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I feel you on this. I did a pretty decent amount of games trying to win with stormkeep patrol. I did win some but when im up against a player who i played before i always lost the match. This is a problem with skyborne aswell. Once you know whats coming you can do something about it. But with skyborne you have the power to set up for the double. With patrol you set yourself up for a double against you. This is whats hurting me in my local meta. Because often i did find myself with no characters in range for the battleshock pass. And libbies underperform greatly without the lord castellant buff. Our local tournament got canceld but we got this big dutch tournament coming on the 27th. I wanted to go stormkeep but i feel i just cannot compeet. Not even with the 9 longstrike/30 liberator build. That felt the most succes version i tryed. 20 juds was decent but lacked damage and range in the end. But after the FAQ our local players trying some lower point games to have some fun because its pretty sad that the local seraphon, idoneth and dok players are walk over you this ez.
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17 minutes ago, Marcvs said:
hammers is not the worst of choices if you go big on liberators. the problem is to still have heroes alive for when you need to use the CA
yeah true, i remember when i used to play a lord celestant with staunch defender a lot. Its the nr-1 target that gets shot.
hammers and libbies. Super sweet when you get that 5+ off but in the meta where i play there is just to much point click delete 5/8 wound character at range.
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15 hours ago, Mark Williams said:
Vandus’ ca only works on hammers of sigmar doesn’t it?
you can only take vandus with hammers of sigmar
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18 hours ago, Lucur said:
If i'm not mistaken (big if :P) vindicators CA can be used once, Vandus' can be used several times. Look, i'm not saying it's optimal, it's just the best use i got for the man
true but lets say protectors you run 10/15 with them.. And charge them head on into a unit. 9/10 times when i did this for the last 100 matches or so the starsoul maces did most of that job. those extra hits felt oke and yeah i used CV +CP al the time because i could do it but never felt the need of giving these protectors more attacks. Cannot really think of 1 game i played where this matterd. Cause starsoul maces.. On decimators its even worse because even against hordes i always felt they underperformed. 40mm bases and terrein and screens. This units is 9/10 times just a protective meatshield for my 10 protecters and trying to keep people from objectives instead of killing power.
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16 minutes ago, Lucur said:
Because battlescribe is an official, licensed product and has never contained any mistakes...
I dream of Vandus in the skyborne slayers...
Why? you can give +1 attack with celestial vindicators aswel and +1 attack on the decimators or protectors isnt that big of a deal. Its decent but not going to spike that damage.
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Mm interesting 🧐. I think you re right in this. Feels wierd still. The more i think about it the more wierd it is. But after the faq from yesterday anything can happen😅. Would be nice if gw gives is some real clarity about this
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Rip staunch runelord my gosh. Felt good playing it while i could.
But damn dissapointed about waiting the whole month and hyped up with these meta watch stuff only to see no point changes.
25 minutes ago, jhamslam said:Im gonna write to them asking wtf is the point of COS in Stormcast if they cant be affected by anything.
Like ok 2 battleshock immune abilities? yay?
This 100%
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dudeeeees i came to visit this part of the forum today to read about salty ex-high elf tears and enjoy the whining for a bit.....but so much positive vibes coming from you lumi guys im shocked... I love it.
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39 minutes ago, Marcvs said:
From my experience with the skyborne slayers list, this seems a bit extreme, unless you only count going 4-1 or 5-0 as "success". For that, I still have to see any SCE list other than the 1-drop vanguard.
Sure, some armies will just obliterate 120 wounds very quickly, but with some smart placing (tagging the corner of units) even just blocking them in their deployment, a situation like: your turn 1 -> their turn 1 -> their turn 2 (your 120 wounds are dead) -> your turn 2 -> your turn 3 can lead to victory (after going through those 120 wounds there's still 60-80 more holding objectives). More importantly, and this is the reason why I wanted to try this style, armies based on shooting and magic will only have their own turns to do damage so, for instance, I had a lot of success against lumineth: those 30 mortal wounds per turn would have been a disaster for an elite build (and they outrange even raptors), but with this build it was no big deal, and they have no teleport or flying. Another appeal was to be hero-agnostic: I am tired to imagine strategies which only work in the unlikely event of keeping those 5/6 wounds heroes alive for more than 1 turn.
