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2 hours ago, Captaniser said:
Just a thought I had while looking at the god specific warbands that have been released so far for warcry, Nurgle's is more of a mobile skirmisher and Tzeentch's is slow and tanky. Not quite what those armies are known for, and i like how they showcase different ways to interact with the god alligned units and fulfill different gamplay niches, but it does make me wonder what could be in store for Khorne and Slaanesh? An army of rangers for Khorne and something slow and tanky for Slaanesh too?
It could be that Khorne consists of sexy buff men and women in a loincloth, whereas Slaanesh consists of buff sexy men and women in a loincloth!
(edit: I think both factions will look great and will be very distinct because the design team is great, but mostly naked sexy people are in both of their portfolios)
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3 hours ago, willange said:
That’s fine, but how often would you reasonably expect each faction to be updated then? Seems like most armies would average to once every 4-5 years
I think it's bad that the last armies only have half a year of play with a battletome written for that edition. This is a problem of GW's own making.
I'd say a battletome in the first two years of the edition, and extra models (more than just another infantry hero that didn't make the cut before) in the next four Warscroll in box and downloadable, plus books that give extra options without being a requirement to play the original battletome if you want. Yes four, a three year edition rotation is nonsense.
Note that I don't play AoS because of a few different reasons, and book depreciation speed is a significant part of that.
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1 hour ago, willange said:
I don’t actually have any issues with the 1 hero plus book approach. Especially because they so often use it to bring us plastic versions of resin heroes. The fact that we’ve had several decent sized Army updates already in this edition (sylvaneth, nighthaunt, slaves, stormcast, kruleboyz, sons of behemat), I’m actually feeling good about what we’ve gotten since third edition. I mean, i wouldn’t mind having more, but I’m really not sad about this at all. Yes, there are armies that still could use updates, but I’m confident most if not all those updates will come in time.
I don't care about rules and don't buy infantry heroes, so a book+ hero is no release for me.
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Hi and welcome!
I love me some orcs, I don't have many GW ones, just the Black Orcs, Kommando's and a few swamp orcs, but I love their style
Not sure if you're looking for ideas, but I like how Aeons does Ork skin, grabbing random greens every time. You could do that cheaper by always mixing your greens. There's a lot of skin in Savage Orruks!
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26 minutes ago, Popisdead said:
At least 4 years; not 5 or 6. I think a good option would be push out the books fast, and then let the game sit for a year or two with new GBH/misssions changing how the game is played. Although that's probably a fairly unreasonable idea as well.
IIRC 8th edition Fantasy was 6 years long, I waited 5 years, to get Wood Elves (after waiting 14 years for 6th ed WE), they weren't done well, and then 4 ish months later End Times started and a year later the game was changed to AoS. Then I had to wait a few years for CoS to use my Wanderers reasonably.
I agree you want the battletomes out early in the edition. So if it's 6 years and all battletomes are done in the first three, you have at least three years of play with a battletome actually made for the edition.
The rest can be extra models and or campaign books, but it's weard that people accept playing most of the game with a ruleset only partly compatible with itself.
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2 hours ago, Baron Klatz said:
Not the main rules, Thondia is just the GHB stuff + Anvil of Apotheosis and Narrative add-ons. You could totally ignore it or see it as a big Narrative expansion to the GHB.
(Really hope we see a Gallet version next year I can grab too)
Only the Everchosen and the Broken Realms series changed rules up but that was for factions which were a mix of edition change foreshadowing(Chaos sub-factions, Ghur roaming beasts & Coalitions) and alternative updates as was the case for Lumineth where either getting the BR:Teclis or 2nd battletome would have you good to go.
Ah, I did not know that. I haven't been well in the loop in 3rd.
For the "main book" I did mean "battletome", I'll edit. I don't think series like Broken Realms should be a requirement to play with the rules in the existing battletome. That's what errata are for. This is not saying they can't add extra options, but they should not invalidate existing options.
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18 hours ago, Popisdead said:
This seems more a venting thread than reasons your gaming group would lose interest in a game. The latter tends to be, significant shifts (Fantasy -> AoS), something shiny catches the eye (say Bolt Action after the movie Fury was released), aging out (mortgages are important to pay), covid/inflation (you did touch on this), people move. And it appears like you are holding a company responsible for the state of the world at the moment.
1) This may be one of the first times someone complained about the AoS release schedule. I recall the flip side where after 7th or 8th ed was release (HE vs Skaven) there was nothing for 3/4 of a year. What does Quality of Life have to do with a company releasing products. Generally when people start to complain about releases or how GW does stuff they have been in the hobby about 10-15 years and are moving into the next phase of their life. Consider looking inwards at why people are feeling this. Are people getting married and moving on? Not sure why you would complain about supply demand as strictly a GW issue. Have you been aware of the pandemic since March 2020? You can always order a book and wait for it to show up.
2) if you are interested in an army, buy it or don't. Don't rely on YT reviews to make your decision for you. That's a WAAC move. If making sure you only buy an army on release day based on knowing what someone else thinks of it, maybe this is the wrong hobby for you.
