CommissarRotke said:
This is less true for AOS and the rays of hope that are allowed to shine in AOS seem to be a reason that a LOT of us prefer it to 40k or even WHFB.
If GW wants AOS to stand apart as its own high fantasy IP, something needs to be different. And being without the fantasy speciesism of their other two GIANT IPs will set Age of Sigmar as its own nobledark standard.
I think there's a misunderstanding here: those of us who want the Cities redesign to include non-humans, want that because it would mean direct synergies and less/no redundant units.
Yeah I agree Commissar, I just don’t agree with the concept or argument as the book is written as now that their is some harmonious crossover/intergratiom with subfactions
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So just to mention all those “Love Mixed Race!” Well cities has imho several core almost unsolvable problem:
Few Direct Cross Faction Synergies. Subfactions are super xenophobic to each other. And multiple redundant units. We have:
Dreadspears, Dreadblade, Eternal Gaurd, and Freeguild Gaurd. Then lesser extent Executioners, Black Gaurd, GreatSwords and Pheonix Gaurd. And list goes on, on units that serve fundamentally same roles. Further all the heroes only buff or work on certain subfactions. So in this way I am hoping Neo New Cities. Reworks the core design for “Sub” Factions Factions. Like units or armies shouldn’t be so painfully xenophobic.
Big Aelf heroes do best buffs on Aelves but also buff or affect other mortals
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Seriouslt through that it? Traits for Griffon and Dragons? A battle tactic, and Nothing else?
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30 minutes ago, Maogrim said:
Sincerely hope that the Aelf warband turns out to be Daughters. They certainly are in Ulgu, and Daughters need some more characters with names and lore.
Its properly Idoneth given the lore statement on Warhammer Community
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So this is my Misthavn list:
There are a couple caveats here. Its playing Legends rules specifically Mistweaver Sith and Tenebral Shard. And assuming opponent let me count them as Shadowblades. So here we go:
Leader 445:
•Mistweaver Sith - 135: General (Dark Adept), Art (Bell), Narcrotic (Ink)
-Spell (Levitate), Bat (Regiment)
•Tenebral Shard - 110: Adjunct, Art (Tomb or Shackles), Narcrotic (Dust or Float)
-Spell (Flaming, if Tomb), Bat (Warlord)
•Assassin - 80: Hiding, Nacrotic (Synthalscum), Bat (Warlord)
-General(FNP, if Foe Stickler About Keyword)
•Naeve Blacktalon - 120: Coalition (Stormcast), Bat (Warlord)
Battleline - 700
•2x Dark Riders - 230(115); Full Command, Bat (Regiment)
•2x Shadow Warriors - 240 (120); Full Command, Bat (Hunters)
-Hiding
•1x Dark Riders - 230; Full Command, Bat (Warlord)
-Flanking
Other - 855
•2x Khainite Shadowstalkers - 240(120): Allies (Daughters), Bat(Regiment)
-Full Command
•1x Vangaurd Hunters - 125: Coalition (Stormcast), Full Command
-Bat(Warlord)
•1x Farstriders - 90: Coalition (Stormcast)
•1x Executioners - 260: Full Command, Retinue, Bat (Hunters)
•1x Doomfire Warlocks - 140: Allies (Daughters), Bat (Regiment)
Total - 2000
-10 Drops (15 Units)
•Six Units in Battle Regiment
-Khainite Units
-Mist
-5 Man Dark Rider Squads
•4 “Deep Strikers”
-Assassin
-2x Shadow Warriors
-1x 10 Man Dark Riders
•6 Deploying Drops (Executioners before 10 Man Dark Riders)
-Battle Regiment
-Stormcast Units
-Executioners
-Shard
•6 Redeployers
-2x Khainite
-Shard
-Stormcast Units
•Battlelions
-Battle Regiment
-Warlord
-Hunters of the Wild
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If I did an alliedless version of the list:
Allegiance: Cities of Sigmar
- City: Har Kuron
- Mortal Realm: Aqshy
- Grand Strategy: Hold the Line
- Triumphs: Bloodthirsty
Assassin (80)*
- General
- Command Trait: Murderous Rite
- Artefact: Lifetaker
Sorceress (95)*
- Lore of Umbral Spite: Vitriolic Spray
Sorceress (95)*
- Lore of Umbral Spite: The Withering
Slaughter Queen (120)***
- Artefact: Traitor's Banner
- Universal Prayer Scripture: Curse
10 x Dark Riders (230)**
- Reinforced x 1
10 x Dark Riders (230)**
- Reinforced x 1
10 x Shadow Warriors (120)*
10 x Shadow Warriors (120)*
10 x Shadow Warriors (120)20 x Darkshards (230)***
- Reinforced x 1
20 x Executioners (260)**
- Reinforced x 1
9 x Khainite Shadowstalkers (120)***
9 x Khainite Shadowstalkers (120)***1x Emerald Lifeswarm (60)
Total 2000:
*Warlord
**Hunters of the Heartlands
***Battle Regiment
ArtefactDrops 10
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Unless you cannot add/use allies. You can.