The biggest problem are unwinnable battleplans (like the ones that pjetski mentioned). On that I have no answer other than thinking: hey, this is better than losing 2 Stardrakes in one turn 100% from mortal wounds.
im still trying differant lists every week. But most of the people i play just nuke these 2x30 or 1x30 liberators. The closest games i had right now is stormkeep patrol on an objective and try to hold it of and not alpha striking. But i cannot help but hate that i feel like taking 9 longstrikes to even give my liberators a chance.. I love lib bombs but if i cannot take wizard or other mortal wound spam dudes out quickly these games are over before i can hit turn 3. Most games where over when i got double turn against me. Where i skyborne slayers it doenst matter because i can keep stuff of the board. In stormkeep patrol im already engaged closely turn 1 and open for a double turn against me. This is the biggest weakness i fase most of the games.
We do however got a lot of potential with this battalion if we get any buffs in a new sce book or aos 3.0. Immagine liberators being stronger baseline then stormkeep patrol can finely do them justice. 40mm bases have to mean something because right now its just preventing me from getting enough attacks through to hurt people.
Fasing a katakros bonereaper list tonight. with my 30 libs/9 longstrikes. -
18 minutes ago, PJetski said:
Stormkeep/Scions split is an interesting concept. I look forward to seeing how they expand upon it in the 3rd edition battletome... though I know I will ultimately be disappointed yet again.
I'm starting to think that the 2017 battletome with those wonky stormhost battalions and Aetherstrike was actually the best time to play Stormcast.
Always when i read trough this old battletome i miss it so badly, yes it was wonky at best but in recent times it would make for some fun playz. That harbringer chamber concept was something i loved deeply. Today it would be good but not as opressive how it used to be because today people have insane tricks and damage aswell.
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3 hours ago, Marcvs said:
Ok, waiting for the Broken realms FAQ and winter points, this is my take on the stormkeep liberators spam. I wonder whether going 3 drops is worth it, or if I should go down to 2 and take Astral Templars (or no stormhost and cunning strategist on a veritant general), because of course outdropping the opponent is close to necessary in this army
Allegiance: Stormcast Eternals
- Stormhost: Hammers of Sigmar
Lord-Veritant (110)
- Artefact: Mirrorshield
- Prayer: Divine Light
Lord-Veritant (110)
- Artefact: God-forged Blade
- Prayer: Bolster Faith
Runelord (90)
- General- Command trait: Cunning Strategist
- Prayer: Translocation- Artefact: Spellshield
30 x Liberators (480)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 6x Grandhammers
30 x Liberators (480)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 6x Grandhammers
5 x Judicators (140)
- Skybolt Bows
- 1x Shockbolt Bows
5 x Liberators (90)
- Warhammer & Shield
- 1x Grandhammers
6 x Gryph-Hounds (120)
6 x Gryph-Hounds (120)
Stormkeep Patrol (130)
Stormkeep Patrol (130)
Total: 2000 / 2000
Extra Command Points: 2
Allies: 0 / 400
Wounds: 193I would drop the judicators and switch them for 5 libs and take the triump. I love this list but i cannot seem to win with it. If you play it let me know how it went.
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1 minute ago, Marcvs said:
You could avoid taking staunch (after all, not many units in that list will really benefit from it), and keep the astral templars command trait on the ordinator to have the ballistas block move 6" pre-game. In addition to their movement, this gives 27" threat range for the multishot. Still not sure how to play objectives with that list
didnt think of this but i do like it.
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14 minutes ago, Nizrah said:
The sad moment is becouse I picked SCE because I finally wanted to have army that was loved by GW. ( I played csm in 40k so...) HOW WRONG I WAS...
i feel you, i played bretonnia since 5th al the way up to 8th. It was an uphill battle every time. The one thing i had going for me on tournaments is that i was the only bretonnia player at our tournament scene and most people never played them so made mistakes where i could play into. But damn the love was zero i got from GW. Now with SCE i really hope we dont get another chamber and sigmar model or other bullsjit. I just want our book the be more balanced around the differant chambers. Fix the battalions and make battalions worth investing into. Stay strong to the theme of the chambers and let specific characters buff chamber units. Then we got a book with a lot of options with a lot of themes going on. With this book there is put zero effort into the oldschool models/battalions and the newer battalions and sacrosant units dont really work well together or getting outclassed by other stuff. Morathi book was a start but damn i still have to win my first game with a stormkeep patrol battalion.. 0-9 atm using differant tactics. Even my stormkeep garrisson did better.