3) if you don't like a campaign book is someone demanding you use it? You are upset GW is releasing more options for people who play the game often? Why do people behave like that? "omg gw released a planet strike style of play and i don't like it so i don't want GW to do this"... "paywall" is also a key factor in people who are aging out of the game being their priority. Consider finding some way to make peace with your hobby.
4) terrain is the one thing that's perfectly fine. there is a generic set of rules to apply to whatever. The guy i play locally has all non-GW cheaper pre-fab terrain and since GW provided the rules it's never been an issue. "oh this has this keyword and does this. great"
5) so a few people are complaining about something online. I guess that's how people form their belief systems and facts.
6) is this an underworlds rant or AoS rant? or just GW rant?
7) is this a streaming service rant or AoS Rant? or just a GW rant?
8 ) Is this a blog rant or AoS Rant or GW rant? If you are complaining your local group lost interest in a group how does complaining about streaming, other games, websites relate? Well it's stuff you are finding to not like.
9) well FB is dumb (i'm still surprised people go there) and if you are going to FB to play your AoS games I see why the group lost interest.
I was reading a thread on dakka where people were complaining the mods here shut down negativity too fast.
Here is how I play AoS. I have some friends who play it. I have some models i've painted and I like. I have the army book and rulebook. I write a list and arrange a game and play and have fun. The people who don't do this tend to have struggles with how a game evolves over the years.
I'm quickly going to address this from my (not OP's) point of view.
1) This is not the first time the release schedule comes up, I have read it quite a few times, and I had issues with it as well.
2) An important thing in an army is how it plays, and whether that intention is realised in the rules. This has nothing to do with WAAC. I do agree that the look and feel of an army is more important than its rules, but then I stopped using the AoS ruleset.
3) I'm not sure, but I think campaign books overwrote rules in the existing battletomes, which means you'd have to buy it to keep playing the same army. If not, it's all good.
4) It would be nice if terrain was more consistent in availability and rule support. Quite a few things have had rules for only a short time before they were removed.
5) Old World teasing could very well put people out of diving into AoS, especially with its denser ruleset in 3.
6) I agree this isn't that much of a point, especially the "why is this set cheaper than the hilariously overpriced Infantry hero" bit.
7) This is a "GW isn't doing much to hype up AoS on their steaming service" bit. And that's important. 40k lives on lore and hype, so if GW ignores lore and hype for AoS, that's not helping the influx of new players.
8 ) Agreed here.
9) Partly agree. FB still has quite a few users, and for some games it's a good way to speak with the writers (Frostgrave, Stargrave, Rangers especially). Still not something GW can fix.
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47 minutes ago, Lord Krungharr said:
Oh man, those are fantastic! Would be super fun if Blood Bowl teams could be allied warbands or something.
Two of them could fall in with Squig riders (those riding the bouncy balls), though with some work, I think you can put a few more of them on squigs.
You could also use them to double a box of Stabbas/Shootas or Fanatics.
Or just use them as a nice painting project to give away to kids.
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On 11/20/2022 at 12:56 AM, Lord Krungharr said:
Oh they should definitely revive the pump wagon and doomdivers! If the 2nd hand Rockguts and Dankhold Boss are still at my FLGS on Monday, I think I'll pick them up. But with news of the Gitz tome, I fear they may have sold this weekend already 😛
New wolves look pretty slick. I know I like all the Troggs for brute force and they'll probably at worst stay how they are, but I expect them to get more help from heroes/auras or something too. And we know to get the Gitz up to the 50% win rate they'll be getting some buffs!?!?
For pump wagons, the Snotling Blood Bowl team is brilliant and has two of them.
I don't even see it as a Blood Bowl team per sé, just a designer making characterful snotlings and BB was the only logical place to put them.
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2 hours ago, Sonnenspeer said:
I have read several times in this forum, that GW does not support AoS enough etc.
For me, I have the feeling, GW is releasing too much stuff. I always find myself in the situation that I like this new army, and that box is great and I'm also waiting for the next teased release. But I'm only able to to paint like what, maybe 10 models a month, buying a big box means I cant justify to buy anything for the next half a year. I'm constantly in the place of skipping products I really like or the danger of creating a big pile of shame. Often I cant decide to by anything at all (decision paralysis).
And I don't need new rules every half a year (looking at you GHB).
It can both be too much and not enough.
With the short lifecycle of an edition, some armies only get a battletome after over two years that fully fits that edition.
That army is not getting support.
On the other hand, there are yearly GHB's, campaign books that impact multiple armies and a whole new edition every three years, which feels overwhelming and leads to rules bloat.
That could be seen as too much support, but I'd describe it as too many requirements.
I don't care about the rules part of the game, and model-wise, it has been a very slow edition. I really don't care about infantry-sized heroes (I think they are WAY overpriced), which leaves only the swamp orcs, Stormcast and two boxes of Sylvaneth in the entire edition so far.
EDIT: I have purchased one rulebook per game of AoS I have played. That's not a brilliant score.