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Somewhat? It goes semi-against the themed. And because of my adhd any units with size requirements for abilities, I tend to skip over
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Allegiance: Cities of Sigmar
- City: Har Kuron
- Mortal Realm: Aqshy
- Grand Strategy: Hold the Line
- Triumphs: Bloodthirsty
Assassin (80)***
- General
- Command Trait: Murderous Rite
- Artefact: Lifetaker
Sorceress (95)*
- Lore of Umbral Spite: Vitriolic Spray
Sorceress (95)*
- Lore of Umbral Spite: The Withering
Hag Queen (105)*
- Artefact: Traitor's Banner
- Universal Prayer Scripture: Curse
Lotann, Warden of the Soul Ledgers(75)****
- Allies
10 x Dark Riders (230)**
- Reinforced x 1
10 x Dark Riders (230)**
- Reinforced x 1
10 x Shadow Warriors (120)***
10 x Shadow Warriors (120)***
10 x Shadow Warriors (120)***
20 x Executioners (260)**
- Reinforced x 1
9 x Khainite Shadowstalkers (120)****
9 x Khainite Shadowstalkers (120)****
10 x Namarti Reavers (115)****
- Allies
10 x Namarti Reavers (115)****
- Allies
*Command Entourage - Magnificent
**Hunters of the Heartlands
***Vanguard
****Battle Regiment
Artefact
Total: 2000 / 2000
Reinforced Units: 3 / 4
Allies: 305 / 400
Wounds: 153
Drops: 11
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This list was designed as Shadowblade.Army might post some conversions soon but am primary goal here is an army that isn’t gonna be garbage from word go.
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Hal Kuron can include the allies allowed by cities of sigmar right? The new AoS apps appears to say the nay
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Somewhat to ask, in AoS. Given unlike 40k combat is always alternating. 5 man units like say tree revavent(spelling). I’ve seen several lists take them MSU. My instinctual reaction is “this sounds like a terrible idea”. Because theh wre melee only and even if they charge. They are likely dead. Before they even get to swing. Is that a reasonable fear?
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But the raw doesn’t state adjuncts require to be CoS just part of your army?
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So guys dumb questions: can allies be adjuncts & retinues?
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Well just the AoS App if you click a sylvaneth warscroll lists the spell as one they can access/use @Popisdead And was surprised sense Azyr, the Warscroll on the Site and so on did NOT have said spell on their warscroll. So Seeing it on the new app warscroll confused me greatly
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so working on CoS Living City list. And looking at new app. Do Sylaventh wizards innately have the abilitt to summon wyldwoods?
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So going threw the app I am enjoying it. One thing bothers me I can no longer look up “Shadowblade” or other subfactions
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So hopefully it comes to ios soon.
Edit nust dropped after I posted
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For me personally; I have bad case of adhd. I have trouble sitting snd doing something. If I do want to paint; I want to sit down and paint. If nothing is preprimed well you see how this goes. And I personally dislike painting and if I wanted to hobby I’d rather be building models
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19 hours ago, Popisdead said:
It sounds like you are also weighing in VERY heavily stressing the point "bretonnia is gone and i'm triple mad about it." I feel for ya, I've lost a lot of my Wood Elves but I've found units to proxy/counts-as them. So far there isn't anything in my collection I cannot or have not used as something themed.
If I owned a Bretonnian army I would buy Flesh Eaters Court, find out which models were close and convert them up with some ghoul heads and arms.
If you don't want to do that buy Cities of Sigmar and figure out what works there.
There are lots of people who've played Warhammer Fantasy for years/decades and have been through the ups and downs and made it work.
I’ve kinda tried to NOT be doing Bretonnia. Its why my list is Shadowblade themed. And Bretonnia being here or there is not something matters to me. Like ultimately if I wanted Bretonnia, I’d play Bretonnia. What I want is bejng able to play my heroes and not feel awful*.
And it seems verdict here is that non-monster heroes are terrible**. But are themselves not bad units. Because they provide strong support elements. And add abilities to the game that is lacking otherwise.
Issue I posted this thread is the Monster Heroes, not Foot Heroes, but monsters like X character on X Monster Mount or literal monsters who are heroes. Just seems better than non monster hero equivalents. To point I was “why not just take this big character monster?” Like the small/non monsters characters felt like they do nothing. They have paltry and weak number of attacks. Their command abilities often are just weaker than the big monsters. And like yeah an 80 point Assassin might not be actively terrible. But that 80 point Assassin could be a Scourge Chariot which actively does something.
I do feel this thread proved to me its not the system its me being bias/oddlt specific circumstances which is the issue here.
*I do want to stress this I am not angry Bretonnia was gone. I have my models, I have legend rukes and okd world is comjng and my larger issue always been the lack of cavalry/knight models to make more bretonnins and cavalry heroes. Both within last year AoS has provided (Luminith Cavalry and Legends). Both models and rulewise for conversions wnd for cavalry character in cities.
**As a unit they do actively nothing. A Freeguild footwalking general does nothing. He makes other units do great/better things. So terrible is there to unit own capabibility to do things
The "mortals redesign" Discussion
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I mean I did! Or atleasy thought DOK Shadowstalker Units meant transition to a DOK army. Honestly not even truly upset (a little frustrated) I am just infinitely amused, because like GW has removed my armies from the Fantasy/AOS or legality like 5 times now. There is a joke at my store any faction I choose in AoS doomed to get squatted.