We got so much potential for a new book i just hope our new book is more about internal fixing then bringing out more stuff-
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12 minutes ago, PJetski said:
Ballistae or Gunhaulers? Why not both?
Stormkeep - Astral Templars
Steam Tank with Commander - Staunch Defender, Mirror Shield
Steam Tank with Commander
Lord-Ordinator
Knight-Azyros3x5 Liberators
1x3 Gyrocopter
3x1 Grundstok Gunhauler
4x1 Celestar Ballista1980/2000
15 units (3 COS), 390/400 ally points
Cool theme, but the first problem i see is not being able to put these ballista in the sky really hurts them. Almost to the point of not taking them.
But love the theme;)
And its possible that the staunch trick is going to be in the FAQ. I hope it wont but its possible -
2 minutes ago, Marcvs said:
The good thing of the gunhauler is that it offers both incredible mobility and some damage. It is of course surpassed in both aspects by other options, like ballistas for damage or Shadowstalkers for threatening objectives but I still agree that it's a very efficient package.
Beyond the problems with screening and mobility, ballistas really suffer from losing the ordinator to the usual suspects which are good at hero sniping -considering that he might even be without lookout sir depending on where you have to drop the ballistas group- which makes them even more swingy + with the defensive eels having unrendable 2+ even clearing screens isn't really a done deal
have to agree on this. Not sure if the incoming pointchange would matter at this point. We really need an overhaul.
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The gunhauler is good but doenst have the -2 rend. In an army where you can deepstrike ballista's at short range i dont feel like you need the gunhauler. That gunhauler is super good in tempest eye, Kharadron overlords but for Sce the ballista is way more deadly. -2 rend is everything these days
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With a luckstone he feels decent, but without it.....ohw boi i cannot tell you how many times that special shot hit because i cannot remember it ever did.
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4 hours ago, CommissarRotke said:
skyborne slayers is another battalion Stormcast have, and taking allies (Gunhaulers) is also viable substitution. he was offering you other advice on replacements in your existing army, not saying to play Kharadron. you posted a basic Sacrosanct list that no longer works well because of power creep and changing meta--so you were given advice based on these things for tournament play.
oke but to advice playing a whole other battalion with a lot of differant units in it is a bit wierd. Its like playing another army because none of the poster his units are on the skyborne slayers format. And i dont believe skyborne slayers would beat giants that easy. Dok can be done but is not easy.
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10 hours ago, SchleuderMann2 said:
I think it is an nice list, which has some potential. However it is Stormcast, so I guess nobody can expect it to do well against the new top tier armies
Nice write up! and i do really like your list!. The game against sons was pretty much over when you faced them off in that senario. And dont worry i couldnt beat them with my skyborne slayers list on that senario even if i rolled well with 20 protectors. Super tough so dont feel to bad about losing that one.
Morathi is hard but i feel like with your list you got some nice tricks aswell. The one thing you suffer is not going to choise who goes first against that list. If im right your higher drops and he alpha shoots most stuff of the table turn 1 where in your turn 1 your got this filthy morathi on your lines. Trust me when you play that list with your list a few times you might beat his ass;)
Lord relictors: i love and hate this character. Love it when i make those 3+ and he teleports al over the map and heals, debuffs of shoot stuff off. But damn i got many games he did nothing so in my competative games i take a lord vexillor just for that ones per game treat.
Thank you for the write up i loved reading it.-
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can we atleast get another stormcast hero please its been a while
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7 minutes ago, Doko said:
I really dont know,but i see maaaaaaany tournament list that arent stormcast and bring one as ally one mage stormcast and the stormcast endless spell.
So i guess you can use fyreslayer endless spells also even if you arent a fyreslayer army
yeah i think you can use the fyreslayer invocations.
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Alpha strike you can prevent when you take screens. Right now i see a lot of lists that dont bother taking screens. That means alpha strike lists play well into these lists.