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6 hours ago, Siphon said:
A song of ice and fire minis are much better for Frostgrave. They fit the theme much better, with House Stark and Rangers factions. I wouldn’t think AOS minis would be all that great for Frostgrave but to each their own.
I do not have soiaf minis, but my goblin warband (Zarbag's with a small addition), Tzeench warband (based on Eyes of the Nine with a few extras) and Freeguild warband are chosen quite often when I bring them all.
Plus you need quite a few monsters.
I myself prefer the Frostgrave minis, mostly for their variety.
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AoS models are quite popular for Frostgrave.
Most of this is about the game, not the models.
I don't like GW's games but they can make good models.
The only issue with that is that 2022 does not have a lot of new ones.
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I think the mushroom hats would make for an excellent sculpting practice, I made quite a few small ones and found it easy.
For the wings, Nurgle is Larry's counterpart, perhaps bloatfly or Mortarion wings?
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31 minutes ago, Gitzdee said:
I didnt know what Myconid were so i did a quick search. I really like some of the designs. But i wondered if they dont crawl into Orruk territory in a way as being a fungus type creature. They could coexist in the same universe i guess :P.
Fungus Leshy is another term that gives nice mushroom people.
The Veiled Lady would make a nice Larry:
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13 hours ago, Vasshpit said:
Hey y'all. Id like to get some opinions on an army proxy idea that I've been sitting on awhile. I want to make a forest troggoth counts as Sylvaneth army and now that kurnoth hunters can be battline I've really been considering pulling the trigger on this one. So here's what I've come up with so far.
Generel:
Forest trogg hag on khameleon-krusha
(Counts as Alarielle) plan to use a mirebrute trogg on a maw-krusha. Hagify the mirebrute, cut wings off krusha and give the head a more chameleon like appearance. Im not yet sure how to do the wings on the hag like Alarielle.
X6 forest (rockgut) troggs with bows.
(Counts as kurnoth with bows
X3 forest troggs with 2 handed mauls.
(Counts as kurnoth with scythe
X3 forest troggs with greatswords.
(Counts as kurnoth with greatswords)
X20 myconid (mushroom folk)
Counts as dryad
2000 points on the dot.
Heres a couple of quick sketches of ideas.
Think this could work? Would you play against it?
This looks brilliant, and I would if I played!
Trolls have a good tie to forests, so that works well in theme for me. It's just that their Trolldomur manifests a bit differently (Trolldomur, or Troll-doings, is a term for magic in (iirc) old Norse).
Perhaps "Larry's" wings could be branches with leaves?
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Double time between editions.
Either halve (or less) mortal wound output, or give everything a mortal wound save.
Shooting in melee must be harder.
Single turn charges across the whole field should not be possible.
Shooting through cover must be harder.
Halve cost of battletomes.
Make infantry heroes more survivable.
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6 hours ago, Gitzdee said:
I am wondering how much information u give your opponent in a game of AoS. I tend to go over all my units quickly and explain some special or army wide rules. How do u all go about this? Do u give a quick overview or an in depth explanation? What is expected as good sportsmanship?
I am asking because i had a game where it took almost an hour explaining everything in depth and i felt like i was wasting precious time but didnt want to be rude so i just listened/explained.
I printed all warscrolls and showed the Regiment batallion and Freeguild faction stuff in one of my few games. Didn't stop that player from marching his Keepers straight into a lot of overwatch fire and complaining.
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It looks a lot better with terrain
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Oh, and if you can't get anyone to play, Both Frostgrave and Stargrave have solo campaigns, and Rangers of Shadowdeep is even built for that.
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I'd use a different system with the same models. Something like Onepage rules or Oathmark.
If there's a new edition that fixes all your grievances, your models are ready for it. AoS is a great setting, and most models are great as well.
I agree the first few seasons of Underworlds warbands were great value, but this has been rectified. I no longer recommend them to new painters because they value infantry heroes way too much (that single khemist just isn't worth that).
Many of the issues you have with AoS won't be solved if you switch to 40k, and most armies would need a lot of time, money and effort investment to try.
Though the Nundam and knight battleboxes looks tasty.
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2 hours ago, peasant said:
Hi! My 2nd month in a row, I was not able to complete my 10 minis pledge. So I Will adjust my pretensions, here they are:
1 bloodletter
1 tzaangor
1 imperial fist
1 auric hearthguard
0/1 skarbrand! ( Idk if Will be able...)
Good luck fellow painters !
I'm not sure if you did, Nameless One, but you need not feel bad for not completing something that's your hobby! That just means you can enjoy your minis for longer.
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This month I focus on painting decorations for the family.
They get fancy nativity scenes/christmas goblins/santas, and I don't have to bother storing it.
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Finished halloween ornament
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Before I go along with Christmas, I first want to do some Halloween stuff.
This is a study on how Greenstuffworld's Liquid Frost works on models. I want to portray negative body heat, that's why the frost is applied from the inside out.
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The Rumour Thread
in Age of Sigmar Discussions
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That does sneak up on Ogres and Gnoblars, but they could just lean into that.