I come from 5th edition whfb and i can tell you.. Balance was horrible there. Deamons where though but dont get me started on Elves. GW has always something with making Elf units really good. in 6/7 and 8th if i remember correctly Elfs where domination our local clubs. That always strikes first was horrible to play against. I played and played against them and even Elf into Elf was kind of sad. Right now i do feel the powercreep a little when i see newer units getting easy acces to ranged mortal wound output. For me thats the most horrible part of the game because i like the combat stuff. But with the double turn still in play i can do some stuff against it and over the years i learned to play with less netlists and more lists that favor my playstyle. Even with a weaker army i manage to do well. Sometimes the gamble on the double turn and sometimes to place screens so that if i get a double turn against me it wont hit me that hard. At my local game group most players that came from whfb love the balance of age of sigmar because we feel more balance now then we felt back in those days and the double turn is not something we hate. Games are hardly over at turn2/3 ( sometimes yes against heavy magic/shooting when you get double turned the game can be over very quick) but most of the times the games are close till turn 5. I try to ignore our experience from aos -1 because that was horrible and summons dominated everywhere.
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On 9/30/2020 at 11:51 PM, Forehead said:
Having had a few games with the old list i've made some amendments to my list:
Leaders:
Runesone on MD (priest, 5+ FNP and Morrdas Eye prayer)
Runesmiter (Morrdas resurrection prayer)
Battlesmith
Thundrik
Brokk Grunggson
Lord Veritant w/ pooch (Morrdas embrace prayer)
Units:
Vulkites x 10 battleline with picks
HG Beserkers x 10 with poleaxes
Arkanaut co x 10
Arkanaut co x 10
Thundriks dudes
6 endrinriggers, one skyhook and 5 with rivet guns and saws
Gunhauler with cannon
Other:
Fyrewall
Zhaggron flamespitter
Extra command point
2000
Strategy castle build as before with the fyreslayers all together near the middle. 1 Arkanaut unit on each side, one with thundrik and his mates and the other with veritant and the dog. Magmadroth can go where he wants but needs to avoid being smashed by something silly, other than that he's very survivable with the fyrewall and battlesmith occasionally falling in range. The gunhauler, brokk and the endrinriggers sit in range of thundrik for his RR ones buff. I drop the runesmiter and HGB last just behind the vulkites as this really messes with opponents deployment as they expect the alpha strike.
The list further confuses opponents as the HGBs reputation makes people fear them, even in a blob of 10. The fyreslayers infanty havent been the part that dishes out the damage though. Brokk flying high with the gunhauler and riggers is terrifying with the reroll and the plus 1 to charge from the skyhook. I dont typically use this first turn as everything is too compact and i want to hit the valuable things so for the first couple of turns i will stay where i am or edge forward to get the ArCo on the objectives for their buff using the flamespitter to do a few mortals but little else. When they're a bit more stetched out then i start moving forward and drop brokk and the shock troops on one of the flanks, the riggers die to a stiff breeze but dish out horrendous damage with their saws, also dont shoot the unit you want to charge after flying high otherwise your charge roll needs to be higher.
Typically i wait to be charged in more cases than i do the charge.
Its all going quite well but with only one dispell i know a magic heavy build will rinse the small heroes on this army.
Sorry for the long write up, i hope this helps
Super cool list.
Im still trying to make Lethis work. Nice to see you have some succes! if you have any more insights please do share. I like it alot -
49 minutes ago, Greybeard86 said:
Sometimes, less is more. For example, I am currently painting blood pass miners and they are simple yet I like them a lot, very effective design in my book. As the poster above me says, those brets seem a tad too much for me.
Yeah i feel like this aswel. Its not that i hate every non GW model but these are way to much for me i ques.
not the most populair oppinion it seems.
Ive seen some of these lost kingdom lizardmen in IRL and they just didnt do it for me. Where others loved it. I know some of the models from GW are over the top aswel but not in the way these models are. But im glad others like them.-
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not the most populair oppinion it seems. 
Skyborne Slayers - The Thread
in Stormcast Eternals
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yeah, at first i thought YES this is what i wished for. But then i looked more closely at the new stormkeep rules and damn. So much missed potential again.